Thumbpulling is effective to laterally expand the maxilla.

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These pictures are July-August 2025.
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As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
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Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881View attachment 4828880
As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
ngas will do anything but get a palate exp
 
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Age between the pics?
 
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Stupid logic, same as the "just get trimax" retards

a palate expander costs thousands
its like 2k and free under 15 years old in europe
 
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thumbpulling isnt the same as an orthodontic palate expander
 
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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881
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As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
make a tutorial so i can cope
 
Does premaxilla pushing work?
 
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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881
View attachment 4828877
As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
nigga u js grew up
 
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I want to believe in you but are you sure you measured both measurements correctly with the same method? 2.5mm sounds good enough and it isn't that big to be unbelievable but isn't that big either, so a bad measurement as a reason can also back it up.
Also there were theories that short bursts are better instead of long ones (same with bonesmashing, although it only gives you swells) but 90s an hour is enough truly? Then the hard part is really the consistency and reminders I guess, I'll look into it and maybe try it out on myself, but for now I think it's still cope :feelscry:
 
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I want to believe in you but are you sure you measured both measurements correctly with the same method? 2.5mm sounds good enough and it isn't that big to be unbelievable but isn't that big either, so a bad measurement as a reason can also back it up.
Also there were theories that short bursts are better instead of long ones (same with bonesmashing, although it only gives you swells) but 90s an hour is enough truly? Then the hard part is really the consistency and reminders I guess, I'll look into it and maybe try it out on myself, but for now I think it's still cope :feelscry:
you can do 20m a day, thatd be enough
i measured by paper bite method average
 
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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881
View attachment 4828877
As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
One of jester pastels sheep
 
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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881
View attachment 4828877
As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
Mirin, thanks for tag
 
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“Thumbpulling ascended me ascension”
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wow now everyone is agreeing on thumbpulling

I have seen this forum's sentiments go complete circle
 
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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881
View attachment 4828877
As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
holy shit, verdam people change btw
 
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@Verdam

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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881
View attachment 4828877
As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
i take it you followed oscar patels guide or was this based off of ur own hypothesis?
 
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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881
View attachment 4828877
As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
 
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i take it you followed oscar patels guide or was this based off of ur own hypothesis?
obviously myself + @lateralustool on tiktok has a good breakdown on GLI1+ cell activation
 
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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881
View attachment 4828877
As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
Can I wear a retainer while expanding or will it make progress impossible?
 
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These pictures are July-August 2025.
View attachment 4828881
View attachment 4828877
As you can see my FWHR is horrendous and my zygomatic projection is utter shit.
Used to have to spray xylometazoline/oxymetazoline just to breathe thrice a day.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 34mm;
IMW: 39mm.
I'd give myself LLTN on those pictures.
View attachment 4828882View attachment 4828884
View attachment 4828885
Undoubtedly look better. Greater zygomatic projection. Breathing is on point.
Around February-March 2026.
Distance between 2nd premolars: 36.5mm (+2.5mm);
IMW: 41mm (+2mm).
Simple, the midpalatal suture has shown to be easily ruptured in fully closed shut scenarios at 86N. Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23377077/
In a younger person that threshold is much lower, and thumbs can easily exert such force.
It is likely often, short bursts of pulling would be more effective to maintain width and widen the maxilla.

My routine was 1.5 minutes every hour, back, middle, front of the maxilla for 30 seconds each. If you often notice yourself to have a stuffy nose, you'll feel it clearing up midpull.

I barely followed this routine because I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm pretty sure your results would be way better if you were to be more consistent. Don't take pauses like I did (like November-December 2025), the osteoid takes time to calcify and become actual bone.
I also suggest upping the time if you're capable of it. Don't be aggressive, consistency is key.

I also happen to notice expansion in the pterygoid region may aid very well. To do so, locate triangle shaped bone behind the last molars. They'll be in the beginning of the soft palatal region. Pull them apart for 30sec as a beginner and mote if you wish to.
@Orka @foidletslayer @Grilldaddy❤️ @MouthBreathingElite @looks>books
mirin
 
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