TIL, a significant portion of east africans have jeet and sand nigger dna due to indian and arab merchants marrying local women

[selfhatingcurrycel]

 

[Gobnull]

i'm not even reading the title

 

[selfhatingcurrycel]

 

[selfhatingcurrycel]

@Chadeep @ltnbrownacnecel @Jason Voorhees @haryanvi_incel @unstable

 

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i hate these graphs
0.6 indian is quite high ngl.

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when is this time period?

 

[selfhatingcurrycel]

i hate these graphs
0.6 indian is quite high ngl.

when is this time period?

16th to 18th Century mostly , there was also significant indian immigration to east africa during colonisation of india

 

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16th to 18th Century mostly , there was also significant indian immigration to east africa during colonisation of india

mirin indian bvlls

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

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>"Significant Portion of East Africans"
> Its just a few coastal Swahili groups
>The jeet ancestry is mostly from jeetas anyways

 

[selfhatingcurrycel]

>"Significant Portion of East Africans"
> Its just a few coastal Swahili groups
>The jeet ancestry is mostly female mediated

there's plenty of jeet dna in both africa and the carribean , jeets bred black women

 

[unstable]

>"Significant Portion of East Africans"
> Its just a few coastal Swahili groups
>The jeet ancestry is mostly from jeetas anyways

what the fuck would jeetas be doing in africa?
jeets were traders.
the man has given a source you didn't do that.

 

[Centurion Hunter]

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East Africans(Ethiopians) speak languages related to arabs n others
Guess how that came about
It theorized that most likely the ancestors of semites+egyptians+hause simply dominated all the other groups after the sahara turned into a desert

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

there's plenty of jeet dna in both africa and the carribean , jeets bred black women

Not really, anytime jeets and non jeets co-exist in one location. There is always a male sex bias towards the non jeets and female bias towards jeetas. Those black slave descendants in India are a good example of it

 

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East Africans(Ethiopians) speak languages related to arabs n others
Guess how that came about
It theorized that most likely the ancestors of semites+egyptians+hause simply dominated all the other groups after the sahara turned into a desert

afro-asiatic languages probably originated in nile river area and spread throughout east and north africa.
the afro-asiatic branch that went to asia became semites.

semites came back and imposed their languages on others and drove all their languages to extinction.

cushitic, berberids all destroyed

 

[Centurion Hunter]

afro-asiatic languages probably originated in nile river area and spread throughout east and north africa.
the afro-asiatic branch that went to asia became semites.

semites came back and imposed their languages on others and drove all their languages to extinction.

cushitic, berberids all destroyed

Then how would the hausa and other people in the sahel be explained considering the sahara was closed for large scale migration unless they migrated there before it got desertified fully

 

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Not really, anytime jeets and non jeets co-exist in one location. There is always a male sex bias towards the non jeets and female bias towards jeetas. Those black slave descendants in India are a good example of it
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1. mtdna can be spread from father to daughter too unlike ydna
2. siddis are indian descendants of slaves who were considered to be above natives by the sultanates so they'll definitely have female bias not proving much.

 

[unstable]

Then how would the hausa and other people in the sahel be explained considering the sahara was closed for large scale migration unless they migrated there before it got desertified fully

hmm maybe ethiopians and hausa are those who spoke semitic from time when semitics lived in africa.
makes more sense

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

what the fuck would jeetas be doing in africa?
jeets were traders.
the man has given a source you didn't do that.

I'm using the same source bro. There's even jeeta mitochondrial DNA found where 0 jeet Y chromosomes were identified

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

1. mtdna can be spread from father to daughter too unlike ydna
2. siddis are indian descendants of slaves who were considered to be above natives by the sultanates so they'll definitely have female bias not proving much.

1.This is coooope, mtDNA 99.999999% of the time is only passed from mom to child. Rare instances where people have inherited both exist but its extremely rare and unsual
2. Come on bro

 

[unstable]

1.This is coooope, mtDNA 99.999999% of the time is only passed from mom to child. Rare instances where people have inherited both exist but its extremely rare and unsual
2. Come on bro

1. i'll give you an example
hypothetically a arab male mates with a african female and the result is twins one male one female.
male has less social standing due to race mixing so less likely to reproduce and dies without heirs
the female child with the arab male's x chromosome goes on to pass it onto her son making it seem like the transfer was female centric.

2. siddis and habshis were above native hindus they had large female harems and were mostly males.
ambar malik even became king of an empire.

 

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I'm using the same source bro. There's even jeeta mitochondrial DNA found where 0 jeet Y chromosomes were identified

it is about whether the x chromosome was inherited from indian male or indian female as what i understand from the text below.
i may be wrong.

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

1. i'll give you an example
hypothetically a arab male mates with a african female and the result is twins one male one female.
male has less social standing due to race mixing so less likely to reproduce and dies without heirs
the female child with the arab male's x chromosome goes on to pass it onto her son making it seem like the transfer was female centric.

2. siddis and habshis were above native hindus they had large female harems and were mostly males.
ambar malik even became king of an empire.

If the male doesn't reproduce but the female does, that still would mean the gene transfer was female centric, now matter how the pattern came about. It would mean the males for some reason or another contributed less to the genepool

 

[Jager]

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BCC pill strikes again

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

it is about whether the x chromosome was inherited from indian male or indian female as what i understand from the text below.
i may be wrong.

It about how much Indian is on the average X chromosome. Because women carry the majority of X chromosomes in a population, the more Indian ancestry is on the X chromosome, the more it means that the ancestry came via jeetas. They do some fancy math to calculate it that I don't have the effort to bother looking up

 

[unstable]

If the male doesn't reproduce but the female does, that still would mean the gene transfer was female centric, now matter how the pattern came about. It would mean the males for some reason or another contributed less to the genepool

that doesn't mean east africans breeded jeetas that is what i am saying

It about how much Indian is on the average X chromosome. Because women carry the majority of X chromosomes in a population, the more Indian ancestry is on the X chromosome, the more it means that the ancestry came via jeetas. They do some fancy math to calculate it that I don't have the effort to bother looking up

no it is talking about how much of the indian x chromosome is male and how much is female.
if we compare with y chromosome then indian y chromosome will be more than indian x chromosome.

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

that doesn't mean east africans breeded jeetas that is what i am saying

no it is talking about how much of the indian x chromosome is male and how much is female.
if we compare with y chromosome then indian y chromosome will be more than indian x chromosome.

1. I never said they did, it was probably sand nogs that bred them. What I'm saying is that majority of Indian blood in those swahili people are from Jeetas

2.That isn't how it works. It is estimating what percentage of their Indian ancestors were either Jeets or Jeetas based on how much Indian ancestry is on the average X chromosome. You can't compare Y chromosome with X chromosome, because they are not equal in inheritance. You have to compare the Y chromosome with its female equivalent, mtDNA. And in doing that they identified 0 jeet Y chromosomes whereas there is at least some jeeta mtDNA found.

 

[unstable]

1. I never said they did, it was probably sand nogs that bred them. What I'm saying is that majority of Indian blood in those swahili people are from Jeetas

2.That isn't how it works. It is estimating what percentage of their Indian ancestors were either Jeets or Jeets based on how much Indian ancestry is on the average X chromosome. You can't compare Y chromosome with X chromosome, because they are not equal in inheritance. You have to compare the Y chromosome with its female equivalent, mtDNA. And in doing that they identified 0 jeet Y chromosomes whereas there is at least some jeeta mtDNA found.

1. i think i made a mistake while saying mtdna can be passed from father i confused it with x chromosome sorry for that.
2. indian mtdna= 2-4% indian ydna= 5-10%
source

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/s41586-023-05754-w_0.pdf

 

[Donquixote]

Carribbean and romani it's usually jeets who went outside

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

1. i think i made a mistake while saying mtdna can be passed from father i confused it with x chromosome sorry for that.
2. indian mtdna= 2-4% indian ydna= 5-10%
source

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/s41586-023-05754-w_0.pdf

Nigga where are you seeing that?

 

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Nigga where are you seeing that?

what bhai?

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

what bhai?

The mtDNA and Y chromosome percentage

 

[unstable]

The mtDNA and Y chromosome percentage

More than half of the DNA of many of theindividuals from coastal towns originates from primarily female ancestors from Africa,with a large proportion—and occasionally more than half—of the DNA coming fromAsian ancestors. The Asian ancestry includes components associated with Persia andIndia, with 80–90% of the Asian DNA originating from Persian men. P

bhai that image you sent earlier you made the same mistake as me in seein x chromosome and mtdna as same

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

bhai that image you sent earlier you made the same mistake as me in seein x chromosome and mtdna as same

No bhai, when I said X chromosome, I meant exactly that. That is what they used to conclude that more jeetas contributed to the genepool. Women have the majority X chromosome in a population(66%) so when you see a high amount of Indian DNA on the X chromosome, it means that the ancestry likely came disproptionately from women. MtDNA is a related albeit different way to gauge that.

Maybe I'm not explaining clearly enough. feed it into chatGPT and it will explain better

 

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No bhai, when I said X chromosome, I meant exactly that. That is what they used to conclude that more jeetas contributed to the genepool. Women have the majority X chromosome in a population(66%) so when you see a high amount of Indian DNA on the X chromosome, it means that the ancestry likely came disproptionately from women. MtDNA is a related albeit different way to gauge that.

Maybe I'm not explaining clearly enough. feed it into chatGPT and it will explain better
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this image is only about x chromosome tho
we need mtdna and ydna to find out who contributed more indian males or indian females.

More than half of the DNA of many of theindividuals from coastal towns originates from primarily female ancestors from Africa,with a large proportion—and occasionally more than half—of the DNA coming fromAsian ancestors. The Asian ancestry includes components associated with Persia andIndia, with 80–90% of the Asian DNA originating from Persian men. P

 

[SMVmaxxed #1 JIT]

hmm maybe ethiopians and hausa are those who spoke semitic from time when semitics lived in africa.
makes more sense

Mixing 2 ethnicities up

Habeshas have Semitic ancestry from Bronze Age Semite males moving to Ethiopia from Yemen

Hausa/fulani have Eurasian ancestry from 10,000 years ago no Semite ancestry

In west Africa haratins, soninke, and Songhai people have Semite ancestry

Haratins from being a black slave caste to Arabs and Songhai when Arabs would send over Berber women as rewards to Mali empire

 

[unstable]

Mixing 2 ethnicities up

Habeshas have Semitic ancestry from Bronze Age Semite males moving to Ethiopia from Yemen

Hausa/fulani have Eurasian ancestry from 10,000 years ago no Semite ancestry

In west Africa haratins, soninke, and Songhai people have Semite ancestry

Haratins from being a black slave caste to Arabs and Songhai when Arabs would send over Berber women as rewards to Mali empire

damn it i always confuse afro-asiatic and semitic
thanks for clearing it

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

this image is only about x chromosome tho
we need mtdna and ydna to find out who contributed more indian males or indian females.

More than half of the DNA of many of theindividuals from coastal towns originates from primarily female ancestors from Africa,with a large proportion—and occasionally more than half—of the DNA coming fromAsian ancestors. The Asian ancestry includes components associated with Persia andIndia, with 80–90% of the Asian DNA originating from Persian men. P

Bro the X chromosome is used to estimate sex bias in ancestry. Why do you think almost 0% of the DNA of the X chromosome has Sand nog Persian DNA? It's because it was there was a mostly male bias in favor of Persian men. See, read about it here

Beyond 2/3 and 1/3: The Complex Signatures of Sex-Biased Admixture on the X Chromosome - PubMed

Sex-biased demography, in which parameters governing migration and population size differ between females and males, has been studied through comparisons of X chromosomes, which are inherited sex-specifically, and autosomes, which are not. A common form of sex bias in humans is sex-biased...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[somalie]

>"Significant Portion of East Africans"
> Its just a few coastal Swahili groups
>The jeet ancestry is mostly from jeetas anyways

literally

less than 10% in all of east africa

afro-asiatic languages probably originated in nile river area and spread throughout east and north africa.
the afro-asiatic branch that went to asia became semites.

semites came back and imposed their languages on others and drove all their languages to extinction.

cushitic, berberids all destroyed

no native east african language has been extinct by imposition of semetic settlers.

 

[unstable]

Bro the X chromosome is used to estimate sex bias in ancestry. Why do you think almost 0% of the DNA of the X chromosome has Sand nog Persian DNA? It's because it was there was a mostly male bias in favor of Persian men. See, read about it here

Beyond 2/3 and 1/3: The Complex Signatures of Sex-Biased Admixture on the X Chromosome - PubMed

Sex-biased demography, in which parameters governing migration and population size differ between females and males, has been studied through comparisons of X chromosomes, which are inherited sex-specifically, and autosomes, which are not. A common form of sex bias in humans is sex-biased...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

if i am not wrong you are saying we can measure sex bias using x chromosome too without relying of mtdna and ydna
the article says that in a equal sex bias 2/3 of x chromosome is female and 1/3 is male although they argue this has exceptions in real world.

0-67% avg= 33.5%
33-100 avg= 66.5%

so according to this jeet admixture was equal male and equal female?

literally

less than 10% in all of east africa

no native east african language has been extinct by imposition of semetic settlers.

chadic language was spoken in ethiopia but arab semitic migrants replaced it with amharic

10% IN 3 swahili groups

 

[somalie]

chadic language was spoken in ethiopia but arab semitic migrants replaced it with amharic

10% IN 3 swahili groups

i think u mean cushitic not chadic

cushitic languages in ethiopia was replaced by semetic one (Ge'ez) but not through conquest, it was through centuries of migration. ge'ez is the mother of amharic and stuffz

same thing happened in sudan (Arabic). every other east african country is fine. u can argue cushitic/nilotic languages was imposed by the Bantus through oppression and wat not.


with the 10% of indian ancestry, its a mix of migrants during the british empire and merchants (arab,persian,indian) only on the coasts. take the somali city of Barawe for example

 

[unstable]

i think u mean cushitic not chadic

cushitic languages in ethiopia was replaced by semetic one (Ge'ez) but not through conquest, it was through centuries of migration. ge'ez is the mother of amharic and stuffz

same thing happened in sudan (Arabic). every other east african country is fine. u can argue cushitic/nilotic languages was imposed by the Bantus through oppression and wat not.


with the 10% of indian ancestry, its a mix of migrants during the british empire and merchants (arab,persian,indian) only on the coasts. take the somali city of Barawe for example

i never implied it was only through conquest.

i think op meant swahili coast by east africa.

 

[SMVmaxxed #1 JIT]

damn it i always confuse afro-asiatic and semitic
thanks for clearing it

Also Bantu men offering their daughters to foreign men isn't conquering them they're actually matriarchal similar to Jews now let's see how fair the deal is

A Bantu offering his daughter to a wealthy Persian merchant the Persian gets to have a boon wife and a few slaves while the Bantu family gets access to his wealth the Arab man children wont speak Persian or Arabic they will speak Swahili a Bantu language


The Bantus goes from being living in a hut in the Savanna to his descendants living in stone palaces built by imported Arab labor on the coast so yeah he just blacked his whole lineage

 

[somalie]

i think op meant swahili coast by east africa.

nah he meant east africa, hes a complete retard, look at dis

there's plenty of jeet dna in both africa and the carribean , jeets bred black women

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

if i am not wrong you are saying we can measure sex bias using x chromosome too without relying of mtdna and ydna
the article says that in a equal sex bias 2/3 of x chromosome is female and 1/3 is male although they argue this has exceptions in real world.

0-67% avg= 33.5%
33-100 avg= 66.5%

so according to this jeet admixture was equal male and equal female?

chadic language was spoken in ethiopia but arab semitic migrants replaced it with amharic

10% IN 3 swahili groups

It doesn't work like that. The value isn't based on how much of the X chromosomes came from men vs women. The estimate is obtained by taking into consideration the fact that women have 66% of the X chromosomes. Basically, what they did was estimate how much Indian ancestry was identified on the X chromosome and then went "Hmm so there is about X% of Indian ancestry on average on these here X chromosomes, now using the fact that women have 66% of X chromosomes in a given population, assuming our calculations are correct, it must mean that of their Indian ancestors, ~66% were female and ~33% were male"

Just look at the austosome vs X chromosome ancestry. Despite the Swahili being about 6% of Indian autosomally, Indian ancestry on their X chromosome makes up a disproportionatley huge 20-30%+, because more jeetas contributed to than jeets, just like with the African ancestry.

 

[Luquier]

High IQ blackcels ITT tbh

 

[unstable]

It doesn't work like that. The value isn't based on how much of the X chromosomes came from men vs women. The estimate is obtained by taking into consideration the fact that women have 66% of the X chromosomes. Basically, what they did was estimate how much Indian ancestry was identified on the X chromosome and then went "Hmm so there is about X% of Indian ancestry on average on these here X chromosomes, now using the fact that women have 66% of X chromosomes in a given population, assuming our calculations are correct, it must mean that of their Indian ancestors, ~66% were female and ~33% were male"

Just look at the austosome vs X chromosome ancestry. Despite the Swahili being about 6% of Indian autosomally, Indian ancestry on their X chromosome makes up a disproportionatley huge 20-30%+, because more jeetas contributed to than jeets, just like with the African ancestry.

so you are saying that they took 66% female bias into consideration already before presenting the results?
then why is there such large sex bias in natives themselves?

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

so you are saying that they took 66% female bias into consideration already before presenting the results?

Yes, the calculation for the female ancestors takes into account the fact that women hold 66% of a population's X chromosome. That fact is then used in calculating how much of the ancestry would came from the women vs men

 

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Yes, the calculation for the female ancestors takes into account the fact that women hold 66% of a population's X chromosome. That fact is then used in calculating how much of the ancestry would came from the women vs men

then why is there such large sex bias in natives themselves??

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

then why is there such large sex bias in natives themselves??

Because the men rarely contributed to that group. Likely what happened was that the natives sold or traded off some of their daughters to the Persian settlers who didn't bring any of their own women

 

[unstable]

Because the men rarely contributed to that group. Likely what happened was that the natives sold or traded off some of their daughters to the Persian settlers who didn't bring any of their own women

but this is too much for small number of persian settlers also native swahilians contribute a lot to ydna too.

 

[TheGreatWhite Cope]

but this is too much for small number of persian settlers also native swahilians contribute a lot to ydna too.

The Swahili coast were basically settlements established by Persian men, not the entirety nor even a large part of East Africa, thats why my first reply was me making fun of how much OP was overblowing it.

Some native men joined them hence Ydna, but overall it was mostly just women being traded and married off into Persian settlements.