Time to hop on?

[BR32]

I'll be 19 in a month

I have not maxxed my natty gains out

I look good, I want to be a full fledged sick cunt tho

6ft, 165, 13% bf probably

Do I hop on a calm 250 test boys, is it time?

@Psocho @Orka @Sayori @Jason Voorhees @ghost!

 

[BR32]

@aids

 

[Jason Voorhees]

All upto you brah. I think you already look good. I have been a natty lifter for almost 4 years now. Progess has slowed down considerably but I still make progress although very slow. It makes more sense for someone like me to go on roids since I've most or less maxxed my natural potential but I think you have a lot more left in the tank

 

[BR32]

All upto you brah. I think you already look good. I have been a natty lifter for almost 4 years now. Progess has slowed down considerably but I still make progress although very slow. It makes more sense for someone like me to go on roids since I've most or less maxxed my natural potential but I think you have a lot more left in the tank

I do have more in the tank I'm just an inpatient fuck and I want it now.

The long term longitudinal choice would be to wait

Oooh but that instant gratification

 

[actualunderstander]

Nah man you already got this far natty. Just go on another year bulk and gain another 10-15lbs of muscle and get to like 12% bodyfat and youll be at your max. Getting joocy from roids is tempting but you already proven you can get ripped natty and for the ladies, being roided out wont make a difference vs you gaining a year or two more of muscle building natty. The benefits of gym maxing only go so far or else the most trenned out dudes would be the peak of what women want which they arent. If you wanna roid, atleast hit your peak natty and see the results and realize you probably have quite a bit more fast natty gains to make.

 

[Psocho]

I thought you hopped way back ago
Just by viewing your post history it was often about roids

Just one question you need to tell yourself:
Do you have a stable income?

 

[BR32]

I thought you hopped way back ago
Just by viewing your post history it was often about roids

Just one question you need to tell yourself:
Do you have a stable income?

I was larping for credibility lol I been a natty

I do have stable income

 

[BR32]

Nah man you already got this far natty. Just go on another year bulk and gain another 10-15lbs of muscle and get to like 12% bodyfat and youll be at your max. Getting joocy from roids is tempting but you already proven you can get ripped natty and for the ladies, being roided out wont make a difference vs you gaining a year or two more of muscle building natty. The benefits of gym maxing only go so far or else the most trenned out dudes would be the peak of what women want which they arent. If you wanna roid, atleast hit your peak natty and see the results and realize you probably have quite a bit more fast natty gains to make.

This is the correct take, I should wait

Thank you for your input

I can def do it naturally

 

[sokco_gray_slayer]

I'll be 19 in a month

I have not maxxed my natty gains out

I look good, I want to be a full fledged sick cunt tho

6ft, 165, 13% bf probably

Do I hop on a calm 250 test boys, is it time?

@Psocho @Orka @Sayori @Jason Voorhees @ghost!

if your gonna risk your health and hop on why only 250 test??
depending on your goals there are much better PED's

 

[dragomog]

ofc bro
just 500

 

[actualunderstander]

This is the correct take, I should wait

Thank you for your input

I can def do it naturally

Try a clean bulk for a year then cut back down to being lean (not shredded, as a natty because tho it can be tempting, when not on compounds when you get shredded naturally your muscles get super flat and you look skinny in a t shirt) so like get to 11-12% bodyfat which will be enough for abs and lean face but not so lean you need to starve and lose so much glycerin storage in ur muscles. At that point, you will look ripped and jacked to the average person. Make sure you work neck and legs. Gg

 

[BR32]

if your gonna risk your health and hop on why only 250 test??
depending on your goals there are much better PED's

Because 250 test isn't a risk to my health

 

[BR32]

ofc bro
just 500

Its so tempting

 

[The peak]

I'll be 19 in a month

I have not maxxed my natty gains out

I look good, I want to be a full fledged sick cunt tho

6ft, 165, 13% bf probably

Do I hop on a calm 250 test boys, is it time?

@Psocho @Orka @Sayori @Jason Voorhees @ghost!

All upto you brah. I think you already look good. I have been a natty lifter for almost 4 years now. Progess has slowed down considerably but I still make progress although very slow. It makes more sense for someone like me to go on roids since I've most or less maxxed my natural potential but I think you have a lot more left in the tank

why does it matter if your natty gains are maxed out or not lol

 

[BR32]

@chudpiller

I need to hear from the goat

 

[BR32]

why does it matter if your natty gains are maxed out or not lol

I think on paper its better to wait cause you're gonna get additional tissue gains from androgens no matter what point you add them so if you have a bigger baseline you'll be bigger overall but I don't think it matters that much.

Might be coping.

 

[The peak]

I think on paper its better to wait cause you're gonna get additional tissue gains from androgens no matter what point you add them so if you have a bigger baseline you'll be bigger overall but I don't think it matters that much.

Might be coping.

how long have u been lifting for might be a bigger factor

progress on roids is crazy if you do it right i mean just look at niggas like lucasegolifts

 

[BR32]

how long have u been lifting for might be a bigger factor

progress on roids is crazy if you do it right i mean just look at niggas like lucasegolifts

I've been lifting seriously w lower body for like 12 months Upper like 5-6 after injury

I have years of being athletic and some past training.

I also have very good genetics

 

[The peak]

I've been lifting seriously w lower body for like 12 months Upper like 5-6 after injury

I have years of being athletic and some past training.

I also have very good genetics

Might be worth lifting natty for 1 more year ngl i would do that if i was u

 

[BR32]

Might be worth lifting natty for 1 more year ngl i would do that if i was u

Yeah thats what I should do lmfao

 

[The peak]

Yeah thats what I should do lmfao

i've been lifting for 3 years ish now inconsitanly maybe 3-4x a week and i dont really care about the gym anymore same might happen to u

i dont really think roids are worth it ngl

 

[BR32]

i've been lifting for 3 years ish now inconsitanly maybe 3-4x a week and i dont really care about the gym anymore same might happen to u

i dont really think roids are worth it ngl

I like looking good. Thats the motivation for me. Also roids will make me look insane lol.

Its really an instant gratification thing lol

 

[The peak]

I like looking good. Thats the motivation for me. Also roids will make me look insane lol.

Its really an instant gratification thing lol

true yeah I mean i only care about looking good in the gym i dont really care about the weight im lifting

but its like after the second ish year maybe 2.5 you kinda look good enough and just dont care and would rather do other stuff

 

[serraticalanterior]

I don't see why you'd wait to reach "peak natty gains," when you can reach that and beyond in just a couple months of roidmaxxing. I've been lifting myself consistently for 7 months now, I've lost 60lbs and the final bit of belly fat is going to be the death of me.

While I can tough it out and do it natty, I just don't see why you wouldn't take this opportunity (especially during puberty) to maximize test for a better physique halo and facial development. It's honestly the main reason why I plan hopping on.

Is there a benefit to getting natty gains, though? I could be making the wrong decision, but I've done my fair share in SBL and roidmaxxing to the point where I'm ready.

 

[BR32]

I don't see why you'd wait to reach "peak natty gains," when you can reach that and beyond in just a couple months of roidmaxxing. I've been lifting myself consistently for 7 months now, I've lost 60lbs and the final bit of belly fat is going to be the death of me.

While I can tough it out and do it natty, I just don't see why you wouldn't take this opportunity (especially during puberty) to maximize test for a better physique halo and facial development. It's honestly the main reason why I plan hopping on.

Is there a benefit to getting natty gains, though? I could be making the wrong decision, but I've done my fair share in SBL and roidmaxxing to the point where I'm ready.

I think theres an argument that you want to acrue as much tissue possible first and wait until progress stalls and then introduce androgens.

But I don't think its gonna cause any issues from a developmental long term progression standpoint because the myonuclei you acrue on gear don't go anywhere. Its real tissue accrual.

Fuck should I just send it tho.

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

Whatever lets you finish your bulk before surgery, because you probably wont pass the pre-treatment medical if youre on cycle.

 

[BR32]

Whatever lets you finish your bulk before surgery, because you probably wont pass the pre-treatment medical if youre on cycle.

I'm planning to run pretty low doses and I'm in really good shape.

I'm gonna go on TRT before surgery

 

[molecule8]

bulking in summer would be a mistake, but we all know natty lifting is just cope. join us and hop on or ldar

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

I'm planning to run pretty low doses and I'm in really good shape.

I'm gonna go on TRT before surgery

Is 250 really a low dose when it equates to a test level of like 1700

It is a better idea to max out natty gains before roids, but thats only if youre planning to hop off. If you are going to stay on long term its kinda irrelevant when you start tbh because your body will just re-baseline.

 

[BR32]

Is 250 really a low dose when it equates to a test level of like 1700

Its low as far as gear goes, compared to normal def not low tho lol

It is a better idea to max out natty gains before roids, but thats only if youre planning to hop off. If you are going to stay on long term its kinda irrelevant when you start tbh because your body will just re-baseline.

I have no intention to PCT off

 

[bsfh]

I'll be 19 in a month

I have not maxxed my natty gains out

I look good, I want to be a full fledged sick cunt tho

6ft, 165, 13% bf probably

Do I hop on a calm 250 test boys, is it time?

@Psocho @Orka @Sayori @Jason Voorhees @ghost!

just hop on and commit to the sickkunt lifestyle brah

i say do 300 test with sum var tho cuz 250 isnt going to do that much

 

[BR32]

@gymcelld thoughts brah?

 

[BR32]

just hop on and commit to the sickkunt lifestyle brah

i say do 300 test with sum var tho cuz 250 isnt going to do that much

300 test and var is meta ngl

Imma throw in a lil reta too

Dorianmaxxing

 

[bsfh]

300 test and var is meta ngl

Imma throw in a lil reta too

Dorianmaxxing

thats what im doing in december need to look like dodi i kinda have similar genetics too

 

[BR32]

thats what im doing in december need to look like dodi i kinda have similar genetics too

Mirin brah

The reason I want to hop on is cause I have sick cunt genes

I gotta embrace it

 

[serraticalanterior]

I think theres an argument that you want to acrue as much tissue possible first and wait until progress stalls and then introduce androgens.

But I don't think its gonna cause any issues from a developmental long term progression standpoint because the myonuclei you acrue on gear don't go anywhere. Its real tissue accrual.

Fuck should I just send it tho.

Look, if you ask me, the consensus that you need to "wait" before hopping is only meant to deter iqlets from blasting a gram of test and blowing their endo system to shit. If you know what you're doing, have the money, and roid lifting will always be superior to natural lifting.

If you're worried about physique going too crazy, you don't even have to go to the gym, because you'll still maintain/build more muscle. PCT off and keep 70% of your gains, so if you train for 4 months (24lbs muscle --> 16.8lbs muscle)

Even if you PCT off, that's STILL 8.4 months of progress assuming a natty lifter builds 2lb of muscle monthly (unlikely.) Just to get a physique halo and slay you'd prolly just have to run one 500mg cycle and cruise 200mg for as long as you want until you eventually PCT off LOL

 

[chudpiller]

@chudpiller

I need to hear from the goat

Yea hop on
for people in our generation trt is inevitable

 

[gymcelld]

@gymcelld thoughts brah?

Yes

Be safe

 

[gymcelld]

@combatingNorwooding

he should right twin?

 

[BR32]

Yea hop on
for people in our generation trt is inevitable

Thats how I feel about it tbh

Theres so many endocrine disruptors my natural T is prolly like 400 anyways JFL

 

[BR32]

Yes

Be safe

Imma do it rn

 

[gymcelld]

Imma do it rn

Bet you got a good source

 

[BR32]

Look, if you ask me, the consensus that you need to "wait" before hopping is only meant to deter iqlets from blasting a gram of test and blowing their endo system to shit. If you know what you're doing, have the money, and roid lifting will always be superior to natural lifting.

Agreed its oldhead advice

If you're worried about physique going too crazy, you don't even have to go to the gym, because you'll still maintain/build more muscle. PCT off and keep 70% of your gains, so if you train for 4 months (24lbs muscle --> 16.8lbs muscle)

MMMMMMMM tasty

 

[serraticalanterior]

Imma do it rn

get bloodwork done first

 

[BR32]

Bet you got a good source

I was lowkey planning on just buying injectables/orals off of indiamart

WWB oils are rat piss I hear

are their ancillaires and orals any good?

 

[BR32]

get bloodwork done first

100%

Got a bunch of recent bloodwork so I'll just get specific panels

 

[ghost!]

id do it but why wont u get on 500 and cycle off with a cruise

and pls dont get the indiamart injectables real test aint that cheap

orals are fine tho off it

 

[BR32]

id do it but why wont u get on 500 and cycle off with a cruise

and pls dont get the indiamart injectables real test aint that cheap

I thought indiamart injectables were pretty good, my only concern was whether my package would get siezed.

Cop off of meso or sst instead? I'm not gonna pin wwb gear

orals are fine tho off it

Do you think WWB orals are any good?

 

[ghost!]

I thought indiamart injectables were pretty good, my only concern was whether my package would get siezed.

Cop off of meso or sst instead? I'm not gonna pin wwb gear

Do you think WWB orals are any good?

i am abt to order from sst and ive heard all of their sources are good

im using odin labs cuz they dont have a minimum order with btc

 

[Zagro]

It's your choice don't be influenced by anyone on the forum because if later on something potentially goes wrong, you will blame the forum, whilst the choice was always yours to make