Tips for managing this situation

[shadow5407]

Fratelli, so che sono brutto, vecchio e ammuffito e non dovrei essere qui haha, ma potreste darmi qualche consiglio su come gestire questa situazione?

 

[vermicel]

@shadow5407 Rinoplastica per ripristinare la simmetria delle narici e ridurne l'esposizione. Probabilmente anche il dorso necessita di un intervento.

Anche la zona degli occhi necessita di un intervento piuttosto consistente.
Blefaroplastica superiore e inferiore.
Cantoplastica.
Correzione della retrazione palpebrale.
Trapianto di grasso sotto gli occhi e sulla palpebra superiore.
Qualcosa del genere ...

Iniezioni di Botox per rilassare la fronte e ridurre le rughe di espressione.
Anche se presumo che l'espressione che hai in questa foto non sia quella che hai sempre.

Trapianto di grasso per riempire il vuoto temporale.


Morph (per darti un'idea approssimativa) :

 

[shadow5407]

@shadow5407 Rinoplastica per ripristinare la simmetria delle narici e ridurne l'esposizione. Probabilmente anche il dorso necessita di un intervento.

Anche la zona degli occhi necessita di un intervento piuttosto coerente.
Blefaroplastica superiore e inferiore.
Cantoplastica.
Correzione della retrazione palpebrale.
Trapianto di grasso sotto gli occhi e sulla palpebra superiore.
Qualcosa del genere ...

Iniziazioni di Botox per rilassare la fronte e ridurre le rughe d'espressione.
Anche se presumo che l'espressione che hai in questa foto non sia quella che hai sempre.

Trapianto di grasso per riempire il vuoto temporale.


Morph (per darti un'idea approssimativa) :

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GThanks but I don't have 100k dollars for this

 

[vermicel]

GThanks but I don't have 100k dollars for this

+/- 5K€ for the eye surgeries and fat grafting at Rattinan Clinic (where several users have been to already)
2-5K€ for the rhinoplasty in Turkey. If you've never had a rhinoplasty before, pricing will lean towards the lower end of this bracket. If you've already had one, pricing will lean in the opposite direction.
Botox is really cheap. It just requires maintenance.

So, good news : it would not be as expensive as you may think.

 

[shadow5407]

+/- 5.000 € per interventi chirurgici agli occhi e trapianto di grasso presso la clinica Rattinan (dove sono già stati diversi utenti)
2.000-5.000 € per la rinoplastica in Turchia. Se non hai mai subito una rinoplastica prima, i prezzi si orienteranno verso la fascia bassa di questa fascia. Se ne hai già fatta una, i prezzi saranno nella direzione opposta.
Il Botox è davvero economico. Richiede solo manutenzione.

Quindi, una buona notizia: non sarebbe così costoso come potresti pensare.

OOk thanks and will this be able to make me ascend to chad?

 

[shadow5407]

+/- 5.000 € per interventi chirurgici agli occhi e trapianto di grasso presso la clinica Rattinan (dove sono già stati diversi utenti)
2.000-5.000 € per la rinoplastica in Turchia. Se non hai mai subito una rinoplastica prima, i prezzi si orienteranno verso la fascia bassa di questa fascia. Se ne hai già fatta una, i prezzi saranno nella direzione opposta.
Il Botox è davvero economico. Richiede solo manutenzione.

Quindi, una buona notizia: non sarebbe così costoso come potresti pensare.

This Is my nouse

 

[vermicel]

OOk thanks and will this be able to make me ascend to chad?

no
But it could/would definitely improve your looks.
The point is to correct glaring flaws (like your nose) and to restore harmony as much as reasonably possible.
I think it's worth it.

This Is my nouse

Yeah, it's quite bad (considering both this picture and the first one you have provided).
A rhinoplasty would be absolutely justified.

 

[shadow5407]

NO
Ma potrebbe/potrebbe sicuramente migliorare il tuo aspetto.
L'obiettivo è correggere i difetti evidenti (come il naso) e ripristinare l'armonia il più possibile.
Penso che ne valga la pena.


Sì, è piuttosto brutto (considerando sia questa foto che la prima che hai fornito).
Una rinoplastica sarebbe assolutamente giustificata.

Unfortunately I'm khv at 25 years old, never touched a woman, but I could never imagine that it was because I'm ugly

 

[vermicel]

There are probably many different factors that have led you to such a situation. Physical appearance may have contributed (I don't know your height, your frame, or whether you used to be fat for example).
You may find comfort in the idea that you can absolutely improve your looks through surgical means. And, once improved, your self-confidence may be restored to a point where everything else in life will become easier, dating included.
Anyway, this is a forum to discuss plastic surgery, and not for armchair psychology. So I will leave it at that.

 

[shadow5407]

Probabilmente ci sono molti fattori diversi che ti hanno portato a una situazione del genere. L'aspetto fisico potrebbe aver contribuito (non conosco la tua altezza, la tua corporatura o se eri grasso, per esempio).
Potresti trovare conforto nell'idea che puoi migliorare il tuo aspetto con la chirurgia. E, una volta migliorato, la tua autostima potrebbe essere ripristinata al punto che tutto il resto nella vita diventerà più facile, compresi gli appuntamenti.
Comunque, questo è un forum per discutere di chirurgia plastica, non per psicologi da poltrona. Quindi mi fermo qui.

LIt must also be said that aesthetically I'm not exactly a wreck but whatever.

 

[kaydd]

Unfortunately I'm khv at 25 years old, never touched a woman, but I could never imagine that it was because I'm ugly

25 years young you mean, with the procedures he mentioned you'd be back on the stage in no time, although that sounds incorrect since your a khv.


Also put on some sunscreen.

 

[jackinthebox]

would be very surprised to learn you are khv if i saw you irl (not trying to glaze or overrate, just would not expect khv)

 

[vermicel]

It must also be said that aesthetically I'm not exactly a wreck but whatever.

Based on the pictures you have provided, you currently have a below average face. As discussed earlier in the thread, surgeries could be beneficial ; they would restore an average face with no obvious flaw. There's nothing wrong with looking average (outside dating apps and social media).

You cannot look like a Chad because you lack the base for that (bone mass, angularity, harmony, coloring, striking features, health markers). You have to have realistic expectations.
To put things in perspective, please understand that a true "Chad" is very rare : the lowest Chad, 8/10 on the dot, is 1 in 4000 men. The lowest Chadlite (7/10) is 1 in 100. The lowest HTN (6/10) is 1 in 4. [N.B. I'm using the same statistical distribution as FaceIQ's, because it makes sense based on real life observations]

Now, remember your high school or college days, and ask yourself whether you would rank anywhere that level in a full classroom or in the whole school/campus.

If you are a 6 and above, you will be made aware of it by frequent unsolicited validation : people of both genders randomly complimenting you on your looks, women flirting with you on their own initiative, etc.
Anything above a 6 gives you a substantial advantage when it comes to dating. It gets your foot in the door. Social abilities, personality, status, etc., allow you to get in and stay.
You've been on this forum for more than a year and have been actively posting, so you should already know all that.

Considering your location (Italy), if you're above 1,70m (5'6), or even 1,65m (5'4) in Sicilia/Calabria/Sardinia/Apulia, then height shouldn't be too much of a problem.
If you're not fat, then your physique isn't an issue either.

At this point, you may realize that the actual reason for being khv is not your physical appearance but rather mental blocks : you are a mentalcel. Improving your looks may give you an ego boost and put you in a favorable state of mind to overcome said blocks. However, you will likely need to work on them so they don't bite you back in the ass, once the ego boost has dried down a little bit. This work is likely to be a constant struggle throughout your lifetime, and will be harder than undergoing surgeries.

If you deem my "rating" (I haven't rated you, but you get me) too harsh, feel free to post an unfrauded front profile picture, without what appeared to be forced frowning. And add a side profile for good measure.

 

[vermicel]

@shadow5407 I have just been through your post history to see if you had already shared other pictures. And I indeed found better pictures than the one you have posted in this thread.

Before I get back to your facial features, how tall are you ? You are in good physical shape, so only height could be a hindrance.

About your face : based on these new pictures, the situation is a bit better than first assessed.
- You still need to fix your nose. It's too upturned, sloped, and asymmetric.
- Your eye region would also benefit from some work. At the very least some fat grafting to the upper eyelid and to the undereyes.
- Your ears may benefit from being pinned (otoplasty). Not sure about this one, but worth mentioning.
- I can't comment on the lower third of your face, as you are beardfrauding (which is ok ; you gotta take advantage of what you have).
- Are you frowning all the time ? If not, you gotta stop making that face on pictures. It makes you look disagreeable. Combined with the large exposed nostrils, you just look pissed off. Just relax, man. If you do actually frown all the time (to attenuate eye asymmetry ?), I confirm that botox will be helpful.
- Lastly, something unrelated to plastic surgery : fix your skin. You are 25 yo, you shouldn't have acne anymore. I don't know if you're blasting gear or something (given you're a gymcel), but a healthy skin is very important. Do some research on accutane, tretinoin, GHK-Cu, etc. + resurfacing laser (if need be).

If I had to rank the above by priority and return on investment :

clearing up your skin > fixing your nose > fixing your eye region (frowning included) > fixing your ears

I think that would significantly improve your looks.
Unlike what you've said in another thread, you aren't maxxed out at all.

A couple of morphs with these new pictures, to give you a rough idea :

Depending on your height, as you may benefit from some body halo (being in good shape), that may put you in the hmtn range. Which is arguably a good place to be.

 

[shadow5407]

@shadow5407 I have just been through your post history to see if you had already shared other pictures. And I indeed found better pictures than the one you have posted in this thread.

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Before I get back to your facial features, how tall are you ? You are in good physical shape, so only height could be a hindrance.

About your face : based on these new pictures, the situation is a bit better than first assessed.
- You still need to fix your nose. It's too upturned, sloped, and asymmetric.
- Your eye region would also benefit from some work. At the very least some fat grafting to the upper eyelid and to the undereyes.
- Your ears may benefit from being pinned (otoplasty). Not sure about this one, but worth mentioning.
- I can't comment on the lower third of your face, as you are beardfrauding (which is ok ; you gotta take advantage of what you have).
- Are you frowning all the time ? If not, you gotta stop making that face on pictures. It makes you look disagreeable. Combined with the large exposed nostrils, you just look pissed off. Just relax, man. If you do actually frown all the time (to attenuate eye asymmetry ?), I confirm that botox will be helpful.
- Lastly, something unrelated to plastic surgery : fix your skin. You are 25 yo, you shouldn't have acne anymore. I don't know if you're blasting gear or something (given you're a gymcel), but a healthy skin is very important. Do some research on accutane, tretinoin, GHK-Cu, etc. + resurfacing laser (if need be).

If I had to rank the above by priority and return on investment :

clearing up your skin > fixing your nose > fixing your eye region (frowning included) > fixing your ears

I think that would significantly improve your looks.
Unlike what you've said in another thread, you aren't maxxed out at all.

A couple of morphs with these new pictures, to give you a rough idea :

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Depending on your height, as you may benefit from some body halo (being in good shape), that may put you in the hmtn range. Which is arguably a good place to be.

So how much would you give me now? Mtn? Am I average?

 

[shadow5407]

Thank you for all these explanations

 

[shadow5407]

@shadow5407 Ho appena controllato la cronologia dei tuoi post per vedere se avevi già condiviso altre foto. E in effetti ho trovato foto migliori di quella che hai pubblicato in questa discussione.

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Prima di tornare ai tuoi lineamenti, quanto sei alta? Sei in buona forma fisica, quindi solo l'altezza potrebbe essere un ostacolo.

Per quanto riguarda il tuo viso: in base a queste nuove foto, la situazione è un po' migliore di quanto inizialmente stimato.
- Devi ancora sistemare il naso. È troppo all'insù, inclinato e asimmetrico.
- Anche la zona degli occhi trarrebbe beneficio da qualche intervento. Come minimo, un innesto di grasso sulla palpebra superiore e nella zona sotto gli occhi.
- Le tue orecchie potrebbero trarre beneficio da un intervento di otoplastica. Non ne sono sicuro, ma vale la pena menzionarlo.
- Non posso commentare la parte inferiore del tuo viso, perché stai truffando la barba (il che è normale, devi sfruttare ciò che hai).
- Hai sempre la fronte aggrottata? :incerto: Se non è così, devi smettere di fare quella faccia nelle foto. Ti fa sembrare sgradevole. Insieme alle narici grandi e scoperte, sembri solo incazzato. Rilassati, amico. Se davvero hai sempre la fronte aggrottata (per attenuare l'asimmetria degli occhi?), confermo che il botox ti sarà d'aiuto.
- Infine, qualcosa che non ha nulla a che fare con la chirurgia plastica: sistema la tua pelle. Hai 25 anni, non dovresti più avere l'acne. Non so se stai esagerando con l'attrezzatura o qualcosa del genere (dato che sei una ginnasta), ma una pelle sana è molto importante. Fai qualche ricerca su isotretinoina, tretinoina, GHK-Cu, ecc. + laser resurfacing (se necessario).

Se dovessi classificare quanto sopra in base alla priorità e al ritorno sull'investimento:

purificare la pelle > sistemare il naso > sistemare la zona degli occhi (compreso il corrugamento della fronte) > sistemare le orecchie

Penso che migliorerebbe notevolmente il tuo aspetto.
A differenza di quanto hai detto in un'altra discussione, non sei affatto al massimo.

Un paio di morph con queste nuove immagini, per darvi un'idea approssimativa:

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A seconda della tua altezza, potresti trarre beneficio da un po' di "body halo" (essere in buona forma), e potresti rientrare nella fascia hmtn. Che è probabilmente una buona posizione.

Bro write me on telegram I don't follow you here because I don't have notifications. "Gio_gio44. About the first, I'm 1.73m tall and I'm from southern Italy.