Top 5 tips for getting Jacked

[boxing-cel]

1. High carb>Low carb

If you’re on a low carb diet you’re fucking yourself over. Carbs are anabolic and fuel recovery and training. Id say 100g of carbs has the same utility as 10g of protein, and that’s just in terms of anabolism, not even accounting for the other benefits of carbs. Push carbs as high as possible. This doesn’t mean eating a bunch of junk food. Rice, pasta, bread, potatoes are awesome. Keep fats low.





2. High volume>Low volume

There’s a big trend these days of pushing low volume training like HIT or Mentzer stuff. Tbh it’s fine if you can’t train hard or push yourself and you need to nail a few sets before adding in more, or if you have other priorities or are short on time. But if you want to be jacked then high volume is the way to go. The majority of bodybuilders got big off of high volume. Low volume? Like 5 lol.

Low volume is like under 8 sets per muscle group

High volume is 16 and above per muscle group

Also, you better be training 4-6x a week. None of this 3x a week bullshit lol.




3. You have to bulk

Again, there’s a huge cope where people say you shouldn’t bulk or that you can maingain or recomp lol. Nope. There is not a single guy on earth who’s jacked who got there without countless months and months in a caloric surplus. I’m not talking about a dirty bulk, but you need to be gaining pounds consistently. You can’t stay the same body weight and build an appreciable amount of muscle. Don’t dirty bulk, obviously.




4. Gear isn’t magic

I know guys who are on 2g of gear who look natty. PEDs just amplify what you have and what you’re doing. If you nail everything then yeah, it can work really well. But if you’re just fucking around you can take all the roids on earth and look natty. Use gear as an amplifier of good training, diet and recovery. Like having more workers at a construction site. They’re useless unless you give them the right instructions and materials.





5. The best PEDs:

1. Test (main driver)
2. Mast/ Primo/ EQ (e2 control, secondary anabolism)
3. Deca (joint lubrication, IGF-1 and Progesterone pathways)
4. Reta + Cagri / MOTS-C / Metformin (fat loss and cutting)

These compounds can give you a top 1% physique without anything else.

You don’t need orals, tren, MENT, DHB, SARMs or other random exotic compounds. Hell, you don’t even need GH / Insulin unless you’re trying to compete lol.

The basics work best. There is no magic roid that’ll get you super duper jacked.

 

[pio]

GH , insulin, and test will mog any cycle if you know what your doing.

 

[stelynvx]

1. High carb>Low carb

If you’re on a low carb diet you’re fucking yourself over. Carbs are anabolic and fuel recovery and training. Id say 100g of carbs has the same utility as 10g of protein, and that’s just in terms of anabolism, not even accounting for the other benefits of carbs. Push carbs as high as possible. This doesn’t mean eating a bunch of junk food. Rice, pasta, bread, potatoes are awesome. Keep fats low.





2. High volume>Low volume

There’s a big trend these days of pushing low volume training like HIT or Mentzer stuff. Tbh it’s fine if you can’t train hard or push yourself and you need to nail a few sets before adding in more, or if you have other priorities or are short on time. But if you want to be jacked then high volume is the way to go. The majority of bodybuilders got big off of high volume. Low volume? Like 5 lol.

Low volume is like under 8 sets per muscle group

High volume is 16 and above per muscle group





3. You have to bulk

Again, there’s a huge cope where people say you shouldn’t bulk or that you can maingain or recomp lol. Nope. There is not a single guy on earth who’s jacked who got there without countless months and months in a caloric surplus. I’m not talking about a dirty bulk, but you need to be gaining pounds consistently. You can’t stay the same body weight and build an appreciable amount of muscle.




4. Gear isn’t magic

I know guys who are on 2g of gear who look natty. PEDs just amplify what you have and what you’re doing. If you nail everything then yeah, it can work really well. But if you’re just fucking around you can take all the roids on earth and look natty.





5. The best PEDs:

1. Test (main driver)
2. Mast/ Primo/ EQ (e2 control, secondary anabolism)
3. Deca (joint lubrication, IGF-1 and Progesterone pathways)
4. Reta / MOTS-C / Metformin (fat loss and cutting)

These compounds can give you a top 1% physique without anything else.

You don’t need orals, tren, MENT, DHB, SARMs or other random exotic compounds. Hell, you don’t even need GH / Insulin unless you’re trying to compete lol.

The basics work best. There is no magic roid that’ll get you super duper jacked.

water but better than 90% of tiktok advice

 

[dragomog]

true low volume is ass
when i was natty and switched to it i stalled
even on cycle i stalled, switched to higher volume a couple weeks ago immidietly strenght going up

 

[boxing-cel]

GH , insulin, and test will mog any cycle if you know what your doing.

I know, but I just don’t think it’s needed and it makes things complicated and expensive

 

[Chm]

1. High carb>Low carb

If you’re on a low carb diet you’re fucking yourself over. Carbs are anabolic and fuel recovery and training. Id say 100g of carbs has the same utility as 10g of protein, and that’s just in terms of anabolism, not even accounting for the other benefits of carbs. Push carbs as high as possible. This doesn’t mean eating a bunch of junk food. Rice, pasta, bread, potatoes are awesome. Keep fats low.





2. High volume>Low volume

There’s a big trend these days of pushing low volume training like HIT or Mentzer stuff. Tbh it’s fine if you can’t train hard or push yourself and you need to nail a few sets before adding in more, or if you have other priorities or are short on time. But if you want to be jacked then high volume is the way to go. The majority of bodybuilders got big off of high volume. Low volume? Like 5 lol.

Low volume is like under 8 sets per muscle group

High volume is 16 and above per muscle group





3. You have to bulk

Again, there’s a huge cope where people say you shouldn’t bulk or that you can maingain or recomp lol. Nope. There is not a single guy on earth who’s jacked who got there without countless months and months in a caloric surplus. I’m not talking about a dirty bulk, but you need to be gaining pounds consistently. You can’t stay the same body weight and build an appreciable amount of muscle. Don’t dirty bulk, obviously.




4. Gear isn’t magic

I know guys who are on 2g of gear who look natty. PEDs just amplify what you have and what you’re doing. If you nail everything then yeah, it can work really well. But if you’re just fucking around you can take all the roids on earth and look natty. Use gear as an amplifier of good training, diet and recovery. Like having more workers at a construction site. They’re useless unless you give them the right instructions and materials.





5. The best PEDs:

1. Test (main driver)
2. Mast/ Primo/ EQ (e2 control, secondary anabolism)
3. Deca (joint lubrication, IGF-1 and Progesterone pathways)
4. Reta / MOTS-C / Metformin (fat loss and cutting)

These compounds can give you a top 1% physique without anything else.

You don’t need orals, tren, MENT, DHB, SARMs or other random exotic compounds. Hell, you don’t even need GH / Insulin unless you’re trying to compete lol.

The basics work best. There is no magic roid that’ll get you super duper jacked.

those are in fact not the best ped's but good takes otherwise

 

[boxing-cel]

water but better than 90% of tiktok advice

Water for people familiar with bodybuilding

But I know so many people on carnivore/ keto, low volume 3x a week lol and then spamming Tren and Anadrol

 

[pio]

true low volume is ass
when i was natty and switched to it i stalled
even on cycle i stalled, switched to higher volume a couple weeks ago immidietly strenght going up

Low volume will stall your progress if everything else isn't dialed in. Its a big strain on cns to be lifting really low reps especially on a high frequency split if your not sleeping and eating properly.

 

[boxing-cel]

those are in fact not the best ped's but good takes otherwise

For building dry, lean muscle mass for a normal individual, yes.

 

[stelynvx]

Water for people familiar with bodybuilding

But I know so many people on carnivore/ keto, low volume 3x a week lol and then spamming Tren and Anadrol

you'll honestly make more gains as a vegan than carnivore people now take crazy compounds but before the gymcel expansion HS kids only did mk and enclo yet made crazy gains, work ethic and focus now is so trash

 

[boxing-cel]

true low volume is ass
when i was natty and switched to it i stalled
even on cycle i stalled, switched to higher volume a couple weeks ago immidietly strenght going up

Yeah, volume is the main driver of hypertrophy

3 sets taken close to failure >>>> 1 set taken to absolute failure

 

[boxing-cel]

you'll honestly make more gains as a vegan than carnivore people now take crazy compounds but before the gymcel expansion HS kids only did mk and enclo yet made crazy gains, work ethic and focus now is so trash

If you aren’t spamming meat and rice idk why you’re on roids lol you’re just wasting your time

 

[Chm]

For building dry, lean muscle mass for a normal individual, yes.

no, you would get far more igf-1 pathway activation and joint support from a low dose gh daily like 4iu, deeca is redundant you already mentioned the best 2 inj add ons. we talked in dm ad you told me you were natural maybe 5 months ago.

 

[boxing-cel]

no, you would get far more igf-1 pathway activation and joint support from a low dose gh daily like 4iu, deeca is redundant you already mentioned the best 2 inj add ons. we talked in dm ad you told me you were natural maybe 5 months ago.

My account isn’t 5 months old, and I am natty, just super interested in this stuff.

And I know GH is better, but because it’s expensive as fuck and complicates things i just don’t think it’s needed.

 

[dragomog]

Yeah, volume is the main driver of hypertrophy

3 sets taken close to failure >>>> 1 set taken to absolute failure

i used to do 2 sets to absolute failure switched to 3 sets with 0-2 rir much better

 

[boxing-cel]

i used to do 2 sets to absolute failure switched to 3 sets with 0-2 rir much better

I think everyone has an absolute failure phase tbh which is good, teaches you to push yourself. But it can’t last forever.

 

[dragomog]

I think everyone has an absolute failure phase tbh which is good, teaches you to push yourself. But it can’t last forever.

true atleast i learned how to gauge my rir correctly. tho i did waste gains on first few weeks of cycle training like a retard

 

[boxing-cel]

true atleast i learned how to gauge my rir correctly. tho i did waste gains on first few weeks of cycle training like a retard

It’s fine lol, if you used Test E or C the first few weeks are basically kinda whatever

 

[dragomog]

It’s fine lol, if you used Test E or C the first few weeks are basically kinda whatever

prop sadly

whatever tho i fixed it recently

 

[boxing-cel]

prop sadly

whatever tho i fixed it recently

Prop on your first cycle? Prop is amazing tbh but why? Dosing 500mg or whatever must be a pain

 

[dragomog]

Prop on your first cycle? Prop is amazing tbh but why? Dosing 500mg or whatever must be a pain

140mg eod dosing isnt pain
its because i was impatient too wait for my test e to arrive from a diff vendor which takes months so i switched to a local guy who only had prop

 

[Duckmaxxer]

good thread

 

[boxing-cel]

140mg eod dosing isnt pain
its because i was impatient too wait for my test e to arrive from a diff vendor which takes months so i switched to a local guy who only had prop

Well Prop has more mg, is drier, less E2 and more DHT so good choice

 

[Chm]

My account isn’t 5 months old, and I am natty, just super interested in this stuff.

And I know GH is better, but because it’s expensive as fuck and complicates things i just don’t think it’s needed.

if you are natural you cant understand, take advice from somebody who has used androgens and hgh/igf1, convo was with somebody on discord with your pfp user LustFountain

 

[Chm]

My account isn’t 5 months old, and I am natty, just super interested in this stuff.

And I know GH is better, but because it’s expensive as fuck and complicates things i just don’t think it’s needed.

you also said 6'3 on your discord profile and 6'4 here.. jfl

but how does hgh complicate things more than 3 AAS with no gh pathway stim, 4iu would not complicate shit just help more than redlining androgens but you dont know till YOU try

 

[boxing-cel]

you also said 6'3 on your discord profile and 6'4 here.. jfl

but how does hgh complicate things more than 3 AAS with no gh pathway stim, 4iu would not complicate shit just help more than redlining androgens but you dont know till YOU try

Yeah

I’m 6’2 barefoot, and everyone rounds an inch so 6’3.

6’4 here cause I permanently wear platform shoes now.

GH complicates things for 3 main reasons:

1. Expensive as fuck
2. Needs daily dosing
3. Needs insulin/ bg management

 

[boxing-cel]

if you are natural you cant understand, take advice from somebody who has used androgens and hgh/igf1, convo was with somebody on discord with your pfp user LustFountain

I might as well have used every roid under the sun based on my countless hours of discussions with pro bodybuilders in person

 

[Chm]

Yeah

I’m 6’2 barefoot, and everyone rounds an inch so 6’3.

6’4 here cause I permanently wear platform shoes now.

GH complicates things for 3 main reasons:

1. Expensive as fuck
2. Needs daily dosing
3. Needs insulin/ bg management

1. not really expensive, I guess if you’re poor

2. If you aren’t pinning daily on cycle you can ldar all the hormonal fluctuations will cook you

3. 4iu would never impair the insulin sensitivity of a roided man if He did even just 30min cardio in the mornings or took a low dose trizep or reta

 

[boxing-cel]

1. not really expensive, I guess if you’re poor

2. If you aren’t pinning daily on cycle you can ldar all the hormonal fluctuations will cook you

3. 4iu would never impair the insulin sensitivity of a roided man if He did even just 30min cardio in the mornings or took a low dose trizep or reta

You don’t have to pin daily at all

EOD is perfectly fine

1-2x a week is also good

Most normies are skinny fat and insulin resistant

HGH is definitely more expensive than a basic cycle of Test by a large margin

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

1Blast
2Blast
3Blast
4Blast
5Blast

Hm blast

 

[Chm]

You don’t have to pin daily at all

EOD is perfectly fine

1-2x a week is also good

Most normies are skinny fat and insulin resistant

HGH is definitely more expensive than a basic cycle of Test by a large margin

1-2X/WK pins on cycle

ur talking our of your ass

 

[boxing-cel]

1-2X/WK pins on cycle

ur talking our of your ass

You can easily pin twice a week on something like say

Test E
Tren E
Mast E
Primo
Deca

 

[FoidsSnatcher]

best simpliest and high IQ post approved

 

[SlayerJonas]

Mast and primo will eviscerate your hair if you aren't using RU58841 and are horsecrap. When using topical anti-androgens, you might as well just blast tren (and mitigate the other side effects).

Deca will rape your hair as well if you are using a 5ARI. The natural conversion of deca into it's 5alpha-reduced version is much more tolerable in androgenic tissues (= skin). For joints, blasting boldenone (preferably with the cypionate ester) is much better, while being a hair-safe option and being able to control your E2 levels just by adding this one compound.

In more than 20 years of AAS use I ran some high dose EQ only cycles.
Every damn time, my scalp hair got thicker.
And in every other cycle, hair loss was much less if EQ was in te mix.
I recently found this paper:

Metabolism of boldenone in man: gas chromatographic/mass spectrometric identification of urinary excreted metabolites and determination of excretion rates
Abstract
Urinary metabolites of boldenone (androsta-1,4-dien-17 beta-ol-3-one) following oral administration of boldenone (doses from 11 to 80 mg) to man were isolated from urine via XAD-2 adsorption and enzymatic hydrolysis with beta-glucuronidase from Escherichia coli. The isolated metabolites were derivatized with N-methyl-N-trimethylsilyltri- fluoroacetamide/trimethyliodosilane and analysed by gas chromatography/mass spectrometry with electron impact (EI) ionization at 70 eV. Boldenone (I) and four metabolites were identified after hydrolysis of the urine with beta-glucuronidase: 5 beta-androst-1-en-17 beta-ol-3-one (II), 5 beta-androst-1-ene-3 alpha, 17 beta-diol (III), 5 beta-androst-1-en-3 alpha-ol-17-one (IV) and 5 beta-androst-1-en-6 beta-ol-3,17-dione (V). Five further metabolites in low concentration were identified without enzymatic hydrolysis after treatment of the urine with potassium carbonate: 5 beta-androst-1-ene-3,17-dione (VI), 5 alpha-androst-1-ene-3,17-dione (VII), androsta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione (VIII), androsta-1,4-diene-6 beta,17 beta-diol-3-one (IX) and androsta-1,4-dien-6 beta-ol-3,17-dione (X). The identification of the metabolites is based on the gas chromatography retention index, high-performance liquid chromatography retention, EI mass spectrum, chemical reactions of the isolated metabolites, and synthesis of metabolites II, III, IV, VI and VII. The EI mass spectra of the bis-trimethylsilyl derivatives of boldenone and its metabolites display all intense molecular ions, M-15 ions and fragment ions originating from cleavage of the B-ring. The excreted metabolites can be separated in basic extractable labile conjugates and in stable conjugates. More than 95% of metabolites are excreted as stable conjugates.

So, ON PAPER, the more androgenic metabolite 1-test formation Is possible
In periphetal tissues like the scalp from its prodrug 5α-androst-1-ene-3,17-dione, but that's only in very low concentrations as boldenone is a very poor substrate for 5alpha reductase.
The bulk of its metabolites in peripheral tissues are 5BETA metabolites, pretty much void of any androgenic activity, and boldenone itself Is much less androgenic than Testosterone. This might create an environment beneficial for hair growth or at least hair loss minimization.
Just food for thought.

https://ugfreak.to/blog/boldenone-and-hair-loss

5ARIs also competitively inhibit 5beta-reductase (AKR1D1) slightly, if that's your concern once you've read the first article. 5beta-reductase levels are negligible either way, however.

We show that finasteride competitively inhibits AKR1D1 with low micromolar affinity but does not act as a mechanism-based inactivator.

Inhibition of human steroid 5beta-reductase (AKR1D1) by finasteride and structure of the enzyme-inhibitor complex - PubMed

The Delta(4)-3-ketosteroid functionality is present in nearly all steroid hormones apart from estrogens. The first step in functionalization of the A-ring is mediated in humans by steroid 5alpha- or 5beta-reductase. Finasteride is a mechanism-based inactivator of 5alpha-reductase type 2 with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

GH should be in most stacks since it's more of a quality of life drug (improves REM sleep, synergy with tren and estradiol, joint and soft tissue health and much more).

 

[boxing-cel]

Mast and primo will eviscerate your hair if you aren't using RU58841 and are horsecrap. When using topical androgens, you might as well just blast tren (and mitigate the other side effects).

Deca will rape your hair as well if you are using a 5ARI. The natural conversion of deca into it's 5alpha-reduced version is much more tolerable in androgenic tissues (= skin). For joints blasting boldenone (preferably with the cypionate ester) is much better, while being a hair-safe option and being able to control your E2 levels just by adding this one compound.

https://ugfreak.to/blog/boldenone-and-hair-loss

5ARIs also competitively inhibit 5beta-reductase slightly, if that's your concern if you read the first article. 5beta-reductase levels are negligible either way, however.

Inhibition of human steroid 5beta-reductase (AKR1D1) by finasteride and structure of the enzyme-inhibitor complex - PubMed

The Delta(4)-3-ketosteroid functionality is present in nearly all steroid hormones apart from estrogens. The first step in functionalization of the A-ring is mediated in humans by steroid 5alpha- or 5beta-reductase. Finasteride is a mechanism-based inactivator of 5alpha-reductase type 2 with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

GH should be in most stacks since it's more of a quality of life drug (improves REM sleep, synergy with tren and estradiol, joint and soft tissue health and much more).

Sure, but I assume most people on roids already have a hair protocol that includes the basics like Nizoral, Minox, Derma Rolling and Dut/Fin/ RU

Deca doesn’t work with Fin, but that can be solved easily by just using RU instead

As for EQ…eh, I don’t think it’s particularly great. A lot of people tend to get anxiety from it and high hematocrit, insane hunger too. Not to say it’s bad, just not something I see used by big guys that often. Primo and then Mast are way more popular.

Tren isn’t really a good drug for mass. It’s good for body composition but almost no bodybuilder uses it to get big in the off season. Nukes your health, energy and recovery. And the purpose of this thread and drugs listed is for getting jacked which is almost entirely about building muscle.

 

[Chm]

You can easily pin twice a week on something like say

Test E
Tren E
Mast E
Primo
Deca

ik ts going way over your head but you can take MORE test and aromatize LESS if you pin more, because you avoid such peaks and troughs, so bodybuilders that value achieving their goals pin more

Look up "manipulating SHBG with injection frequency"