Traditionalism=Cope

[Trevor Philips]

What made men 50 years ago attractive was never the acquiescence of traditional family values that women would be encouraged to conform to, like enforced monogamy, arranged marriages, etc., by in large. Of course monogamy encouraged more males and females to separate some class related differences to come together, but in reality, mos what occurred back then was related to how you LOOKED. Males 50-100 years ago didn't consume as much sodium as we do on average in the west, they maintained proper diet, consumed less (even in the higher castes, and spent more time traveling or moving around. They also ate tougher foods and all. LOOKING less fat, more testosteronic and dimorphic, etc., is why males maintained healthy sexual relationships earlier on in the course of their lives. If the west never fully submitted to hyper techno-industrial society where we exchange moving around and losing weight for work that is done at a faster pace, we would have never ended up in the predicament we're in today. Women would not be as hypergamous, as their standards for a healthy male partner wouldn't have increased from an average looking lean guy to a taller, robust, and athletic 6 PSL. Women would care less about class and status altogether, and would instead care more about basic financial security and above average looks.

In short, men fifty years ago were 4.5 PSL-5.5 PSL on average. Everyone looked slightly above average to chadlite at the time, with the few exceptional chads not being as worshipped as they are now. At the same time, I would say I want society to return to this way of thinking, which I do. Moreover, I also want others to place more stocvalumy looks once I get to far above average facial aesthetics. So in many ways, the way society has turned out is good for us.

 

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[Matheus]

What made men 50 years ago attractive was never the acquiescence of traditional family values that women would be encouraged to conform to, like enforced monogamy, arranged marriages, etc., by in large. Of course monogamy encouraged more males and females to separate some class related differences to come together, but in reality, mos what occurred back then was related to how you LOOKED. Males 50-100 years ago didn't consume as much sodium as we do on average in the west, they maintained proper diet, consumed less (even in the higher castes, and spent more time traveling or moving around. They also ate tougher foods and all. LOOKING less fat, more testosteronic and dimorphic, etc., is why males maintained healthy sexual relationships earlier on in the course of their lives. If the west never fully submitted to hyper techno-industrial society where we exchange moving around and losing weight for work that is done at a faster pace, we would have never ended up in the predicament we're in today. Women would not be as hypergamous, as their standards for a healthy male partner wouldn't have increased from an average looking lean guy to a taller, robust, and athletic 6 PSL. Women would care less about class and status altogether, and would instead care more about basic financial security and above average looks.

In short, men fifty years ago were 4.5 PSL-5.5 PSL on average. Everyone looked slightly above average to chadlite at the time, with the few exceptional chads not being as worshipped as they are now. At the same time, I would say I want society to return to this way of thinking, which I do. Moreover, I also want others to place more stocvalumy looks once I get to far above average facial aesthetics. So in many ways, the way society has turned out is good for us.

Cope. Society is too liberal and allows hypergamy to run rampant + widespread low T + exposure to chads via instagram and stuff. JFL thinking everybody was at least HTN back then

 

[Trevor Philips]

Cope. Society is too liberal and allows hypergamy to run rampant + widespread low T + exposure to chads via instagram and stuff. JFL thinking everybody was at least HTN back then

So if every normie looksmaxed we wouldn't have a majority that was at least high tier normie?

 

[Matheus]

So if every normie looksmaxed we wouldn't have a majority that was at least high tier normie?

You have to looksmax quite a lot already to go up a full tier, and you think people looks maxed back then?

 

[Trevor Philips]

You have to looksmax quite a lot already to go up a full tier, and you think people looks maxed back then?

They didn't necessarily have to looksmax. Obesity rates were far lower due to more dietary restrictions and pushing of healthier lifestyles. Children were raised to exercise more and pump up their testosterone levels, etc. Looksmaxing is our way of self-correction, but lets not pretend that traditionalism didn't work because most people had already been looksmaxing since ten years old.

 

[Deleted member 2632]

Who could be behind this graycel's post?

 

[Deleted member 7866]

I agree but everyone seem to be insulting you so I'll just go with it

 

[Matheus]

They didn't necessarily have to looksmax. Obesity rates were far lower due to more dietary restrictions and pushing of healthier lifestyles. Children were raised to exercise more and pump up their testosterone levels, etc. Looksmaxing is our way of self-correction, but lets not pretend that traditionalism didn't work because most people had already been looksmaxing since ten years old.

Fair point but that doesn't make traditionalism cope

 

[Trevor Philips]

Who could be behind this graycel's post?
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I'm not even anti-traditionalist really, I'm just anti-using traditionalism to cope with the fact that people just simply looked better back then. Look at any movie, documentary, etc even from the seventies.

 

[Deleted member 2632]

I'm not even anti-traditionalist really, I'm just anti-using traditionalism to cope with the fact that people just simply looked better back then. Look at any movie, documentary, etc even from the seventies.

Yes people looked alot better because they were all a healthy weight and had alot less fat fucks scootin' around

But also movies are a poor judgement since good looking actors are always cast in films

A better look is to observe young men in the military in WWI and WWII there was still ugly men

The difference is that women werent exposed to a giant plethora of Chads on social media or dating sites, also people didnt travel as much they would marry people they went to school with so less exposure to a huge population of men to raise their standards

Also one last point is that women are more interested in attention from men than looks, as in men are visually interested in women while women crave attention and are very needy

Unfortunately today due to affirmative action and feminism women are provided for by the goverment ( men pay more taxes ) and then wlmen get all their attention craving from their phones so they no longer need an attentive boyfriend or husband

 

[Trevor Philips]

Yes people looked alot better because they were all a healthy weight and had alot less fat fucks scootin' around

But also movies are a poor judgement since good looking actors are always cast in films

A better look is to observe young men in the military in WWI and WWII there was still ugly men

The difference is that women werent exposed to a giant plethora of Chads on social media or dating sites, also people didnt travel as much they would marry people they went to school with so less exposure to a huge population of men to raise their standards

Also one last point is that women are more interested in attention from men than looks, as in men are visually interested in women while women crave attention and are very needy

Unfortunately today due to affirmative action and feminism women are provided for by the goverment ( men pay more taxes ) and then wlmen get all their attention craving from their phones so they no longer need an attentive boyfriend or husband

This could be subjective, but a lot of those men from WWII and WWI films were a lot better looking than the average obese man I see walking around today. Also yeah, women tend to be slightly less visual, but things are changing because the new average is a 3.5 PSL while the old average was a 4-5. Women are demanding more testosteronic men to overcompensate for weaker beta provider material. This also explains womens increasing interest in rape pornography.

 

[Deleted member 10524]

Everyone in old photos looks so dirty

 

[Deleted member 8765]

Yes people looked alot better because they were all a healthy weight and had alot less fat fucks scootin' around

But also movies are a poor judgement since good looking actors are always cast in films

A better look is to observe young men in the military in WWI and WWII there was still ugly men

The difference is that women werent exposed to a giant plethora of Chads on social media or dating sites, also people didnt travel as much they would marry people they went to school with so less exposure to a huge population of men to raise their standards

Also one last point is that women are more interested in attention from men than looks, as in men are visually interested in women while women crave attention and are very needy

Unfortunately today due to affirmative action and feminism women are provided for by the goverment ( men pay more taxes ) and then wlmen get all their attention craving from their phones so they no longer need an attentive boyfriend or husband

It’s fucking over HAHAHAHAHA

 

[Matheus]

This could be subjective, but a lot of those men from WWII and WWI films were a lot better looking than the average obese man I see walking around today. Also yeah, women tend to be slightly less visual, but things are changing because the new average is a 3.5 PSL while the old average was a 4-5. Women are demanding more testosteronic men to overcompensate for weaker beta provider material. This also explains womens increasing interest in rape pornography.

People were less fat back then and (very) arguably more muscular on average, but aside from that @Chadlite Rutherford has said everything we need to know. You're right though that men today are huge simps and women demand more T as compensation. Traditionialism isn't a cope though unless you're a legit subhuman

 

[Trevor Philips]

People were less fat back then and (very) arguably more muscular on average, but aside from that @Chadlite Rutherford has said everything we need to know. You're right though that men today are huge simps and women demand more T as compensation. Traditionialism isn't a cope though unless you're a legit subhuman

It's not a cope to have faith in the idea of traditionalism for the purposes of ideology or religion, definitely not. What is a cope though is your average guy thinking that just watching molyneux videos on how the west is falling because of 'muh tradition', will magically fix all of his inadequacies or shortcomings. My post is kind of a motivational post as well, as im saying that people need to spend more time looksmaxing rather than deluding themselves into thinking that living in a traditional society would solve all their problems.

 

[Matheus]

It's not a cope to have faith in the idea of traditionalism for the purposes of ideology or religion, definitely not. What is a cope though is your average guy thinking that just watching molyneux videos on how the west is falling because of 'muh tradition', will magically fix all of his inadequacies or shortcomings. My post is kind of a motivational post as well, as im saying that people need to spend more time looksmaxing rather than deluding themselves into thinking that living in a traditional society would solve all their problems.

So traditionalism is not a cope but it's a cope? Ppl here wouldn't looksmax if they could find a wife easily, which ppl did more or less back then

 

[Deleted member 2632]

It's not a cope to have faith in the idea of traditionalism for the purposes of ideology or religion, definitely not. What is a cope though is your average guy thinking that just watching molyneux videos on how the west is falling because of 'muh tradition', will magically fix all of his inadequacies or shortcomings. My post is kind of a motivational post as well, as im saying that people need to spend more time looksmaxing rather than deluding themselves into thinking that living in a traditional society would solve all their problems.

Actually it would

I am good looking and I can somewhat slay on online dating if I put the effort in and maintain low bodyfat %

But slaying is boring and not fullfiliing in the way of having a gf, and getting married and raising a family is, it is a mistake to think being gl and slaying will fullfill the gaping hole in their life, well guess what it wont

 

[Trevor Philips]

So traditionalism is not a cope but it's a cope? Ppl here wouldn't looksmax if they could find a wife easily, which ppl did more or less back then

Most of these guys who think tradition would save them would get even more brutally mogged in a society that is hyper-traditionalist. This includes higher wealth status as that is associated with better looks as well.

 

[Matheus]

Most of these guys who think tradition would save them would get even more brutally mogged in a society that is hyper-traditionalist. This includes higher wealth status as that is associated with better looks as well.

Elab, why would that be the case?

 

[Deleted member 2632]

Elab, why would that be the case?

He cannot defend it

In a traditional society men would crush women in the work force because men are far superior in the work field both office and physical labor,

women couldnt rely on the governement and affirmative action to save their asses and they would resort back to their natural roles as mothers and caregivers