TRT CLINICS HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[KingOfRome]

Testosterone propionate/testosterone phenylpropionate/testosterone isocaproate/testosterone decanoate - Wikipedia

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Sustanon 250 is administered once every 3 to 4 weeks.

Meanwhile here's me injecting 100 mgs Sustanon every 48 hours (350 mgs weekly.)

Here's if I injected the same dose every 3.5 days. (200 mgs weekly.)

Your average puffy-faced curlmonkey gymbro cooking propionate on his kitchen stove is better at regulating test levels than a man in his 50's who spent most of his life and hundreds of thousands of dollars in school, jfl.

 

[Spartacus1-]

It's not that they dont know. It just they are too lazy to care.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Don't know much about roids

But isn't the big fluctuations bad beacuse the body is always trying to reach homeostasis?
So the big fluctuations mean big fluctuations in other hormones aswell?
So the less fluctuations the less risk of side effects and overall better wellbeing?

Just a quick thought probaly for another reason yours is better

I mean yours have less fluctuations and a more stable level

 

[KingOfRome]

It's not that they dont know. It just they are too lazy to care.

If that's the case, then why not just give them the needles and vials to self-administer like any other drug?

Don't know much about roids

But isn't the big fluctuations bad beacuse the body is always trying to reach homeostasis?
So the big fluctuations mean big fluctuations in other hormones aswell?
So the less fluctuations the less risk of side effects and overall better wellbeing?

Yes, the more stable blood levels are, the fewer side effects you'll get. Going from gigachad T to soyboy truecel T in 2 weeks, then staying there for another 1-2 weeks until you get your next injection and spike back up to gigachad T, is bad for you.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Yes, the more stable blood levels are, the fewer side effects you'll get. Going from gigachad T to soyboy truecel T in 2 weeks, then staying there for another 1-2 weeks until you get your next injection and spike back up to gigachad T, is bad for you.

Makes sense

No way of getting trt similar to your fluctuations?

 

[Spartacus1-]

If that's the case, then why not just give them the needles and vials to self-administer like any other drug?

They still have to maintain a professional facade to the governmental overlords. They are stupid but not that stupid.

 

[Deleted member 3328]

Just crash your T levels theory

 

[Nosecel]

Just crash your T levels theory

Just trust a doctor bro
WHAT CAN GO WRONG?

 

[turkproducer]

i have a feeling like the medical industry hides so much shit from the normal person.

probably why to make kids grow taller they only inject HGH and never use an AI, or other shit lol

 

[KingOfRome]

Makes sense

No way of getting trt similar to your fluctuations?

You'll have to find a way to convince your doctor to give you more frequent injections. Maybe they'll let you self-administer, but I'm not sure. It also helps if you're on something like enanthate or cypionate and not Sustanon, which you're only going to get for TRT if you're in Europe anyway. But even on enanthate, you'll need to inject far more often than every 3 weeks when the half life is 5-7 days. Every 3.5 days is an absolute minimum for stable blood levels on enanthate.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

You'll have to find a way to convince your doctor to give you more frequent injections. Maybe they'll let you self-administer, but I'm not sure. It also helps if you're on something like enanthate or cypionate and not Sustanon, which you're only going to get for TRT if you're in Europe anyway. But even on enanthate, you'll need to inject far more often than every 3 weeks when the half life is 5-7 days. Every 3.5 days is an absolute minimum for stable blood levels on enanthate.

Thanks it's not for me
But my dad have been considering trt
So I will tell him this
Thx

 

[Alesund]

You'll have to find a way to convince your doctor to give you more frequent injections. Maybe they'll let you self-administer, but I'm not sure. It also helps if you're on something like enanthate or cypionate and not Sustanon, which you're only going to get for TRT if you're in Europe anyway. But even on enanthate, you'll need to inject far more often than every 3 weeks when the half life is 5-7 days. Every 3.5 days is an absolute minimum for stable blood levels on enanthate.

Since you're almost done with a cycle and have done your homework on this topic, what test would you suggest for a first cycle- Test E is the most popular from what I know and two 250mg injections per week for 4 months sounds like a good beginner cycle. What do you think would be the most optimal?

 

[KingOfRome]

Since you're almost done with a cycle and have done your homework on this topic, what test would you suggest for a first cycle- Test E is the most popular from what I know and two 250mg injections per week for 4 months sounds like a good beginner cycle. What do you think would be the most optimal?

I'm done with the cycle already and am cruising right now.

Test E is going to be a bit cheaper per milligram, and a 250 mg injection every 3.5 days will be the way to go if you don't like needles, but if you don't mind them, I think test P at 50 mg every day would be better for a beginner. You'll see results much faster, your blood levels will be more stable, and you can always up the dose to 100 mg every day if you find you don't get much side effects and want more gains out of the cycle. It also means you can opt out more easily if the side effects are intolerable.

If you go the test E route, I would recommend a 500 mg injection on the first day to get blood levels peaked faster so you don't have to wait 3-4 weeks to get the full benefits.

 

[Moggy]

ED subq Test E injections is ideal

 

[Alesund]

I'm done with the cycle already and am cruising right now.

Test E is going to be a bit cheaper per milligram, and a 250 mg injection every 3.5 days will be the way to go if you don't like needles, but if you don't mind them, I think test P at 50 mg every day would be better for a beginner. You'll see results much faster, your blood levels will be more stable, and you can always up the dose to 100 mg every day if you find you don't get much side effects and want more gains out of the cycle. It also means you can opt out more easily if the side effects are intolerable.

If you go the test E route, I would recommend a 500 mg injection on the first day to get blood levels peaked faster so you don't have to wait 3-4 weeks to get the full benefits.

Hmmm I see.I already have some experience with injecting peptides, so injecting once a day doesn't really sound like much of a hassle. What kind of results could someone expect from a 50-100mg dose of Test P/day? I already have a pretty solid base (208lb@6'2.5) but I would like to see what I would look like at 230. Also can you inject subQ or is it just IM? If so, that would be really good.

 

[BadaBing]

@KingOfRome how much money is Test if you just cruise like you do

 

[KingOfRome]

Hmmm I see.I already have some experience with injecting peptides, so injecting once a day doesn't really sound like much of a hassle. What kind of results could someone expect from a 50-100mg dose of Test P/day? I already have a pretty solid base (208lb@6'2.5) but I would like to see what I would look like at 230. Also can you inject subQ or is it just IM? If so, that would be really good.

Here.

The above was the results of people who only injected and didn't lift. Lifting tends to double the gains.


50 mgs per day would be 350 mgs per week, which might net you around 25 lbs of lean gains in 20 weeks if you lift. 100 mgs per day would be 700 mgs per week, which might get you 40 or 45 lbs in 20 weeks with lifting. Natties might scoff at this, but they don't know the power of the dark side.

 

[Alesund]

Here.

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The above was the results of people who only injected and didn't lift. Lifting tends to double the gains.


50 mgs per day would be 350 mgs per week, which might net you around 25 lbs of lean gains in 20 weeks if you lift. 100 mgs per day would be 700 mgs per week, which might get you 40 or 45 lbs in 20 weeks with lifting. Natties might scoff at this, but they don't know the power of the dark side.

That does sound pretty fucking insane, but I feel it does have huge drawbacks-like once you stop juicing, won't you lose most of your gains all while permanently lowering your natty T levels? Also, I can't imagine someone not having some nasty side effects on such high doses+ the probability of getting bunk gear is also a real thing.

 

[KingOfRome]

That does sound pretty fucking insane, but I feel it does have huge drawbacks-like once you stop juicing, won't you lose most of your gains all while permanently lowering your natty T levels? Also, I can't imagine someone not having some nasty side effects on such high doses+ the probability of getting bunk gear is also a real thing.

Testosterone is cheap. You're only going to get fake test if you are hopelessly gullible and do absolutely no background checks on your sources.

Once you stop the cycle, you will either have to do a PCT with a SERM like Nolvadex or Clomid, or you'll have to go on TRT until you're ready for your next full-fledged cycle. The latter will retain the most gains, but suppress your natural test production even more and make it even harder to recover once you finally decide to go off. Full recovery may never happen.

What side effects you get depend largely on your genetics as well as the size of your dose. It's why it would be safer to start low. You can always increase the dose mid-cycle if you find you don't get bad side effects.

 

[robtical]

How is your injecting experience

 

[KingOfRome]

How is your injecting experience

Awesome. I went on an epic bulking cycle where I injected a ton and made unbelievable strength and lean body mass gains. They came with a fair bit of fluff as well, but that's easily fixed with a cutting cycle.

 

[WannaBeA6]

lol I thought you were always natty

 

[KingOfRome]

lol I thought you were always natty

I got fed up with natty life after losing 10 (mostly lean) pounds recovering from surgery and realizing how long it would take to gain back those 10 pounds that would just disappear in clothes anyway like they always did, and diet off the fat that would inevitably come with them.

Then I found out when getting my bloodwork to get my baseline test levels for PCT, that my baseline test levels were on par with an 85-year-old man.

My only regret is not injecting sooner.

@KingOfRome how much money is Test if you just cruise like you do

Oh, sorry, I missed your post.

I'm cruising on 350 mgs of test a week (actually more of a mild blast than a cruise but YOLO). That would mean one vial of sustanon 500 costing $100 would last me about 14 weeks.

Most people cruise on 150-200 mgs of test. A $70 10 ml vial of test E at 250 mgs/ml would last 12.5 weeks if you cruised on 200 mgs a week.