Türkiye’de FME veya MSE Yapan Ortodontist

[MogEater]

Merhaba,

Türkiye’de FME veya MSE yaptıran ya da uygulayan bir doktor bilen var mı? Veya böyle bir doktoru nasıl bulabiliriz?

Bence ortodonti, looksmax alanının en önemli adımlarından biri. Forumda her büyük şehir için güvenilir bir ortodontist belirlemek çok faydalı olabilir. İlk olarak, İstanbul ve Ankara’da FME veya MSE uygulayan bir ortodontist bulabilirsek, bu alanda büyük bir adım atmış oluruz.

 

[MogEater]

Doslar, bir iki şey ekleyin; bu işi nasıl yapabiliriz, nasıl bulabiliriz?
Belki doğrudan MSE ve FME üreticilerine mail atabiliriz: Daha önce Türkiye’den sipariş geldi mi? Hangi doktorlar uyguluyor?
Veya bu konuyu bilen, yardımcı olabilecek birilerini etiketleyebilirsiniz.
Giant Liam belki yardımcı olabilir, idk.

 

[MogEater]

Sadece react atmak yerine katkıda bulunursanız, gerçekten büyük bir sorunu çözebiliriz.

 

[Menas]

Doslar, bir iki şey ekleyin; bu işi nasıl yapabiliriz, nasıl bulabiliriz?
Belki doğrudan MSE ve FME üreticilerine mail atabiliriz: Daha önce Türkiye’den sipariş geldi mi? Hangi doktorlar uyguluyor?
Veya bu konuyu bilen, yardımcı olabilecek birilerini etiketleyebilirsiniz.
Giant Liam belki yardımcı olabilir, idk.

Giant'in custom olarak benzer birsey yaptigini görmüstüm sanirim ama hala yapiyormu bilmiyorum

 

[MogEater]

Videoda taglediği doktorlar Türkiye’de değiller. Kendi doktoruma soracağım, nereden ve nasıl MSE ve FME yapan doktor bulabiliriz diye. Ethernal adlı biri vardı forumda, aklı başında kişilerden biriydi; en son palate expander kullanacaktı. Acaba onun durumu ne oldu, iletişimde olan var mı?

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

Yeditepe diş

 

[Menas]

Merhaba,

Türkiye’de FME veya MSE yaptıran ya da uygulayan bir doktor bilen var mı? Veya böyle bir doktoru nasıl bulabiliriz?

Bence ortodonti, looksmax alanının en önemli adımlarından biri. Forumda her büyük şehir için güvenilir bir ortodontist belirlemek çok faydalı olabilir. İlk olarak, İstanbul ve Ankara’da FME veya MSE uygulayan bir ortodontist bulabilirsek, bu alanda büyük bir adım atmış oluruz.

@RealSurgerymax are you doing custom mse/fme? many people on the turkish section are interested in expanders for some reason.
and also it would be good if you could tell the estimated cost too.

 

[drakenryuguji]

Videoda taglediği doktorlar Türkiye’de değiller. Kendi doktoruma soracağım, nereden ve nasıl MSE ve FME yapan doktor bulabiliriz diye. Ethernal adlı biri vardı forumda, aklı başında kişilerden biriydi; en son palate expander kullanacaktı. Acaba onun durumu ne oldu, iletişimde olan var mı?

tam diyecektim filozof kullanacaktı diye

 

[MogEater]

Yeditepe diş

mse veya fme yapiyorlar mi emin misin? ayrica hangi doktor?

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

mse veya fme yapiyorlar mi emin misin? ayrica hangi doktor?

ağa emin değilim de yeditepe dişte yoksa trnib hiçbi yerinde yoktur büyük ihtimalle mk avrupanın en kaliteli diş merkezlerinden biri

 

[MogEater]

ağa emin değilim de yeditepe dişte yoksa trnib hiçbi yerinde yoktur büyük ihtimalle mk avrupanın en kaliteli diş merkezlerinden biri

pro ortho daha once lefort III bile yapmis bu arada turkiyeye malar implant gelmis

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

pro ortho daha once lefort III bile yapmis bu arada turkiyeye malar implant gelmis

Trnin en iyisi. Arkadaşım orda okuyor. Diploması avrupada geçerli tek diş hekimliği

 

[MogEater]

knk sorsana arkadasina fme ve mse getirtmek veya burada benzerini tasarlamak mumkun mu? arkadasin baya kolay ogrenir forumdakilere kiyasla.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

@RealSurgerymax are you doing custom mse/fme? many people on the turkish section are interested in expanders for some reason.
and also it would be good if you could tell the estimated cost too.

Custom MARPE yes
about 7k usd surgical assist

 

[MogEater]

7k is trimax surgery cost in turkey btw, even less.

 

[xlegend]

Bump

 

[MogEater]

Merhaba,

Türkiye’de FME veya MSE yaptıran ya da uygulayan bir doktor bilen var mı? Veya böyle bir doktoru nasıl bulabiliriz?

Bence ortodonti, looksmax alanının en önemli adımlarından biri. Forumda her büyük şehir için güvenilir bir ortodontist belirlemek çok faydalı olabilir. İlk olarak, İstanbul ve Ankara’da FME veya MSE uygulayan bir ortodontist bulabilirsek, bu alanda büyük bir adım atmış oluruz.

way be, ne zamanlar, suan sarpe oldum, ama icimden bir ses mse daha iyi olabilcegini ve daha optimal olacagini soyluyor hala,


By the way @RealSurgerymax, all MARPEs need to be custom. MARPE aka Hyrax expanders need to be designed for your mouth and teeth structure. You are not a orthodontist. And what are your patients going to do after the gap in their teeth? MARPE is not enough, people need full orthodontic treatment before and after expanders. By the way, YOU KNOW THAT FUCKING MARPE MOSTLY DOESNT WORK, It only works with surgical assistance.
u just try to scam 7k from retards,
hate from turkiye, ankara, mamak.

I love most of your designs and some of the bimax results. You are important in the history of plastic surgery. I would really like to consult with you for my trimax in January 2026, but you clearly say you do not offer consultation services.

 

[MogEater]

@Sadist @Jonasㅤㅤ

 

[RealSurgerymax]

way be, ne zamanlar, suan sarpe oldum, ama icimden bir ses mse daha iyi olabilcegini ve daha optimal olacagini soyluyor hala,


By the way @RealSurgerymax, all MARPEs need to be custom. MARPE aka Hyrax expanders need to be designed for your mouth and teeth structure. You are not a orthodontist. And what are your patients going to do after the gap in their teeth? MARPE is not enough, people need full orthodontic treatment before and after expanders. By the way, YOU KNOW THAT FUCKING MARPE MOSTLY DOESNT WORK, It only works with surgical assistance.
u just try to scam 7k from retards,
hate from turkiye, ankara, mamak.

I love most of your designs and some of the bimax results. You are important in the history of plastic surgery. I would really like to consult with you for my trimax in January 2026, but you clearly say you do not offer consultation services.

- MARPE is not aka hyrax. Hyrax Palate Expander is dental based and doesn't work past 13-15 for boys. MARPEs are Mini Implant Assisted Palate Expanders. Mini Implants = TADs = Temporary Anchorage Devices = Screwed into the maxillary bone of the hard palate

- MSE Type II (Mass produced MARPE) had a high failure rate in adult men without surgical assist. They used to be part of my plans from 2020-2023, about 20 or so cases. You can listen to podcasts and academic presentations of numerous orthos who agree some kind of assist beyond cortipuncture needs to be done which supports my observations: high failure (wasted time and money for the patient)

- Custom MARPE with Surgical Assist has highest success+stability rate at the time of writing. It's a fact. Downside is extended treatment time & extra treatment stage (as opposed to segmental LF1)

- Yes MARPE definitely works to widen the palate and increase nasal airway and is more stable than segmented LeFort I. I don't think anyone disagrees unless they are so out of date they should be embarrassed.

- The orthodontist you choose will collaborate and close the gap over the next 6-18 months depending on this size of the diastema. Obviously I don't manage any of the braces or Invisalign myself

- 7K is nothing for surgical assist custom MARPE. Actually it's about to increase, and thats very fair. FME (mass produced, design flaws) is over 4K for the device alone while custom marpe from my service is $3.5K (less.) I dont get paid anything for the surgical assist portion because I'm not the surgeon. Getting what you pay for is never a "scam" especially when it's priced less to similar alternatives. But yea I'm rly "scamming" 7k by promoting something that makes up 1% of my work. I make basically nothing from it - designing it & coordinating with an ortho lab is not worth my time for a measly few hundred dollars I get from all that . I recommend it because because it's the best thing on the market right now, for most people, simple as that.

- Alternatively I also innovated a new, more stable 3pc LeFort 1 system which has never been publicly seen before or offered elsewhere (only Giant partner surgeons), using a modified transpalatal arch in combination with a custom LeFort 1 Plate. So I'm not rly biased.

- I don't offer consultation services for you to take my expertise, planning, or modified custom medical devices, features which I invented and own, to some cheap surgeon I don't work with to save money. My dedicated years of work and innovation are not for free or for discount. People who never worked hard or accomplished much, or have no bills to pay, have no concept of that. While people who contribute to society easily understand they wouldn't show up to work for free, or open a business giving away product at cost or even at a loss. You should have some shame & self awareness instead of entitlement. Nobody likes to be stolen from/ripped off/undercut/patent or copyright infringed. If you are not coming to Giant, I am not here to help. How is that hard to understand? Innovation should be rewarded & incentivized. Or else how about I just stop giving a fuck and stop all pursuit of improvement? I release new inventions every few months lately, who else is doing that? No one. Frankly it's not a charity unless you have syndromes or war injuries. I do free work OFTEN for babies/kids and deformed people but not for luxury looksmax surgery no one "needs." Otherwise you can go with a cheaper and inferior alternative.

Youre pretty much mistaken about everything... Sounds like youre mad your budget does not allow the latest and greatest. The most advanced, detailed, newest and highest quality of anything is unfortunately not for budget clientele. You can make a Walmart android work for you but no need to hate on the newest iPhone pro max. Just do the best you can.

 

[Serialsuicide]

Merhaba,

Türkiye’de FME veya MSE yaptıran ya da uygulayan bir doktor bilen var mı? Veya böyle bir doktoru nasıl bulabiliriz?

Bence ortodonti, looksmax alanının en önemli adımlarından biri. Forumda her büyük şehir için güvenilir bir ortodontist belirlemek çok faydalı olabilir. İlk olarak, İstanbul ve Ankara’da FME veya MSE uygulayan bir ortodontist bulabilirsek, bu alanda büyük bir adım atmış oluruz.

fme ve mse büyüme plakları açıksa olcak ama bizimkiler kapalı biz napcaz

 

[Sadist]

@Sadist @Jonasㅤㅤ

merhaba
ben şizofren
teşekür

 

[Deleted member 15866]

Yes MARPE definitely works to widen the palate and increase nasal airway and is more stable than segmented LeFort I. I don't think anyone disagrees unless they are so out of date they should be embarrassed.

Are aesthetic effects worth it if any?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Are aesthetic effects worth it if any?

They are usually minor but I have seen rare cases they were transformative

 

[MogEater]

- MARPE is not aka hyrax. Hyrax Palate Expander is dental based and doesn't work past 13-15 for boys. MARPEs are Mini Implant Assisted Palate Expanders. Mini Implants = TADs = Temporary Anchorage Devices = Screwed into the maxillary bone of the hard palate

- MSE Type II (Mass produced MARPE) had a high failure rate in adult men without surgical assist. They used to be part of my plans from 2020-2023, about 20 or so cases. You can listen to podcasts and academic presentations of numerous orthos who agree some kind of assist beyond cortipuncture needs to be done which supports my observations: high failure (wasted time and money for the patient)

- Custom MARPE with Surgical Assist has highest success+stability rate at the time of writing. It's a fact. Downside is extended treatment time & extra treatment stage (as opposed to segmental LF1)

- Yes MARPE definitely works to widen the palate and increase nasal airway and is more stable than segmented LeFort I. I don't think anyone disagrees unless they are so out of date they should be embarrassed.

- The orthodontist you choose will collaborate and close the gap over the next 6-18 months depending on this size of the diastema. Obviously I don't manage any of the braces or Invisalign myself

- 7K is nothing for surgical assist custom MARPE. Actually it's about to increase, and thats very fair. FME (mass produced, design flaws) is over 4K for the device alone while custom marpe from my service is $3.5K (less.) I dont get paid anything for the surgical assist portion because I'm not the surgeon. Getting what you pay for is never a "scam" especially when it's priced less to similar alternatives. But yea I'm rly "scamming" 7k by promoting something that makes up 1% of my work. I make basically nothing from it - designing it & coordinating with an ortho lab is not worth my time for a measly few hundred dollars I get from all that . I recommend it because because it's the best thing on the market right now, for most people, simple as that.

- Alternatively I also innovated a new, more stable 3pc LeFort 1 system which has never been publicly seen before or offered elsewhere (only Giant partner surgeons), using a modified transpalatal arch in combination with a custom LeFort 1 Plate. So I'm not rly biased.

- I don't offer consultation services for you to take my expertise, planning, or modified custom medical devices, features which I invented and own, to some cheap surgeon I don't work with to save money. My dedicated years of work and innovation are not for free or for discount. People who never worked hard or accomplished much, or have no bills to pay, have no concept of that. While people who contribute to society easily understand they wouldn't show up to work for free, or open a business giving away product at cost or even at a loss. You should have some shame & self awareness instead of entitlement. Nobody likes to be stolen from/ripped off/undercut/patent or copyright infringed. If you are not coming to Giant, I am not here to help. How is that hard to understand? Innovation should be rewarded & incentivized. Or else how about I just stop giving a fuck and stop all pursuit of improvement? I release new inventions every few months lately, who else is doing that? No one. Frankly it's not a charity unless you have syndromes or war injuries. I do free work OFTEN for babies/kids and deformed people but not for luxury looksmax surgery no one "needs." Otherwise you can go with a cheaper and inferior alternative.

Youre pretty much mistaken about everything... Sounds like youre mad your budget does not allow the latest and greatest. The most advanced, detailed, newest and highest quality of anything is unfortunately not for budget clientele. You can make a Walmart android work for you but no need to hate on the newest iPhone pro max. Just do the best you can.

First of all, I was originally keeping my process private for a BotB thread, but for this, I’m going to show a bit of it.

This is my maxilla I’m currently undergoing SARPE (Surgically Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion), which, as you’ve said, is the best way to expand the maxilla in adults. I’m using a custom Hyrax expander with surgical assistance.

It’s the same method you recommended. There are no TADs in my case because the maxilla has already been surgically split. That said, I kind of wish I had gone with SARPE plus TADs, because I feel that using just a Hyrax expander with surgery might not give as much forward/depth expansion of the maxilla compared to something like MSE, even though MSE has its own risks and limitations.

My orthodontist used to do MSE in adults, but recently he’s been switching more toward SARPE because of the higher success rate.

I think there’s been a misunderstanding in terminology between us. When I say MARPE, I’m referring to expansion methods using only a Hyrax or other dental-anchored expanders. But when I say SARPE, I mean an expander used with a surgical cut through the maxilla. Just wanted to make sure we’re on the same page.

As for cost — of course it varies depending on the country and setup. For example, I paid $600 USD for a custom Hyrax expander with surgical assistance. I also paid $2,000 USD for 2 years of orthodontic treatment, and I chose a premium option: Empower 2 hybrid braces from the U.S.

Yes, my budget is limited — I try to perfect every part of myself, so I want to choose the most optimal approach, not necessarily the most expensive one.

My orthodontist and his surgeon regularly perform bimaxillary surgeries, sometimes weekly. But to be honest, I’m not fully confident in the surgeon, since he’s a plastic surgeon — similar to Burak Ercin.

Still, my ortho uses custom surgical guides and titanium plates, just like you mentioned.

So that brings me to the main question: Why should I choose a more expensive option that’s far from where I live, when I’m already getting similar procedures and tech locally?

I do appreciate and admire your results and your passion — I really do. But honestly, I’m not looking to spend an extra $20–40k plus travel and all the other expenses for something I can get closer and cheaper.

And on a personal note — we don’t really know each other. You don’t know how hard I work, and I don’t know much about you either, just what I see online under your “giant” persona. So I can’t make assumptions about your personal life, and I hope you won’t make them about mine either.

 

[MogEater]

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