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Andrew91 said:
Newton s law of motion is over 2 centuries old yet we still learn about it in schools .
Anyways i cant edit it to add a more recent study sadly , the only thing i fucked up is the semen retention graph tbh and mods wont answer my request for an edit:feelsrope:

True i specified it in the thread e is important and if your bloodwork shows it s dangerously low then you shouldnt follow this guide and seek medical advice .


You re right good body and oral posture is important even for hormones to a certain degree, but there isnt much research on it , also cant edit the thread anymore .
But thats a law with hundreds of new studies supporting it not just one 100 yrs old idea my guy
 
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This is a guide based on scientific papers , my personal experience and threads by other users i will credit at the end of this thread .

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-THIS EASY TO READ GUIDE WILL HELP YOU IMPROVE :
T , DHT and DHEA LEVELS , ANDROGEN RECEPTORS , INSULIN SENSITIVITY , ENERGY LEVELS , OVERALL YOUR HORMONAL BALANCE AND POSSIBLY LONGEVITY.
(IT S USEFUL ESPECIALLY IF YOU RE GOING THROUGH PUBERTY SO YOU CAN GROW TO YOUR FULL POTENTIAL NATURALLY)

-IT WILL ALSO HELP YOU REDUCE:
ESTROGEN LEVELS (MAINLY PROLACTIN AND ESTRADIOL ) AND THEIR RECEPTORS, CORTISOL ( THE STRESS HORMONE). (if you have no sign of high e levels or you did bloodwork and your e levels are extremely low than skip the part where i explain how to lower it , as normal e levels are important for growth , libido and strength, however for men who live in the west these hormones are at an all time high on average ) .

THIS THREAD WILL COVER 3 MAIN TOPICS :

1) MOST POTENT LIFESTYLE CHANGES ( water is wet topic but if you skip it it s over )

2) DIET , MICRONUTRIENTS/SUPPLEMENTS and WHAT TO AVOID

3) MICRONUTRIENTS/SUPPLEMENTS TO FIGHT E AND C , AROMATASE INHIBITORS .

quick introduction to those hormones for everyone except doctorcels :
Testosterone ( T ) : we all know what that is and what it does
Dht : it s the APEX androgen hormone in men , testosterone is the precursor of this hormone so
low T levels = low DHT.

Testosterone is converted to DHT via the 5-alpha reductase (5-AR) enzyme in the body. Although testosterone is a major contributor to circulating DHT, DHT can also be created from other precursors, such as DHEA, androstenedione, androsterone, 17-hydroxypregnenolone and 17-hydroxyprogesterone.
DHT has 4x times higher affinity to AR ( androgen receptors ) than T does.
Dhea :
is one of the most abundant circulating steroids found in humans. 75–90% of DHEA is synthesized in the adrenal gland (the zona reticularis to be specific) with the remainder being produced by the testes, skin and brain. DHEA is made from cholesterol and its production is stimulated by ACTH and cAMP, both of which can promote the production of cortisol as well.

When the body is not under stress most of the DHEA is converted to other androgens and its sulfated form, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS), but when the body is stressed, it’s converted to estrogens.
Estradiol : it is the primary sex hormone of childbearing women. It is formed from developing ovarian follicles. Estradiol is responsible for female characteristics and sexual functioning.
Estradiol function in men when levels are in the "normal" range : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26908066/

Prolactin : High prolactin can be embarrassing as it manifests in a few physical symptoms, such as poofy nipples and/or gyno, low libido, erectile dysfunction and mood disorders.


Enough introduction let s get straight to the point:


1) 1. SEDENTARY LIFESTYLE KILLS YOUR T LEVELS
Have you ever wondered why the generations coming out of the last century had higher T levels on average compared to today's men ?

SIMPLE BECAUSE THEY DIDNT SIT ALL DAY BROWSING THE INTERNET , WATCHING MOVIES OR WASTING TIME , THEY HAD NO CARS TOO SO THEY HAD TO WALK A LOT OR USE THE BICYLE , THEY ALSO HAD TO DO MANUAL LABOUR SINCE KIDS . Working out on compound movements and limiting your time spent sitting is the best thing you could do to improve a.receptors and T .
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2. SLEEP
Improving your sleeping habits is one of the quickest and most immediate ways to amplify your Testosterone Production. Don't watch television or play on your laptop in bed. At night your room should be a place dedicated to relaxation and sleep. When it's bedtime make sure that your room is as dark as possible.

We've all heard of the Circadian Rhythm, but you may not realize that the Circadian Rhythm controls far more than your sleeping patterns. Your body produces the highest levels of Testosterone while you are deep in sleep.
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here you can see T level difference throught the day between sedentary males and athletes . Not only do athletes have higher T but as you can see peak T production happens during sleep , deep sleep to be precise .

3. GET OUT IN THE SUN
The key to how sunlight is one of the best test boosters is its connection to Vitamin D. In numerous studies, Vitamin D is linked to increased production level of testosterone.That’s also why foods rich in Vitamin D are also considered natural testosterone boosters .
Other side benefits of Vitamin D, in addition to being a testosterone booster, are that it is integral in helping the body to absorb calcium ( that means it significantly helps to strengthen bones), and it has also been shown to boost your body’s immune system and other body functions.

This study suggests that sun exposure on chest /back increases T levels up to 120% , but when sun exposure is on the testicles T levels increase by 200%

4. SEMEN RETENTION

Although sexual arousal has been shown to actually boost testosterone levels , ejaculation is different , after each ejaculation your prolactin levels skyrocket and frequent ejaculations have been linked to lower androgen receptors especially in the brain
Sexual behavior reduces hypothalamic androgen receptor immunoreactivity: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12689608/
Research indicates that prolactin increases following orgasm are involved in a feedback loop that serves to decrease arousal through inhibitory central dopaminergic and probably peripheral processes .
On the seventh of semen retention day studies show an increase in T
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Ideally you want to ejaculate every 8-9 days without watching porn. Masturbation or sexual intercourse alone will only rise T levels .


2) DIET LOW IN REFINED SUGAR AND HIGH IN ANIMAL PROTEIN , MUFA AND S.FATS , COMPLEX CARBS AND VEGETABLES AND FRUITS IS IDEAL.

Abrupt decrease in serum testosterone levels after an oral glucose load in men: implications for screening for hypogonadism https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22804876/ sugar decreases t by over 25%

Cholesterol was the boogeyman of the health industry for many decades. But it is actually a vital component for hormone production, meaning testosterone and estrogen, and you need to eat fat in order to get the cholesterol necessary to maintain your testosterone. Men who get less than 20 percent of their dietary needs from fats have been found to have consistently lower testosterone levels.

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Saturated fats increase androgen receptors and enhance androgen binding strength : Polyunsaturated fats inhibit the binding of androgens to androgen receptors and lower androgen receptor expression.
However keto diet is not ideal , keep your carbs up .


2.SUPPLEMENTS/FOODS TO INCREASE ANDROGEN RECEPTORS

-WIN MORE Perhaps easier said than done, but winning more in anything you do increases brain androgen receptors https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4213638/

-EGGS :
-Capsaicin, the hot component of chili peppers, increases androgen receptor expression :
-Magnesium
is a potent calcium antagonist by removing intracellular calcium. Too much intracellular calcium, induced by inflammation, excitatory amino acids, EMF, radiation, shock, stress, low CO2, excess nitric oxide and carbon monoxide, etc., degrades the androgen receptors.

-Fish heads contain the thyroid and thyroid hormones, specifically T3, which up-regulate androgen receptors, and down-regulate estrogen receptors .

-Caffeine promotes mental effectiveness, well-being, increases testosterone, DHT, inhibits the aromatase and increases androgen receptors.

-L-carnitine , L-tartare

-Selenium
boosts thyroid hormone conversion, which increases androgen receptors.

-Oysters are very high in zinc. A zinc deficiency significantly increases estrogen receptors and decreases androgen receptors ( it s better to obtain zinc naturally than from supplement )https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/126/4/842/4724266


-Glycine is a component of androgen receptors. Bone Broth contains a big amount of it .

-Fasting for a small period ( around 8-10 hours)

-Forskolin
3. SUPPLEMENTS/FOODS TO INCREASE T , DHT , DHEA ( the ones i mentioned before also have effects on these hormones)

-Ashwagandha – Taking 300mg of the KSM-66 extract of Ashwagandha twice daily increased DHEA-S by 18% after 8 weeks. It also boosts T and lowers C (stress)
-Vitamin C
-Eat organic foods
-Keep inflammation low , Chronic inflammation is one of the most destructive things to health, androgens and longevity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4443794/#R5
-Vitamin B5 Vitamin B5 increases the adrenal sensitivity to ACTH, which will increase DHEA production.
-Creatine supplementation is shown to increase DHT significantly by 56% (after 7 days of creatine loading in rugby players), while testosterone levels were not affected . https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19741313/
-Nicotine boosts DHT by inhibiting the enzyme, 3α-HSD . Gums or patches are advised and not smoking.
-Oxytocin is able to increase 5-alpha reductase . Vitamin C is able to increase oxytocin levels .
-Vitamin A
-Red Wine and red onion
-Curcumin
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Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors)

4.FOODS / NUTRIENTS TO AVOID

  • Soy (genistein, daidzein)
  • Green tea
  • Pumpkin seed oil
  • Sulforaphane
  • Flavonoids (biochanin A, quercetin, myricetin, fisetin and kaempferol) (R, R, R, R)
  • Black pepper .
  • Rosemary
  • Panax ginseng
  • Beta-sitosterol. (found in avocadoes, nuts, black cumin oil/black seed oil, pygeum, stinging nettle)
  • Azelaic acid (found in wheat, rye, and barley)
  • Reishi mushroom, including other mushrooms, with white button mushroom being the least inhibitory.
  • Saw palmetto
  • Fenugreek
  • Pesticides.
  • DIM (is able to displace DHT from its receptor and is a estrogen receptor agonist)
  • Lignan. Lignans are compounds found in plant food sources. Lignans strongly inhibit 5-alpha reductase, and also lowers testosterone (R). Foods that are high in lignans include seeds (especially flax seed) and whole grains (breads, pastas, cereals etc.)
  • fluoride ( especially if it s in tap water)
  • plastic
  • Finasteride
  • Minoxidil
  • all the stuff found in shampoos / soaps and hygene products, they also contain phthalates, benzophenones (look for markings BP-1, BP-2, BP-3, etc. on the label), phenoxyethanol, triclosan and/ or triclocarban - all of them either strong xenoestrogens or disruptive for your body's testosterone production
3) 1.AROMATASE INHIBITORS
- Arugula contains high amounts of aromatase inhibiting compound called kaempferol https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8049151/
- CALCIUM possesses aromatase inhibiting properties. Estradiol and aromatase increase on a low calcium diet
-VITAMIN A
-WHITE BUTTON MUSHROOMS
-GRAPEFRUITS contain romatase inhibiting compounds, such as apigenin, hesperidin and naringenin
-DIM and luteolin, found in Broccoli, increase estrogen detoxification and inhibit aromatase
-lose body fat , 10-16% range is optimal
-Grape seed extract
Vitamin K2 (MK-4)
is a potent aromatase inhibitor and decreases estradiol levels. Vitamin K2 can increase testosterone significantly when applied topically on the scrotum https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15763078/




2. NUTRIENTS/FOODS THAT LOWER ESTROGEN AND ITS RECEPTORS

- VITAMIN E , A , D
-CAFFEINE
-CURCUMIN
-IODINE

-BEEF , IT CONTAINS CLA which has anti-estrogenic properties, as it prevents the phosphorylation of estrogen receptors.
- INDOLE 3 CARBINOL A natural compound from cruciferous vegetables. Promotes hormone balance, fights against estrogen dominance and hormonal acne.*

3.LOWER CORTISOL

- BREATHING METHODS ( WIM HOF )
-MEDITATION
- ASHWAGANDHA

-6-8 HOURS SLEEP


MY EXPERIENCE : applied most of the stuff i wrote about in the guide and it worked for me , i feel more :
-aggressive ( i always want to punch , kick , break stuff not because im mad but for the fun of doing it , i dont actually break anything)
-more energy ( i feel energized and it s tough to sit 4hours+ in university i always feel like i want to move or lift stuff)
- eye contact , i watch people in the eyes sometimes , especially if around my age (20) ( i used to look on the ground when i walk because i have acne scars so i didnt want to make eye contact with anyone , now i do tho .)
-improved workout recovery
-fighter mentality .
And the thing is that those foods and supplements dont even cost too much for me , i can bulk on a healthy diet on 90$ a week budget

People i copied some stuff from : Dontflexonme @Dontflexonme , Deleted member 773 @Lifeisgood72 , Chintuck22 @Chintuck22

People who wanted to be tagged : Lev Peshkov @Lev Peshkov Deleted member 8576 @Original Deleted member 1464 @Goblin nonserviam @nonserviam JustBeCurry @JustBeCurry Timelessbrah @Timelessbrah Fahkumram @Fahkumram

mods just in case this high effort thread has b of b potential :feelstrash: : Sergeant @Sergeant H @her knajjd @knajjd
Just inject testosterone + L carnitine in to areas you want more androgenicity lole
 
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Nautica said:
Couldn't be anymore wrong bro.

Whether ejaculation has an effect on ones hormones depends on that person's genetic sensitivity to the ejaculation. Excessive fapping absolutely caused a hormonal imbalance within me which led to alot of problems. It's the same thing as people who can eat junk food all the time but not even get one pimple. Some people have to change their pillow cases every night to.avoid acne. Some people are good looking and others aren't. It just depends on your genetics. Certain people are more susceptible to certain things than others.
I think that's due to other factors. Humans and apes in general were designed to ejaculate a lot. Chimps can have groups of over 100. Bashing off 10 times a day is obviously bad
 
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goat2x said:
But thats a law with hundreds of new studies supporting it not just one 100 yrs old idea my guy
Brother the reason we still study it doesnt really come down to the 100 studies backing it up but to the fact that there are none disproving it , if we stopped doing studies on said law would you still believe it s true in 100 years ? Of course you will because it s a scientific fact , the same applies to the 1939 one i linked , recent studies dont disprove it , if anything they are backing it up .

This graph is from a study made in 2016 using vitamin d supplements , literally search for yourself on ncbi there are plenty of studies on vitamin D .
I dont really understand what point are you trying to make " this scientific paper is 100 years old therefore it s not true " lol?
 
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Andrew91 said:
Brother the reason we still study it doesnt really come down to the 100 studies backing it up but to the fact that there are none disproving it , if we stopped doing studies on said law would you still believe it s true in 100 years ? Of course you will because it s a scientific fact , the same applies to the 1939 one i linked , recent studies dont disprove it , if anything they are backing it up .
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This graph is from a study made in 2016 using vitamin d supplements , literally search for yourself on ncbi there are plenty of studies on vitamin D .
I dont really understand what point are you trying to make " this scientific paper is 100 years old therefore it s not true " lol?
Your whole mindset is wrong
We dont need studies to debunk all of the claims
Its the same as
Innocent until proven guilty
You cant just make up shit claims and except a study to debunk it all the time thats retarded
Pretty sure that a vitamin d DEFICIENCY study
 
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KostyaRin said:
I think that's due to other factors. Humans and apes in general were designed to ejaculate a lot. Chimps can have groups of over 100. Bashing off 10 times a day is obviously bad
The hundreds of thousands of people on the nofap sub reddit + nofap youtubers don't get a bunch of benefits and "superpowers" after stopping for no reason bro. But it dosent even have to be anything stupid high like 10 times, lmao do you know how much your dick would hurt? 1-3 times a day is enough to fuck you over if your genetics allow it.
 
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goat2x said:
Your whole mindset is wrong
We dont need studies to debunk all of the claims
Its the same as
Innocent until proven guilty
You cant just make up shit claims and except a study to debunk it all the time thats retarded
Pretty sure that a vitamin d DEFICIENCY study
The study isnt shit made up it s literally from an endocrinology book for uni , also i would dare saying more shit is made up in 2020 tbh just like that 145% graph i posted jfl mods wont let me fix it im still crying :feelswhy:.
And yes you re correct deficiency , and could you guess what causes low vitamin D levels in your average pale western dude ?
Obviously overdosing or spending your whole day in the sun wont give you steroid like results but it s one of the many things needed to reach your genetic potential of T production , which is the whole point of the thread.
 
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Why are you telling people to increase DHT, which causes balding lol
That comes down to genes, androgen receptor sensitivity in your hair follicles to be precise ,just look into your family if they re all balding chances are you will too no matter if you dhtmaxx or dhtmin .
 
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Andrew91 said:
The study isnt shit made up it s literally from an endocrinology book for uni , also i would dare saying more shit is made up in 2020 tbh just like that 145% graph i posted jfl mods wont let me fix it im still crying :feelswhy:.
And yes you re correct deficiency , and could you guess what causes low vitamin D levels in your average pale western dude ?
Obviously overdosing or spending your whole day in the sun wont give you steroid like results but it s one of the many things needed to reach your genetic potential of T production , which is the whole point of the thread.
1, i doubt it its actually in endocrinology books but whatever, that itself doesnt hold any value, it might be a shit book. its a 100 year old study which never been replicated.
2, Paleness and Vitamin D deficency is actually not correlated, if you know anything about anthropology you know that paleness developed because white skin absorbs Vitamin D much faster than Black skin(40% of blacks are Vitamin D deficent in the USA) If Ur bloodtest low in Vitamin D , or magnesium or whatever obviously it will help but for the average man its useless.
 
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ksm 66 was the first looksmaxxing supplement i ever bought i think, in around 2019 september
iirc it didnt do shit for me
 
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goat2x said:
1, i doubt it its actually in endocrinology books but whatever, that itself doesnt hold any value, it might be a shit book. its a 100 year old study which never been replicated.
2, Paleness and Vitamin D deficency is actually not correlated, if you know anything about anthropology you know that paleness developed because white skin absorbs Vitamin D much faster than Black skin(40% of blacks are Vitamin D deficent in the USA) If Ur bloodtest low in Vitamin D , or magnesium or whatever obviously it will help but for the average man its useless.
I know that, a black man needs to stay outside in the sun more , i threw the word "pale" referring to white people in the west who arent tanned and who dont get out enough or use sunscreen daily ,i even saw some using umbrellas during summer jfl . The bigger picture is to get tf out and do physical activity just like our extremely high T ancestors did .

Also getting a few minutes of sun exposure everyday is not enough, my uncle would go out to go to his job everyday with his car and it turned out his vit D levels are low ,simply because a few minutes arent enough .
 
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Yahyeet said:
Prettymucj knew all of this already jfl, time for me to leave this place
Yes my time has come too , you know you have enough knowledge when you do ultimate guides lmao
 
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Andrew91 said:
IT WILL ALSO HELP YOU REDUCE:
ESTROGEN LEVELS (MAINLY PROLACTIN AND ESTRADIOL ) AND THEIR RECEPTORS, CORTISOL ( THE STRESS HORMONE). (if you have no sign of high e levels or you did bloodwork and your e levels are extremely low than skip the part where i explain how to lower it , as normal e levels are important for growth , libido and strength, however for men who live in the west these hormones are at an all time high on average ) .
Stopped reading there and bookmarked cuz too much to read, will read later thanks op. But I have a question, when I did my bloodwork I got 607ng/dl test and I'm slightly obese. I also got my cortisol just barely under the normal range (like 3.6 but minimum normal range is 4) but my estrogen hasn't been tested. If I have low estrogen receptor sensitivity, does that mean I'm low e despite the high amount of aromatase due to my weight?
 
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Its good but I wished you emphazised sun exposure, especially UV exposure (in moderation ofc) because that not only boosts T but UV is immunosuppresant. I also wished you would've talked about the immune system-androgen system see-saw effect, and how the immune system should be downregulated for better muscle growth and skin quality. (unless you're sick obviously)
 
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Stopped reading there and bookmarked cuz too much to read, will read later thanks op. But I have a question, when I did my bloodwork I got 607ng/dl test and I'm slightly obese. I also got my cortisol just barely under the normal range (like 3.6 but minimum normal range is 4) but my estrogen hasn't been tested. If I have low estrogen receptor sensitivity, does that mean I'm low e despite the high amount of aromatase due to my weight?
Do you might know what's up op?
 
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I also wished you would've talked about the immune system-androgen system see-saw effect, and how the immune system should be downregulated for better muscle growth and skin quality. (unless you're sick obviously)
Talk about it yourself :love:
 
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Andrew91 said:
This is a guide based on scientific papers , my personal experience and threads by other users i will credit at the end of this thread .

AND NOW

View attachment 708479

















-THIS EASY TO READ GUIDE WILL HELP YOU IMPROVE :
T , DHT and DHEA LEVELS , ANDROGEN RECEPTORS , INSULIN SENSITIVITY , ENERGY LEVELS , OVERALL YOUR HORMONAL BALANCE AND POSSIBLY LONGEVITY.
(IT S USEFUL ESPECIALLY IF YOU RE GOING THROUGH PUBERTY SO YOU CAN GROW TO YOUR FULL POTENTIAL NATURALLY)

-IT WILL ALSO HELP YOU REDUCE:
ESTROGEN LEVELS (MAINLY PROLACTIN AND ESTRADIOL ) AND THEIR RECEPTORS, CORTISOL ( THE STRESS HORMONE). (if you have no sign of high e levels or you did bloodwork and your e levels are extremely low than skip the part where i explain how to lower it , as normal e levels are important for growth , libido and strength, however for men who live in the west these hormones are at an all time high on average ) .

THIS THREAD WILL COVER 3 MAIN TOPICS :

1) MOST POTENT LIFESTYLE CHANGES ( water is wet topic but if you skip it it s over )

2) DIET , MICRONUTRIENTS/SUPPLEMENTS and WHAT TO AVOID

3) MICRONUTRIENTS/SUPPLEMENTS TO FIGHT E AND C , AROMATASE INHIBITORS .

quick introduction to those hormones for everyone except doctorcels :
Testosterone ( T ) : we all know what that is and what it does
Dht : it s the APEX androgen hormone in men , testosterone is the precursor of this hormone so
low T levels = low DHT.

Testosterone is converted to DHT via the 5-alpha reductase (5-AR) enzyme in the body. Although testosterone is a major contributor to circulating DHT, DHT can also be created from other precursors, such as DHEA, androstenedione, androsterone, 17-hydroxypregnenolone and 17-hydroxyprogesterone.
DHT has 4x times higher affinity to AR ( androgen receptors ) than T does.
Dhea :
is one of the most abundant circulating steroids found in humans. 75–90% of DHEA is synthesized in the adrenal gland (the zona reticularis to be specific) with the remainder being produced by the testes, skin and brain. DHEA is made from cholesterol and its production is stimulated by ACTH and cAMP, both of which can promote the production of cortisol as well.

When the body is not under stress most of the DHEA is converted to other androgens and its sulfated form, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS), but when the body is stressed, it’s converted to estrogens.
Estradiol : it is the primary sex hormone of childbearing women. It is formed from developing ovarian follicles. Estradiol is responsible for female characteristics and sexual functioning.
Estradiol function in men when levels are in the "normal" range : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26908066/

Prolactin : High prolactin can be embarrassing as it manifests in a few physical symptoms, such as poofy nipples and/or gyno, low libido, erectile dysfunction and mood disorders.


Enough introduction let s get straight to the point:


1) 1. SEDENTARY LIFESTYLE KILLS YOUR T LEVELS
Have you ever wondered why the generations coming out of the last century had higher T levels on average compared to today's men ?

SIMPLE BECAUSE THEY DIDNT SIT ALL DAY BROWSING THE INTERNET , WATCHING MOVIES OR WASTING TIME , THEY HAD NO CARS TOO SO THEY HAD TO WALK A LOT OR USE THE BICYLE , THEY ALSO HAD TO DO MANUAL LABOUR SINCE KIDS . Working out on compound movements and limiting your time spent sitting is the best thing you could do to improve a.receptors and T .
View attachment 708623
its time to vikingmaxx
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2. SLEEP
Improving your sleeping habits is one of the quickest and most immediate ways to amplify your Testosterone Production. Don't watch television or play on your laptop in bed. At night your room should be a place dedicated to relaxation and sleep. When it's bedtime make sure that your room is as dark as possible.

We've all heard of the Circadian Rhythm, but you may not realize that the Circadian Rhythm controls far more than your sleeping patterns. Your body produces the highest levels of Testosterone while you are deep in sleep.
View attachment 708642
here you can see T level difference throught the day between sedentary males and athletes . Not only do athletes have higher T but as you can see peak T production happens during sleep , deep sleep to be precise .

3. GET OUT IN THE SUN
The key to how sunlight is one of the best test boosters is its connection to Vitamin D. In numerous studies, Vitamin D is linked to increased production level of testosterone.That’s also why foods rich in Vitamin D are also considered natural testosterone boosters .
Other side benefits of Vitamin D, in addition to being a testosterone booster, are that it is integral in helping the body to absorb calcium ( that means it significantly helps to strengthen bones), and it has also been shown to boost your body’s immune system and other body functions.

This study suggests that sun exposure on chest /back increases T levels up to 120% , but when sun exposure is on the testicles T levels increase by 200%

4. SEMEN RETENTION

Although sexual arousal has been shown to actually boost testosterone levels , ejaculation is different , after each ejaculation your prolactin levels skyrocket and frequent ejaculations have been linked to lower androgen receptors especially in the brain
Sexual behavior reduces hypothalamic androgen receptor immunoreactivity: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12689608/
Research indicates that prolactin increases following orgasm are involved in a feedback loop that serves to decrease arousal through inhibitory central dopaminergic and probably peripheral processes .
On the seventh of semen retention day studies show an increase in T
View attachment 709165
Ideally you want to ejaculate every 8-9 days without watching porn. Masturbation or sexual intercourse alone will only rise T levels .


2) DIET LOW IN REFINED SUGAR AND HIGH IN ANIMAL PROTEIN , MUFA AND S.FATS , COMPLEX CARBS AND VEGETABLES AND FRUITS IS IDEAL.

Abrupt decrease in serum testosterone levels after an oral glucose load in men: implications for screening for hypogonadism https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22804876/ sugar decreases t by over 25%

Cholesterol was the boogeyman of the health industry for many decades. But it is actually a vital component for hormone production, meaning testosterone and estrogen, and you need to eat fat in order to get the cholesterol necessary to maintain your testosterone. Men who get less than 20 percent of their dietary needs from fats have been found to have consistently lower testosterone levels.

View attachment 709219


Saturated fats increase androgen receptors and enhance androgen binding strength : Polyunsaturated fats inhibit the binding of androgens to androgen receptors and lower androgen receptor expression.
However keto diet is not ideal , keep your carbs up .


2.SUPPLEMENTS/FOODS TO INCREASE ANDROGEN RECEPTORS

-WIN MORE Perhaps easier said than done, but winning more in anything you do increases brain androgen receptors https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4213638/

-EGGS :
-Capsaicin, the hot component of chili peppers, increases androgen receptor expression :
-Magnesium
is a potent calcium antagonist by removing intracellular calcium. Too much intracellular calcium, induced by inflammation, excitatory amino acids, EMF, radiation, shock, stress, low CO2, excess nitric oxide and carbon monoxide, etc., degrades the androgen receptors.

-Fish heads contain the thyroid and thyroid hormones, specifically T3, which up-regulate androgen receptors, and down-regulate estrogen receptors .

-Caffeine promotes mental effectiveness, well-being, increases testosterone, DHT, inhibits the aromatase and increases androgen receptors.

-L-carnitine , L-tartare

-Selenium
boosts thyroid hormone conversion, which increases androgen receptors.

-Oysters are very high in zinc. A zinc deficiency significantly increases estrogen receptors and decreases androgen receptors ( it s better to obtain zinc naturally than from supplement )https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/126/4/842/4724266


-Glycine is a component of androgen receptors. Bone Broth contains a big amount of it .

-Fasting for a small period ( around 8-10 hours)

-Forskolin
3. SUPPLEMENTS/FOODS TO INCREASE T , DHT , DHEA ( the ones i mentioned before also have effects on these hormones)

-Ashwagandha – Taking 300mg of the KSM-66 extract of Ashwagandha twice daily increased DHEA-S by 18% after 8 weeks. It also boosts T and lowers C (stress)
-Vitamin C
-Eat organic foods
-Keep inflammation low , Chronic inflammation is one of the most destructive things to health, androgens and longevity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4443794/#R5
-Vitamin B5 Vitamin B5 increases the adrenal sensitivity to ACTH, which will increase DHEA production.
-Creatine supplementation is shown to increase DHT significantly by 56% (after 7 days of creatine loading in rugby players), while testosterone levels were not affected . https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19741313/
-Nicotine boosts DHT by inhibiting the enzyme, 3α-HSD . Gums or patches are advised and not smoking.
-Oxytocin is able to increase 5-alpha reductase . Vitamin C is able to increase oxytocin levels .
-Vitamin A
-Red Wine and red onion
-Curcumin
-
Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors)

4.FOODS / NUTRIENTS TO AVOID

  • Soy (genistein, daidzein)
  • Green tea
  • Pumpkin seed oil
  • Sulforaphane
  • Flavonoids (biochanin A, quercetin, myricetin, fisetin and kaempferol) (R, R, R, R)
  • Black pepper .
  • Rosemary
  • Panax ginseng
  • Beta-sitosterol. (found in avocadoes, nuts, black cumin oil/black seed oil, pygeum, stinging nettle)
  • Azelaic acid (found in wheat, rye, and barley)
  • Reishi mushroom, including other mushrooms, with white button mushroom being the least inhibitory.
  • Saw palmetto
  • Fenugreek
  • Pesticides.
  • DIM (is able to displace DHT from its receptor and is a estrogen receptor agonist)
  • Lignan. Lignans are compounds found in plant food sources. Lignans strongly inhibit 5-alpha reductase, and also lowers testosterone (R). Foods that are high in lignans include seeds (especially flax seed) and whole grains (breads, pastas, cereals etc.)
  • fluoride ( especially if it s in tap water)
  • plastic
  • Finasteride
  • Minoxidil
  • all the stuff found in shampoos / soaps and hygene products, they also contain phthalates, benzophenones (look for markings BP-1, BP-2, BP-3, etc. on the label), phenoxyethanol, triclosan and/ or triclocarban - all of them either strong xenoestrogens or disruptive for your body's testosterone production
3) 1.AROMATASE INHIBITORS
- Arugula contains high amounts of aromatase inhibiting compound called kaempferol https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8049151/
- CALCIUM possesses aromatase inhibiting properties. Estradiol and aromatase increase on a low calcium diet
-VITAMIN A
-WHITE BUTTON MUSHROOMS
-GRAPEFRUITS contain romatase inhibiting compounds, such as apigenin, hesperidin and naringenin
-DIM and luteolin, found in Broccoli, increase estrogen detoxification and inhibit aromatase
-lose body fat , 10-16% range is optimal
-Grape seed extract
Vitamin K2 (MK-4)
is a potent aromatase inhibitor and decreases estradiol levels. Vitamin K2 can increase testosterone significantly when applied topically on the scrotum https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15763078/




2. NUTRIENTS/FOODS THAT LOWER ESTROGEN AND ITS RECEPTORS

- VITAMIN E , A , D
-CAFFEINE
-CURCUMIN
-IODINE

-BEEF , IT CONTAINS CLA which has anti-estrogenic properties, as it prevents the phosphorylation of estrogen receptors.
- INDOLE 3 CARBINOL A natural compound from cruciferous vegetables. Promotes hormone balance, fights against estrogen dominance and hormonal acne.*

3.LOWER CORTISOL

- BREATHING METHODS ( WIM HOF )
-MEDITATION
- ASHWAGANDHA

-6-8 HOURS SLEEP


MY EXPERIENCE : applied most of the stuff i wrote about in the guide and it worked for me , i feel more :
-aggressive ( i always want to punch , kick , break stuff not because im mad but for the fun of doing it , i dont actually break anything)
-more energy ( i feel energized and it s tough to sit 4hours+ in university i always feel like i want to move or lift stuff)
- eye contact , i watch people in the eyes sometimes , especially if around my age (20) ( i used to look on the ground when i walk because i have acne scars so i didnt want to make eye contact with anyone , now i do tho .)
-improved workout recovery
-fighter mentality .
And the thing is that those foods and supplements dont even cost too much for me , i can bulk on a healthy diet on 90$ a week budget

People i copied some stuff from : Dontflexonme @Dontflexonme , Deleted member 773 @Lifeisgood72 , Chintuck22 @Chintuck22

People who wanted to be tagged : Lev Peshkov @Lev Peshkov Deleted member 8576 @Original Deleted member 1464 @Goblin nonserviam @nonserviam JustBeCurry @JustBeCurry Timelessbrah @Timelessbrah Fahkumram @Fahkumram

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Very very good read
 
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Stopped reading there and bookmarked cuz too much to read, will read later thanks op. But I have a question, when I did my bloodwork I got 607ng/dl test and I'm slightly obese. I also got my cortisol just barely under the normal range (like 3.6 but minimum normal range is 4) but my estrogen hasn't been tested. If I have low estrogen receptor sensitivity, does that mean I'm low e despite the high amount of aromatase due to my weight?
Good T level tbh if you re slightly obese, you can ascend to 800 with this guide and working out imo . Anyways no if your body turns more T in E through aromatase then less dht is produced , DHT is wrll known for competing with estradiol for binding (inverse agonist) to the cytosolic estrogen receptor, thus reducing the availability of estrogen receptors . Also c levels bloodeork is useless imo because it fluctuates based on how stressed your mind and body are .https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6542571/

Lifeisgood72 said:
Its good but I wished you emphazised sun exposure, especially UV exposure (in moderation ofc) because that not only boosts T but UV is immunosuppresant. I also wished you would've talked about the immune system-androgen system see-saw effect, and how the immune system should be downregulated for better muscle growth and skin quality. (unless you're sick obviously)
High iq ngl and it makes sense when the body is sick you stay indoors and muscle/skin arent priorities anymore , do a thread tbh . U didnt reply anymore when i asked for your help to review my guide:feelsbaton:
 
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Andrew91 said:
This is a guide based on scientific papers , my personal experience and threads by other users i will credit at the end of this thread .

AND NOW

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-THIS EASY TO READ GUIDE WILL HELP YOU IMPROVE :
T , DHT and DHEA LEVELS , ANDROGEN RECEPTORS , INSULIN SENSITIVITY , ENERGY LEVELS , OVERALL YOUR HORMONAL BALANCE AND POSSIBLY LONGEVITY.
(IT S USEFUL ESPECIALLY IF YOU RE GOING THROUGH PUBERTY SO YOU CAN GROW TO YOUR FULL POTENTIAL NATURALLY)

-IT WILL ALSO HELP YOU REDUCE:
ESTROGEN LEVELS (MAINLY PROLACTIN AND ESTRADIOL ) AND THEIR RECEPTORS, CORTISOL ( THE STRESS HORMONE). (if you have no sign of high e levels or you did bloodwork and your e levels are extremely low than skip the part where i explain how to lower it , as normal e levels are important for growth , libido and strength, however for men who live in the west these hormones are at an all time high on average ) .

THIS THREAD WILL COVER 3 MAIN TOPICS :

1) MOST POTENT LIFESTYLE CHANGES ( water is wet topic but if you skip it it s over )

2) DIET , MICRONUTRIENTS/SUPPLEMENTS and WHAT TO AVOID

3) MICRONUTRIENTS/SUPPLEMENTS TO FIGHT E AND C , AROMATASE INHIBITORS .

quick introduction to those hormones for everyone except doctorcels :
Testosterone ( T ) : we all know what that is and what it does
Dht : it s the APEX androgen hormone in men , testosterone is the precursor of this hormone so
low T levels = low DHT.

Testosterone is converted to DHT via the 5-alpha reductase (5-AR) enzyme in the body. Although testosterone is a major contributor to circulating DHT, DHT can also be created from other precursors, such as DHEA, androstenedione, androsterone, 17-hydroxypregnenolone and 17-hydroxyprogesterone.
DHT has 4x times higher affinity to AR ( androgen receptors ) than T does.
Dhea :
is one of the most abundant circulating steroids found in humans. 75–90% of DHEA is synthesized in the adrenal gland (the zona reticularis to be specific) with the remainder being produced by the testes, skin and brain. DHEA is made from cholesterol and its production is stimulated by ACTH and cAMP, both of which can promote the production of cortisol as well.

When the body is not under stress most of the DHEA is converted to other androgens and its sulfated form, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS), but when the body is stressed, it’s converted to estrogens.
Estradiol : it is the primary sex hormone of childbearing women. It is formed from developing ovarian follicles. Estradiol is responsible for female characteristics and sexual functioning.
Estradiol function in men when levels are in the "normal" range : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26908066/

Prolactin : High prolactin can be embarrassing as it manifests in a few physical symptoms, such as poofy nipples and/or gyno, low libido, erectile dysfunction and mood disorders.


Enough introduction let s get straight to the point:


1) 1. SEDENTARY LIFESTYLE KILLS YOUR T LEVELS
Have you ever wondered why the generations coming out of the last century had higher T levels on average compared to today's men ?

SIMPLE BECAUSE THEY DIDNT SIT ALL DAY BROWSING THE INTERNET , WATCHING MOVIES OR WASTING TIME , THEY HAD NO CARS TOO SO THEY HAD TO WALK A LOT OR USE THE BICYLE , THEY ALSO HAD TO DO MANUAL LABOUR SINCE KIDS . Working out on compound movements and limiting your time spent sitting is the best thing you could do to improve a.receptors and T .
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2. SLEEP
Improving your sleeping habits is one of the quickest and most immediate ways to amplify your Testosterone Production. Don't watch television or play on your laptop in bed. At night your room should be a place dedicated to relaxation and sleep. When it's bedtime make sure that your room is as dark as possible.

We've all heard of the Circadian Rhythm, but you may not realize that the Circadian Rhythm controls far more than your sleeping patterns. Your body produces the highest levels of Testosterone while you are deep in sleep.
View attachment 708642
here you can see T level difference throught the day between sedentary males and athletes . Not only do athletes have higher T but as you can see peak T production happens during sleep , deep sleep to be precise .

3. GET OUT IN THE SUN
The key to how sunlight is one of the best test boosters is its connection to Vitamin D. In numerous studies, Vitamin D is linked to increased production level of testosterone.That’s also why foods rich in Vitamin D are also considered natural testosterone boosters .
Other side benefits of Vitamin D, in addition to being a testosterone booster, are that it is integral in helping the body to absorb calcium ( that means it significantly helps to strengthen bones), and it has also been shown to boost your body’s immune system and other body functions.

This study suggests that sun exposure on chest /back increases T levels up to 120% , but when sun exposure is on the testicles T levels increase by 200%

4. SEMEN RETENTION

Although sexual arousal has been shown to actually boost testosterone levels , ejaculation is different , after each ejaculation your prolactin levels skyrocket and frequent ejaculations have been linked to lower androgen receptors especially in the brain
Sexual behavior reduces hypothalamic androgen receptor immunoreactivity: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12689608/
Research indicates that prolactin increases following orgasm are involved in a feedback loop that serves to decrease arousal through inhibitory central dopaminergic and probably peripheral processes .
On the seventh of semen retention day studies show an increase in T
View attachment 709165
Ideally you want to ejaculate every 8-9 days without watching porn. Masturbation or sexual intercourse alone will only rise T levels .


2) DIET LOW IN REFINED SUGAR AND HIGH IN ANIMAL PROTEIN , MUFA AND S.FATS , COMPLEX CARBS AND VEGETABLES AND FRUITS IS IDEAL.

Abrupt decrease in serum testosterone levels after an oral glucose load in men: implications for screening for hypogonadism https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22804876/ sugar decreases t by over 25%

Cholesterol was the boogeyman of the health industry for many decades. But it is actually a vital component for hormone production, meaning testosterone and estrogen, and you need to eat fat in order to get the cholesterol necessary to maintain your testosterone. Men who get less than 20 percent of their dietary needs from fats have been found to have consistently lower testosterone levels.

View attachment 709219


Saturated fats increase androgen receptors and enhance androgen binding strength : Polyunsaturated fats inhibit the binding of androgens to androgen receptors and lower androgen receptor expression.
However keto diet is not ideal , keep your carbs up .


2.SUPPLEMENTS/FOODS TO INCREASE ANDROGEN RECEPTORS

-WIN MORE Perhaps easier said than done, but winning more in anything you do increases brain androgen receptors https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4213638/

-EGGS :
-Capsaicin, the hot component of chili peppers, increases androgen receptor expression :
-Magnesium
is a potent calcium antagonist by removing intracellular calcium. Too much intracellular calcium, induced by inflammation, excitatory amino acids, EMF, radiation, shock, stress, low CO2, excess nitric oxide and carbon monoxide, etc., degrades the androgen receptors.

-Fish heads contain the thyroid and thyroid hormones, specifically T3, which up-regulate androgen receptors, and down-regulate estrogen receptors .

-Caffeine promotes mental effectiveness, well-being, increases testosterone, DHT, inhibits the aromatase and increases androgen receptors.

-L-carnitine , L-tartare

-Selenium
boosts thyroid hormone conversion, which increases androgen receptors.

-Oysters are very high in zinc. A zinc deficiency significantly increases estrogen receptors and decreases androgen receptors ( it s better to obtain zinc naturally than from supplement )https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/126/4/842/4724266


-Glycine is a component of androgen receptors. Bone Broth contains a big amount of it .

-Fasting for a small period ( around 8-10 hours)

-Forskolin
3. SUPPLEMENTS/FOODS TO INCREASE T , DHT , DHEA ( the ones i mentioned before also have effects on these hormones)

-Ashwagandha – Taking 300mg of the KSM-66 extract of Ashwagandha twice daily increased DHEA-S by 18% after 8 weeks. It also boosts T and lowers C (stress)
-Vitamin C
-Eat organic foods
-Keep inflammation low , Chronic inflammation is one of the most destructive things to health, androgens and longevity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4443794/#R5
-Vitamin B5 Vitamin B5 increases the adrenal sensitivity to ACTH, which will increase DHEA production.
-Creatine supplementation is shown to increase DHT significantly by 56% (after 7 days of creatine loading in rugby players), while testosterone levels were not affected . https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19741313/
-Nicotine boosts DHT by inhibiting the enzyme, 3α-HSD . Gums or patches are advised and not smoking.
-Oxytocin is able to increase 5-alpha reductase . Vitamin C is able to increase oxytocin levels .
-Vitamin A
-Red Wine and red onion
-Curcumin
-
Taking Butea superba, which increases DHT 5X it's amount, (It doesn't cause balding so i'm pretty sure it has something to do with IGF receptors)

4.FOODS / NUTRIENTS TO AVOID

  • Soy (genistein, daidzein)
  • Green tea
  • Pumpkin seed oil
  • Sulforaphane
  • Flavonoids (biochanin A, quercetin, myricetin, fisetin and kaempferol) (R, R, R, R)
  • Black pepper .
  • Rosemary
  • Panax ginseng
  • Beta-sitosterol. (found in avocadoes, nuts, black cumin oil/black seed oil, pygeum, stinging nettle)
  • Azelaic acid (found in wheat, rye, and barley)
  • Reishi mushroom, including other mushrooms, with white button mushroom being the least inhibitory.
  • Saw palmetto
  • Fenugreek
  • Pesticides.
  • DIM (is able to displace DHT from its receptor and is a estrogen receptor agonist)
  • Lignan. Lignans are compounds found in plant food sources. Lignans strongly inhibit 5-alpha reductase, and also lowers testosterone (R). Foods that are high in lignans include seeds (especially flax seed) and whole grains (breads, pastas, cereals etc.)
  • fluoride ( especially if it s in tap water)
  • plastic
  • Finasteride
  • Minoxidil
  • all the stuff found in shampoos / soaps and hygene products, they also contain phthalates, benzophenones (look for markings BP-1, BP-2, BP-3, etc. on the label), phenoxyethanol, triclosan and/ or triclocarban - all of them either strong xenoestrogens or disruptive for your body's testosterone production
3) 1.AROMATASE INHIBITORS
- Arugula contains high amounts of aromatase inhibiting compound called kaempferol https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8049151/
- CALCIUM possesses aromatase inhibiting properties. Estradiol and aromatase increase on a low calcium diet
-VITAMIN A
-WHITE BUTTON MUSHROOMS
-GRAPEFRUITS contain romatase inhibiting compounds, such as apigenin, hesperidin and naringenin
-DIM and luteolin, found in Broccoli, increase estrogen detoxification and inhibit aromatase
-lose body fat , 10-16% range is optimal
-Grape seed extract
Vitamin K2 (MK-4)
is a potent aromatase inhibitor and decreases estradiol levels. Vitamin K2 can increase testosterone significantly when applied topically on the scrotum https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15763078/




2. NUTRIENTS/FOODS THAT LOWER ESTROGEN AND ITS RECEPTORS

- VITAMIN E , A , D
-CAFFEINE
-CURCUMIN
-IODINE

-BEEF , IT CONTAINS CLA which has anti-estrogenic properties, as it prevents the phosphorylation of estrogen receptors.
- INDOLE 3 CARBINOL A natural compound from cruciferous vegetables. Promotes hormone balance, fights against estrogen dominance and hormonal acne.*

3.LOWER CORTISOL

- BREATHING METHODS ( WIM HOF )
-MEDITATION
- ASHWAGANDHA

-6-8 HOURS SLEEP


MY EXPERIENCE : applied most of the stuff i wrote about in the guide and it worked for me , i feel more :
-aggressive ( i always want to punch , kick , break stuff not because im mad but for the fun of doing it , i dont actually break anything)
-more energy ( i feel energized and it s tough to sit 4hours+ in university i always feel like i want to move or lift stuff)
- eye contact , i watch people in the eyes sometimes , especially if around my age (20) ( i used to look on the ground when i walk because i have acne scars so i didnt want to make eye contact with anyone , now i do tho .)
-improved workout recovery
-fighter mentality .
And the thing is that those foods and supplements dont even cost too much for me , i can bulk on a healthy diet on 90$ a week budget

People i copied some stuff from : Dontflexonme @Dontflexonme , Deleted member 773 @Lifeisgood72 , Chintuck22 @Chintuck22

People who wanted to be tagged : Lev Peshkov @Lev Peshkov Deleted member 8576 @Original Deleted member 1464 @Goblin nonserviam @nonserviam JustBeCurry @JustBeCurry Timelessbrah @Timelessbrah Fahkumram @Fahkumram

mods just in case this high effort thread has b of b potential :feelstrash: : Sergeant @Sergeant H @her knajjd @knajjd
Does going hungry boost androgens? I feel as if it does I always get erections when I’m hungry for some reason. Also does an all nighter boost them as well?
 
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Does going hungry boost androgens? I feel as if it does I always get erections when I’m hungry for some reason. Also does an all nighter boost them as well?
Yes a short fast is ideal because you go "hunter-mode" for food . Idk what all nighter iz
 
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Yes a short fast is ideal because you go "hunter-mode" for food . Idk what all nighter iz
Where you stay up all night one night with 0 hours of sleep till the next night
 
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Where you stay up all night one night with 0 hours of sleep till the next night
No read the sleep part and click on the link to the graph . An all nighter fucks you up but the damage can be" fixed " after a few nights of 9-10 hours sleep
 
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Talk about it yourself :love:
There’s no really much too it, androgens are immunosuppressive, and if the immune system gets highly upregulated by various foods or lifestyle decisions it can shut off the androgen receptor.
 
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I have enough androgens/androgen sensitivity to grow beard and bodyhair, but not enough to feel aggressive, confident and not anxious.
 
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Great thread OP , i love the point no one discusses here that winning/succes (short term) gives you instant boost in T levels, hence the good feeling that follows after winning . Its a positive feedback

So boyos , only step in the situations in which you can win and raise your t levels and if you are not winning and just humiliating yourselves in some competition /situation , drop yourself out from it to save your T levels , for instance , avoiding places where you are likely to get mogged
 
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Valuable post. Androgens not only help your looks but mental health.
 
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Fahkumram said:
Thread makes me feel good drinking coffee again ngl
Yeah just dont drink too much, black tea is also an option for caffeine
 
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Also c levels bloodeork is useless imo because it fluctuates based on how stressed your mind and body are
Well I was nervous before the blood test
 
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I don't understand, you say stay away from DIM and then eat broccoli cause they detox estrogens, but broccoli are a source of DIM.
Also you say stay away from mushrooms but also eat them.
And aren't nuts and avocado supposed to be good for T ?
Getting confused here
 
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I don't understand, you say stay away from DIM and then eat broccoli cause they detox estrogens, but broccoli are a source of DIM.
Also you say stay away from mushrooms but also eat them.
And aren't nuts and avocado supposed to be good for T ?
Getting confused here
Some nutrients are double edge sword .
Avocados and some nuts have Beta-sitosterol with is antiandrogenic , also saw palmetto "increases T "like avocado but that s because they inhibit 5alpha reductase so you get more T but less dht and less androgen receptor sensitivity, of course that s how they treat baldness
 
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JFL if you don't have the high-DHT, low-estrogen hormonal composition to begin with,

I CRASHED my e2 levels when cycling Proviron, 50mg/day for three weeks;

felt like shit from the end of the first week onwards, thought the Proviron was bunk; got a blood test done, turned out serum e2 levels were abysmally low, compared to pre-cycle levels.

Watch out for that shit
 
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High effort but sadly if you are under 12 its all bluepill copes
Also if you make your testosterone higher for couple tens or hundreds digits more,it surely wont make any change at all except maybe higher sex drive if that
 
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Soalian said:
JFL if you don't have the high-DHT, low-estrogen hormonal composition to begin with,

I CRASHED my e2 levels when cycling Proviron, 50mg/day for three weeks;

felt like shit from the end of the first week onwards, thought the Proviron was bunk; got a blood test done, turned out serum e2 levels were abysmally low, compared to pre-cycle levels.

Watch out for that shit
How much proviron should i take to not supress myself?
 
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GarixTheChad said:
How much proviron should i take to not supress myself?
50mg/day is the higher end of a non-suppressive dose of Proviron, but hormonal reactions are highly individual.

Problem is, even if you don't suppress natural Test production, DHT derivatives will most likely antagonize estrogen receptors, which means it will estrogen from exerting it's normal functions, by occupying the same receptors
 
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Soalian said:
50mg/day is the higher end of a non-suppressive dose of Proviron, but hormonal reactions are highly individual.

Problem is, even if you don't suppress natural Test production, DHT derivatives will most likely antagonize estrogen receptors, which means it will estrogen from exerting it's normal functions, by occupying the same receptors
Do you know what is the small amout of raw testosterone base?
 
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Black pepper, just why?
 
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KingScrew said:
Black pepper, just why?

Just dont eat too much bro you dont have to avoid everything, i still have oil , grains and seeds lol
 
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goat2x said:
this study was never replicated btw
they don't want the masses to know about this secret technique JFL
(((they))) own the fucking porn industry which makes billions PER YEAR
 
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NewParasite said:
they don't want the masses to know about this secret technique JFL
(((they))) own the fucking porn industry which makes billions PER YEAR
yeah the same with smashing your head into the wall
they just dont wanna do research on it
it actually increases T ded srs
 
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NewParasite said:
they don't want the masses to know about this secret technique JFL
(((they))) own the fucking porn industry which makes billions PER YEAR
 
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Won'tStopNoodling said:
Stopped reading at semen retention
You did it, you one upped me well done
 
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JFL when u gotta use fin to prevent balding :feelswah:
 
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Xxxpazxxx said:
Chad never did that :lul:
But you aren't Chad we can only achieve pitt level through surgery and hoping on hgh
 

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