Uni cliques form so fast

[Pharmaceutic]

I had first day of second year of uni yesterday (last year was all online), and everyone was already formed into little groups and chattering as tho they knew each other for a lifetime.

What do you even do in such situations? I went for a few meetups and hangouts during the online period whenever my schedule could afford it (since I was double majoring and involved in volunteering, projects, internship prospects etc), but for the most part it essentially was like I was already invisible (there was only one person that went outta their way to say hi to me, the other one was the new guy).

I imagine that, since I engaged at one point or another in convos with a lot of the people there, as we spend more time together I will eventually get engaged into some group or another, but for now it's like they already had all their little groups and just trying to force my way into one group by randomly joining them seems autistic.

Most importantly, I want to avoid being cut off from enjoying uni friends and life, I already isolated myself in high school because I did not like the entourage, so this is a crucial step in re-developing some of my finer social skills before I transition to adulthood definitively

 

[Erik-Jón]

What’s your psl, height, race

 

[Pharmaceutic]

What’s your psl, height, race

I am in EE, so race doesn't matter as much, but I'm Slav + Balkan + Jew mix (mostly Slav).

Going by how I've been treated most of my life, I'd consider myself maybe HTN (in high school when I isolated myself, I never got bullied or anything; I hopped through 3 different high schools and in all 3 my classmates showed respect for me and tried to integrate me into their groups; I also would have girls approach me and help me out with random things, and no one seemed to avoid me or be disgusted by me). I'm currently 6'2

 

[Deleted member 21620]

I am in EE, so race doesn't matter as much, but I'm Slav + Balkan + Jew mix (mostly Slav).

Going by how I've been treated most of my life, I'd consider myself maybe HTN (in high school when I isolated myself, I never got bullied or anything; I hopped through 3 different high schools and in all 3 my classmates showed respect for me and tried to integrate me into their groups; I also would have girls approach me and help me out with random things, and no one seemed to avoid me or be disgusted by me). I'm currently 6'2

how is ee?

 

[Pharmaceutic]

how is ee?

In what sense? Overall, if we are to compare it to the West, I would say from personal experience:

- more conservative (no-brainer);
- expectations from men are less focused on pretty looks (although there is a growing niche for them due to westernization), more focused on connections, moneymaking or masculine/ogreish looks;
- simultaneously more shut-off, as well as more gregarious people (Eastern Europeans in general can be quite cold on the outside, but once they get to forming friendships, they also form them faster than Westerners do, and they are more sincere/more organic);
- more corruption, more liberties if you have good money (another no-brainer);
- less productivity, less financial knowledge, general institutional and economic prowess as opposed to the West is sub-par in some ways, people are likelier to squander their money on flashy things like 2nd hand BMW cars due to the developing country mentality;
- women spend more time taking care of themselves, and (in my personal opinion) are generally less judgemental/'superficial', but at the same time, will be likelier to go into relationships/friendships out of ulterior motives

This is about all that currently comes to mind. Keep in mind that I'm talking about the entire half of a continent, so I had to generalize with some broad strokes here. if we go from the Balkans all the way to northeastern Europe, and consider central Europe and Baltic countries as East-adjacent too, there is a heavy amount of diversity involved; however, there are, indeed, a decent amount of similarities across EE

 

[Deleted member 21620]

In what sense? Overall, if we are to compare it to the West, I would say from personal experience:

- more conservative (no-brainer);
- expectations from men are less focused on pretty looks (although there is a growing niche for them due to westernization), more focused on connections, moneymaking or masculine/ogreish looks;
- simultaneously more shut-off, as well as more gregarious people (Eastern Europeans in general can be quite cold on the outside, but once they get to forming friendships, they also form them faster than Westerners do, and they are more sincere/more organic);
- more corruption, more liberties if you have good money (another no-brainer);
- less productivity, less financial knowledge, general institutional and economic prowess as opposed to the West is sub-par in some ways, people are likelier to squander their money on flashy things like 2nd hand BMW cars due to the developing country mentality;
- women spend more time taking care of themselves, and (in my personal opinion) are generally less judgemental/'superficial', but at the same time, will be likelier to go into relationships/friendships out of ulterior motives

This is about all that currently comes to mind. Keep in mind that I'm talking about the entire half of a continent, so I had to generalize with some broad strokes here. if we go from the Balkans all the way to northeastern Europe, and consider central Europe and Baltic countries as East-adjacent too, there is a heavy amount of diversity involved; however, there are, indeed, a decent amount of similarities across EE

@the BULL

 

[Deleted member 5189]

INTERNATIONALE CLIQUE

 

[Deleted member 21620]

In what sense? Overall, if we are to compare it to the West, I would say from personal experience:

- more conservative (no-brainer);
- expectations from men are less focused on pretty looks (although there is a growing niche for them due to westernization), more focused on connections, moneymaking or masculine/ogreish looks;
- simultaneously more shut-off, as well as more gregarious people (Eastern Europeans in general can be quite cold on the outside, but once they get to forming friendships, they also form them faster than Westerners do, and they are more sincere/more organic);
- more corruption, more liberties if you have good money (another no-brainer);
- less productivity, less financial knowledge, general institutional and economic prowess as opposed to the West is sub-par in some ways, people are likelier to squander their money on flashy things like 2nd hand BMW cars due to the developing country mentality;
- women spend more time taking care of themselves, and (in my personal opinion) are generally less judgemental/'superficial', but at the same time, will be likelier to go into relationships/friendships out of ulterior motives

This is about all that currently comes to mind. Keep in mind that I'm talking about the entire half of a continent, so I had to generalize with some broad strokes here. if we go from the Balkans all the way to northeastern Europe, and consider central Europe and Baltic countries as East-adjacent too, there is a heavy amount of diversity involved; however, there are, indeed, a decent amount of similarities across EE

sounds like a nice place

 

[Pharmaceutic]

sounds like a nice place

It can be quite nice - the Westerner starting some business in East pipeline (or anything among those lines) is legit. There are less business regulations, there is a bigger tendency for things to be agreed upon informally/under the table, authorities care less and welcome most types of Western attention/investment, corruption is heavier and bribes/favors are the name of the game.

As for personal living, costs of living as well as quality of life in the bigger cities is often comparable to the West once you adjust the Eastern incomes to the local prices (the biggest negative aspect is just the often dilapidated commie architecture), crime is much smaller and mostly reduced to petty crime, etc, so with Western money in EE, you could live a kingly life. An interesting link for these kinds of statistics is this one:

Eurostat / Regions and Cities Illustrated (RCI)

RCI is an interactive visualisation tool containing data on European regions, cities and other territorial typologies, grouped into different statistical domains.

ec.europa.eu

Note some Eastern (Hungary is arguable but Westerners tend to lump it in together with the general East) regions being high up here (there are some other ones, but they're also more central like Hungary, such as Slovakia and Poland):

Also, most people like Westerners, because besides Eastern Europeans being generally welcoming people, Westerners are seen as the societal 'target goal' and as cash bags.

 

[Deleted member 21620]

It can be quite nice - the Westerner starting some business in East pipeline (or anything among those lines) is legit. There are less business regulations, there is a bigger tendency for things to be agreed upon informally/under the table, authorities care less and welcome most types of Western attention/investment, corruption is heavier and bribes/favors are the name of the game.

As for personal living, costs of living as well as quality of life in the bigger cities is often comparable to the West once you adjust the Eastern incomes to the local prices (the biggest negative aspect is just the often dilapidated commie architecture), crime is much smaller and mostly reduced to petty crime, etc, so with Western money in EE, you could live a kingly life. An interesting link for these kinds of statistics is this one:

Eurostat / Regions and Cities Illustrated (RCI)

RCI is an interactive visualisation tool containing data on European regions, cities and other territorial typologies, grouped into different statistical domains.

ec.europa.eu

Note some Eastern (Hungary is arguable but Westerners tend to lump it in together with the general East) regions being high up here (there are some other ones, but they're also more central like Hungary, such as Slovakia and Poland):
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Also, most people like Westerners, because besides Eastern Europeans being generally welcoming people, Westerners are seen as the societal 'target goal' and as cash bags.

i would like to visit there someday. what do you think of ee women?

 

[Deleted member 21620]

@Niko69

 

[Pharmaceutic]

i would like to visit there someday. what do you think of ee women?

In my opinion, they are more attractive than Western women, possibly the most attractive women en large. I am also biased because I come from the same breeding group as them genetics wise, so my genetics will propel me towards them first and foremost, but I think that the EE phenos make for generally attractive women.

When I say generally attractive, what I mean is that the typical Eastern European woman, as far as I've observed, will mog the typical Western woman quite hard; however, at the peak of female looks, Western phenos may dominate, but that's just me theorizing, I haven't seen enough Stacies of either type of ancestry to be able to generalize like this.

Another reason for them being able to mog quite hard is the fact that EE encourages a culture of women taking very good care of themselves. This is changing nowadays to some extent because of Westernization, but the basic idea in EE for women is to generally dress up and look at their best; in the West, women are much more relaxed about this.

Lastly, behaviorally speaking, the expectations can change quite a bit depending on the sub-region of EE we are talking about. In the Balkans, they tend to be fierier, more stubborn and more traditional, so if you want to go for a Balkaner woman, you'll have to have a steady temperament, and to be able to exude assertiveness and dominance (they also quite like ogreish looks most of the time, moreso than EE women north of them). It's kinda similar to being with a black woman, but probably not as extreme. However, if you go North, like in Ukraine or Hungary-Transylvania-something, the women become (at least superficially) mellower, so it's easier to maintain a rapport with them; it's also easier to disobey traditional male looks (things such as the pretty boy look come into play here), if not even encouraged.

Overall, they're fine. In my opinion, chattier and less shallow than Western women, so you can have better convos with them. Just be ready to pass through more masculinity/status shit tests than you would in the West

 

[Deleted member 21620]

In my opinion, they are more attractive than Western women, possibly the most attractive women en large. I am also biased because I come from the same breeding group as them genetics wise, so my genetics will propel me towards them first and foremost, but I think that the EE phenos make for generally attractive women.

When I say generally attractive, what I mean is that the typical Eastern European woman, as far as I've observed, will mog the typical Western woman quite hard; however, at the peak of female looks, Western phenos may dominate, but that's just me theorizing, I haven't seen enough Stacies of either type of ancestry to be able to generalize like this.

Another reason for them being able to mog quite hard is the fact that EE encourages a culture of women taking very good care of themselves. This is changing nowadays to some extent because of Westernization, but the basic idea in EE for women is to generally dress up and look at their best; in the West, women are much more relaxed about this.

Lastly, behaviorally speaking, the expectations can change quite a bit depending on the sub-region of EE we are talking about. In the Balkans, they tend to be fierier, more stubborn and more traditional, so if you want to go for a Balkaner woman, you'll have to have a steady temperament, and to be able to exude assertiveness and dominance (they also quite like ogreish looks most of the time, moreso than EE women north of them). It's kinda similar to being with a black woman, but probably not as extreme. However, if you go North, like in Ukraine or Hungary-Transylvania-something, the women become (at least superficially) mellower, so it's easier to maintain a rapport with them; it's also easier to disobey traditional male looks (things such as the pretty boy look come into play here), if not even encouraged.

Overall, they're fine. In my opinion, chattier and less shallow than Western women, so you can have better convos with them. Just be ready to pass through more masculinity/status shit tests than you would in the West

i would like to geomaxx and travel there

 

[Pharmaceutic]

i would like to geomaxx and travel there

Good luck - it's doable if you manage to avoid the gold digger types. I don't know your race/ethnicity but IMO most blacks should avoid, especially if normie tier; East Asians are 50-50, depends on the looks range; South Asians are of course no-go; MENA men have probably the highest advantage here (it's a tanned exotic look in EE and much appreciated, especially if HTN+); and white guys are, of course, perfectly fine, especially if they have the money to go along with it

 

[2d v2]

this is why

 

[Pharmaceutic]

this is why
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Kinda true. I'm a bit non NT like that, I didn't even say hi to anyone barging in and just went and sat at the back. My first social instinct ever since I went through my isolation bout in high school is just to avoid interaction until interaction inevitably comes my way, but I need to change that if I want to fit in. Will be quite hard though

 

[2d v2]

Kinda true. I'm a bit non NT like that, I didn't even say hi to anyone barging in and just went and sat at the back. My first social instinct ever since I went through my isolation bout in high school is just to avoid interaction until interaction inevitably comes my way, but I need to change that if I want to fit in. Will be quite hard though

either become social or ull be 25 like me, bad social interactions(mostly because i become rude) and losing friends, now i have no friends again like it was two years ago and I am trying to make friends at fucking community college

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Kinda true. I'm a bit non NT like that, I didn't even say hi to anyone barging in and just went and sat at the back. My first social instinct ever since I went through my isolation bout in high school is just to avoid interaction until interaction inevitably comes my way, but I need to change that if I want to fit in. Will be quite hard though

that is the nt thing to do though. all the people you see hanging out in groups didn't go out of their way to try and talk to people. it just happened for them.

 

[Pharmaceutic]

that is the nt thing to do though. all the people you see hanging out in groups didn't go out of their way to try and talk to people. it just happened for them.

Yeah, precisely, and that's why it's a bit mind boggling to me. It's like by the time I get there, I missed the secret recipe that gets me into a group like everyone else, so I'm just kinda left on the sides. Admittedly it was just the first day and I have time to change things, but yeah, you're right. In high school and some recent projects I just relied on people going out of their way to integrate me into their groups, which largely worked, and I guess that's unhealthy and non NT thing to do in everyday uni context

 

[Pharmaceutic]

either become social or ull be 25 like me, bad social interactions(mostly because i become rude) and losing friends, now i have no friends again like it was two years ago and I am trying to make friends at fucking community college

Brutal. Godspeed with that bro. Point taken

 

[Deleted member 12002]

I had first day of second year of uni yesterday (last year was all online), and everyone was already formed into little groups and chattering as tho they knew each other for a lifetime.

What do you even do in such situations? I went for a few meetups and hangouts during the online period whenever my schedule could afford it (since I was double majoring and involved in volunteering, projects, internship prospects etc), but for the most part it essentially was like I was already invisible (there was only one person that went outta their way to say hi to me, the other one was the new guy).

I imagine that, since I engaged at one point or another in convos with a lot of the people there, as we spend more time together I will eventually get engaged into some group or another, but for now it's like they already had all their little groups and just trying to force my way into one group by randomly joining them seems autistic.

Most importantly, I want to avoid being cut off from enjoying uni friends and life, I already isolated myself in high school because I did not like the entourage, so this is a crucial step in re-developing some of my finer social skills before I transition to adulthood definitively

Join redpill groups or groups that revolve around firearm ownership (NRA type stuff).

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Yeah, precisely, and that's why it's a bit mind boggling to me. It's like by the time I get there, I missed the secret recipe that gets me into a group like everyone else, so I'm just kinda left on the sides. Admittedly it was just the first day and I have time to change things, but yeah, you're right. In high school and some recent projects I just relied on people going out of their way to integrate me into their groups, which largely worked, and I guess that's unhealthy and non NT thing to do in everyday uni context

just sitting around and waiting for organic opportunities for social interaction (group projects, etc) to happen is less weird than being that guy who forces himself to strike up random conversations with people out of the blue. believe me boyo.

 

[Pharmaceutic]

just sitting around and waiting for organic opportunities for social interaction (group projects, etc) to happen is less weird than being that guy who forces himself to strike up random conversations with people out of the blue. believe me boyo.

Yeah, if you didn't manage to get in on the very first few groups, it's non NT to try and force yourself in, I think, so I just gotta be more proactive in the future with it and bide my time and not close myself off over the course of the next few weeks. Did you force yourself to do that?

 

[Pharmaceutic]

Join redpill groups or groups that revolve around firearm ownership (NRA type stuff).

Brilliant idea

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Yeah, if you didn't manage to get in on the very first few groups, it's non NT to try and force yourself in, I think, so I just gotta be more proactive in the future with it and bide my time and not close myself off over the course of the next few weeks. Did you force yourself to do that?

not sure what you mean by that

 

[Pharmaceutic]

not sure what you mean by that

Was basically asking if you're speaking from personal experience, aka if you forced yourself into various social situations and it was largely a failure for you

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Was basically asking if you're speaking from personal experience, aka if you forced yourself into various social situations and it was largely a failure for you

I haven't really but when you see dudes like that, you can observe it generally just comes across odd to people. because even normies will inevitably find themselves in situations like that every once in a while and they don't go out of their way to try and talk to people either. they just sit there and accept the situation and other people don't think it's weird.

 

[Pharmaceutic]

I haven't really but when you see dudes like that, you can observe it generally just comes across odd to people. because even normies will inevitably find themselves in situations like that every once in a while and they don't go out of their way to try and talk to people either.

I see - fair enough. Lines up with my observations too

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

I see - fair enough. Lines up with my observations

just to clarify i'm not saying you should be an aspie and avoid people by sitting all the way in the back, etc. just be there, look approachable/nt and wait for opportunities where you don't feel like you're forcing yourself and if it doesn't happen then it just doesn't happen ime.

 

[Pharmaceutic]

just to clarify i'm not saying you should be an aspie and avoid people by sitting all the way in the back, etc. just be there, look approachable/nt and wait for opportunities where you don't feel like you're forcing yourself and if it doesn't happen then it just doesn't happen ime.

Ye, gotcha - will just keep hanging around and wait for something to happen, if anything does. seems like the safest/most effective solution to me too. appreciate the advice

 

[Crustaciouse_]

Ye, gotcha - will just keep hanging around and wait for something to happen, if anything does. seems like the safest/most effective solution to me too. appreciate the advice

Did anything change in your situation boyo?
I noticed the exact same shit in my college.
The first year first classes alot of people where already grouped up and talking to eachother, and it was obvious they knew eachothwr from high-school.
So that's a big problem right at the start because atleast 50% of the people are already locked out because they have friends from high-school they are hanging out with in college. Sadly I didn't have any that went to my school. Then somehow in week 2 and 3 everyone was grouped up and talking to eachother like they'd been friends for years.
Idk how the hell this happens, legit these people would have only seen eachother for 1 or 2 classes previously, but now they are friends. And I didn't even see them interact in class before they became friends, so idk how they became friends.
It seems like there's a completely different hidden society of socialization that hidden from us

 

[Pharmaceutic]

Did anything change in your situation boyo?
I noticed the exact same shit in my college.
The first year first classes alot of people where already grouped up and talking to eachother, and it was obvious they knew eachothwr from high-school.
So that's a big problem right at the start because atleast 50% of the people are already locked out because they have friends from high-school they are hanging out with in college. Sadly I didn't have any that went to my school. Then somehow in week 2 and 3 everyone was grouped up and talking to eachother like they'd been friends for years.
Idk how the hell this happens, legit these people would have only seen eachother for 1 or 2 classes previously, but now they are friends. And I didn't even see them interact in class before they became friends, so idk how they became friends.
It seems like there's a completely different hidden society of socialization that hidden from us

I feel your pain mate. It really is a bit mind boggling to me because I grew up being NT, reasonably good looking, tall and charismatic, and now I'm literally unable to figure out how come all these people managed to form groups so swiftly and basically invisibly. I can only imagine how aspies and sub 5's feel in such contexts, it's a shame

And as of currently, no, nothing changed because I only went to uni for 2 days last week, I stayed one home to fix sleep schedule and the other 2 were called off by the professors. I'm hoping that week 2 will reap better results

I don't know how you look, but if you don't look at your best, you should looksmax so that you seem more approachable at least. Godspeed