Up to what age can u see penis gains from DHT?

[JCaesar]

Serious, and up to what age would applying DHT gel or increasing testosterone through AIs or injecting still make visible changes?

 

[appeal]

below 17 realistically

 

[JCaesar]

below 17 realistically

If I take an AI and get more testosterone would I see growth if I'm younger than that? Or would I have to put gel on it

 

[SoundnVision]

Make sure to inject that shit right up the bell end fella

 

[Deleted member 58492]

If I take an AI and get more testosterone would I see growth if I'm younger than that? Or would I have to put gel on it

AI probably wouldn't effect growth, I've seen in studies that it (estrogen, non inhibited by aromatase inhibition) could have a slight positive effect on growth BECAUSE estrogen is a normal (until a certain threshold) hormone your body uses for regulating many things. However, growth on it is mostly an androgenic process, not affected by the estrogen significantly.

If you really really want growth, go with test gel and hCG injections.
Kim, S.-O., Ryu, K. H., Hwang, I. S., Jung, S. I., Oh, K. J., & Park, K. (2011, April). Penile growth in response to human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) treatment in patients with idiopathic hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism. Chonnam medical journal. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214853/

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according to this study,
in patients with low hCG, they gained significant growth with 3x week 1,500-2,000 IU of hCG adminstered intramuscularly, size grew significantly in 24 weeks. (flaccid length: from 3.39±1.03 cm to 5.14±1.39 cm).
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Penile growth is under androgenic control. Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) has a stimulatory effect on testicular steroidogenesis and penile growth. The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect of hCG treatment on the gonadal response and penile growth in male idiopathic hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism (IHH) presenting with micropenis. A total of 20 IHH patients who met the criteria for micropenis were included in this study. hCG (1,500-2,000 IU) was administrated intramuscularly, 3 times per week, for 8 weeks. Basic laboratory and hormonal indexes (including serum testosterone and LH levels), penis length (flaccid and stretched), and testicular volume were measured before and 24 weeks after hCG treatment. The patients' mean age was 18.9 years (range, 12 to 24 years). The mean serum testosterone level was significantly increased after hCG treatment (baseline, 2, 4, 12, and 24 weeks: 0.90±1.35 ng/ml, 1.77±1.31 ng/ml, 3.74±2.24 ng/ml, 5.49±1.70 ng/ml, and 5.58±1.75 ng/ml, respectively; p<0.05). Mean penile length also increased significantly 24 weeks after treatment (flaccid length: from 3.39±1.03 cm to 5.14±1.39 cm; stretched length: from 5.41±1.43 cm to 7.45±1.70 cm; p<0.001). Mean testicular volumes increased significantly as well (left: from 5.45 cc to 6.83 cc; right: from 5.53 cc to 7.03 cc). There were no remarkable adverse effects of the hCG treatment. The hCG treatment increased the serum testosterone level, penile length, and testicular volume in IHH patients. Our results suggest that hCG treatment has a beneficial effect on gonadal function and penile growth in patients with IHH presenting with micropenis.

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However, im gonna assume you DONT have IHH, and have standard hCG production so, you probably wont see any SIGNIFICANT* growth unless your 8-15, 16 at the LATEST.

* significant: since growth is affected by LH, TEST, and hCG, you probably would see some growth.

 

[JCaesar]

AI probably wouldn't effect growth, I've seen in studies that it (estrogen, non inhibited by aromatase inhibition) could have a slight positive effect on growth BECAUSE estrogen is a normal (until a certain threshold) hormone your body uses for regulating many things. However, growth on it is mostly an androgenic process, not affected by the estrogen significantly.

If you really really want growth, go with test gel and hCG injections.
Kim, S.-O., Ryu, K. H., Hwang, I. S., Jung, S. I., Oh, K. J., & Park, K. (2011, April). Penile growth in response to human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) treatment in patients with idiopathic hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism. Chonnam medical journal. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214853/

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according to this study,
in patients with low hCG, they gained significant growth with 3x week 1,500-2,000 IU of hCG adminstered intramuscularly, size grew significantly in 24 weeks. (flaccid length: from 3.39±1.03 cm to 5.14±1.39 cm).
"
Penile growth is under androgenic control. Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) has a stimulatory effect on testicular steroidogenesis and penile growth. The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect of hCG treatment on the gonadal response and penile growth in male idiopathic hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism (IHH) presenting with micropenis. A total of 20 IHH patients who met the criteria for micropenis were included in this study. hCG (1,500-2,000 IU) was administrated intramuscularly, 3 times per week, for 8 weeks. Basic laboratory and hormonal indexes (including serum testosterone and LH levels), penis length (flaccid and stretched), and testicular volume were measured before and 24 weeks after hCG treatment. The patients' mean age was 18.9 years (range, 12 to 24 years). The mean serum testosterone level was significantly increased after hCG treatment (baseline, 2, 4, 12, and 24 weeks: 0.90±1.35 ng/ml, 1.77±1.31 ng/ml, 3.74±2.24 ng/ml, 5.49±1.70 ng/ml, and 5.58±1.75 ng/ml, respectively; p<0.05). Mean penile length also increased significantly 24 weeks after treatment (flaccid length: from 3.39±1.03 cm to 5.14±1.39 cm; stretched length: from 5.41±1.43 cm to 7.45±1.70 cm; p<0.001). Mean testicular volumes increased significantly as well (left: from 5.45 cc to 6.83 cc; right: from 5.53 cc to 7.03 cc). There were no remarkable adverse effects of the hCG treatment. The hCG treatment increased the serum testosterone level, penile length, and testicular volume in IHH patients. Our results suggest that hCG treatment has a beneficial effect on gonadal function and penile growth in patients with IHH presenting with micropenis.

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However, im gonna assume you DONT have IHH, and have standard hCG production so, you probably wont see any SIGNIFICANT* growth unless your 8-15, 16 at the LATEST.

* significant: since growth is affected by LH, TEST, and hCG, you probably would see some growth.

Thank you for the effort reply. I'm gonna turn 16, and yeah don't got IHH, so I guess I could see some growth. After reading that, I'd assume the best stuff for me to take would be something like:

-Aromasin (it would leave a bit of the estrogen still, I'm assuming the extra testosterone would be more benefical than the estrogen)
-Either testosterone gel, nasal spray or low-dose roids
-hCG nasal form?

If you've still got time I got some questions though.

Why do you recommend testosterone gel instead of DHT gel applied to the penis?
And I don't know much about hCG, but is it safe to take as a teen my age, and would it mess with other parts of the body?
What dosage should I take it in? Does taking it inhibit it's natural production by the body?

 

[Deleted member 58492]

Aromasin (it would leave a bit of the estrogen still, I'm assuming the extra testosterone would be more benefical than the estrogen)

This seems okay to do, but make sure you do not crash your e2.

Either testosterone gel, nasal spray or low-dose roids

Test gel would be the most beneficial route.

hCG nasal form?

hCG nasal form is an iffy subject, the dosages differ and its hard to translate, and it is a real pain in the ass.
I understand if you can't use needles, however I really reccomend needles for more accurate dosing.

Why do you recommend testosterone gel instead of DHT gel applied to the penis?

DHT is a byproduct of TEST, and by putting test gel on it, you also increase DHT.
According to: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24555-dht-dihydrotestosterone
"your body converts about 10% of your testosterone (the main androgen) into DHT each day. This takes place in the genital skin and prostate in people"
DHT also has all sorts of nasty affects, ranging from hair thinning to heightend chance of prostate cancer.
Testeosterone is also the main anabolic hormone that affects male growth in the body. I reccomend a low dose for 1 month of testeosterone gel, just to see how your body reacts to it.
I also highly reccomend blood tests to ensure everything is normal, and frequent check-ups (every 3-4 months.)

What dosage should I take it in?

What dosage should I take it in? - hCG, go on low dose for 12 weeks, see growth, increase if nescessary.
Dosages: starting: 200-250Iu every other day, increase by 100 after 12, and recheck.
test gel? 1 pump seems good but it depends on the brand.

Does taking it inhibit it's natural production by the body?

hCG injections do not inhibit the bodies natural hCG production, it even increases testeosterone significantly, and has many benefits (its on many TRT regiments.) Test Gel? Yes. It does, however the combination of hCG and AIs and Test Gel should cause it to increase. Your gonna need a PCT after (reddit can help with this, or another post), and expect a rebound when stopping gel.

*only for harm reduction**

 

[JCaesar]

This seems okay to do, but make sure you do not crash your e2.

Test gel would be the most beneficial route.

hCG nasal form is an iffy subject, the dosages differ and its hard to translate, and it is a real pain in the ass.
I understand if you can't use needles, however I really reccomend needles for more accurate dosing.


DHT is a byproduct of TEST, and by putting test gel on it, you also increase DHT.
According to: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24555-dht-dihydrotestosterone
"your body converts about 10% of your testosterone (the main androgen) into DHT each day. This takes place in the genital skin and prostate in people"
DHT also has all sorts of nasty affects, ranging from hair thinning to heightend chance of prostate cancer.
Testeosterone is also the main anabolic hormone that affects male growth in the body. I reccomend a low dose for 1 month of testeosterone gel, just to see how your body reacts to it.
I also highly reccomend blood tests to ensure everything is normal, and frequent check-ups (every 3-4 months.)

What dosage should I take it in? - hCG, go on low dose for 12 weeks, see growth, increase if nescessary.
Dosages: starting: 200-250Iu every other day, increase by 100 after 12, and recheck.
test gel? 1 pump seems good but it depends on the brand.


hCG injections do not inhibit the bodies natural hCG production, it even increases testeosterone significantly, and has many benefits (its on many TRT regiments.) Test Gel? Yes. It does, however the combination of hCG and AIs and Test Gel should cause it to increase. Your gonna need a PCT after (reddit can help with this, or another post), and expect a rebound when stopping gel.

*only for harm reduction**

Thanks man, appreciate you taking time to answer those questions. I will try getting hCG in needle form, the spray was more of an easier way to hide and apply it.

Also apologize for asking again, but I still got a few things:

Should I apply the gel directly onto the penis, or anywhere else in the body?
Any harm or difference in taking those combined with hgh, or igf-1?
Also what blood test frequency do you recommend? Cause it could be pretty hard for me to get frequent ones. Talkin about that, could the doctors know I have that stuff in my bloodstream when taking it?

Again apologize for asking a lot but would appreciate it a bunch if you could help me there too

 

[Deleted member 58492]

Thanks man, appreciate you taking time to answer those questions. I will try getting hCG in needle form, the spray was more of an easier way to hide and apply it.

Of course, don't worry about it.

Should I apply the gel directly onto the penis, or anywhere else in the body?

Depends on the gel, but I wouldn't reccomend applying it to the shaft, you should apply it to your arms.
Search up a simple tutorial, but usually find a dry intact piece of skin, could be your arms/shoulder area, or even your stomach for certain gels. Make sure you don't get the gel on other things such as your pets or family members (not trying to give grandpa roid rage).
Make sure the area is dry, apply it, wait atleast 10-20 minutes to put on clothing. I reccomend washing your clothes seperately.
Do not shower within 2-3 hours.

Any harm or difference in taking those combined with hgh, or igf-1?

It should be fine, however I reccomend further research(brands for the gel, dosage, etc.) is highly reccomend since im not completely aware of your situation.

Also what blood test frequency do you recommend?

As much as you possibly can. Even if its once a year, I reccomend it. You could even possibly do at-home if you find a good brand.

I have that stuff in my bloodstream when taking it?

Pharma IGF-1 and HGH? No. (unless its extremely bad and synthetic, natural has lower probability.)
Test Gel? Possibly, but only with specific tests. hCG? Low probabilty, especially if its pharma grade.
However, you should still do more research especially on the type of GH your taken (different brands have different metrics and percentiles.)
Aromtase inhibitors can be problamatic, as if I recall, I remember someones doctor taking a urine sample, and they discovered "suspicous enzymes that should not be there", so again, tread with caution.


*post made for harm reduction**

 

[strawberrymushroom]

AI probably wouldn't effect growth, I've seen in studies that it (estrogen, non inhibited by aromatase inhibition) could have a slight positive effect on growth BECAUSE estrogen is a normal (until a certain threshold) hormone your body uses for regulating many things. However, growth on it is mostly an androgenic process, not affected by the estrogen significantly.

If you really really want growth, go with test gel and hCG injections.
Kim, S.-O., Ryu, K. H., Hwang, I. S., Jung, S. I., Oh, K. J., & Park, K. (2011, April). Penile growth in response to human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) treatment in patients with idiopathic hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism. Chonnam medical journal. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214853/

--
according to this study,
in patients with low hCG, they gained significant growth with 3x week 1,500-2,000 IU of hCG adminstered intramuscularly, size grew significantly in 24 weeks. (flaccid length: from 3.39±1.03 cm to 5.14±1.39 cm).
"
Penile growth is under androgenic control. Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) has a stimulatory effect on testicular steroidogenesis and penile growth. The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect of hCG treatment on the gonadal response and penile growth in male idiopathic hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism (IHH) presenting with micropenis. A total of 20 IHH patients who met the criteria for micropenis were included in this study. hCG (1,500-2,000 IU) was administrated intramuscularly, 3 times per week, for 8 weeks. Basic laboratory and hormonal indexes (including serum testosterone and LH levels), penis length (flaccid and stretched), and testicular volume were measured before and 24 weeks after hCG treatment. The patients' mean age was 18.9 years (range, 12 to 24 years). The mean serum testosterone level was significantly increased after hCG treatment (baseline, 2, 4, 12, and 24 weeks: 0.90±1.35 ng/ml, 1.77±1.31 ng/ml, 3.74±2.24 ng/ml, 5.49±1.70 ng/ml, and 5.58±1.75 ng/ml, respectively; p<0.05). Mean penile length also increased significantly 24 weeks after treatment (flaccid length: from 3.39±1.03 cm to 5.14±1.39 cm; stretched length: from 5.41±1.43 cm to 7.45±1.70 cm; p<0.001). Mean testicular volumes increased significantly as well (left: from 5.45 cc to 6.83 cc; right: from 5.53 cc to 7.03 cc). There were no remarkable adverse effects of the hCG treatment. The hCG treatment increased the serum testosterone level, penile length, and testicular volume in IHH patients. Our results suggest that hCG treatment has a beneficial effect on gonadal function and penile growth in patients with IHH presenting with micropenis.

"
However, im gonna assume you DONT have IHH, and have standard hCG production so, you probably wont see any SIGNIFICANT* growth unless your 8-15, 16 at the LATEST.

* significant: since growth is affected by LH, TEST, and hCG, you probably would see some growth.

So this shit saids it went from a micro size to 7.45 inches?