UPDATE: Cycle update, please help me all help is appreciated

[ifuckinghatemyself]

I greet you once again my beloved Pillers,

I apologize in advance if I have neglected some advice and ask once again for assistance, which would mean a lot to me, I mirror every single comment with appreciation and gratefulness. I´ve came to somewhat of an conclusion and im pretty "confident" in this cycle and would love to know your opinions.

HGH 6IU ED (IF plates r open, as Long as possible)
Tren E 50mg Monday and Thursday, 100mg Weekly, 8 Weeks
Test E 150mg Monday and Thursday, 300mg Weekly, 8 Weeks
Anavar 20mg ED, 10mg AM 10mg PM, 8 Weeks
AI (Arimidex) .5mg EOD, for the same lenght I take GH
TUDCA 500mg ED, Split into AM and PM (250mg each), 8 weeks
NAC 1200mg ED, Split into AM and PM (600 each), 8 Weeks


This cycle is to build a base, once im older ill probably use stuff like GHK-CU and/or accutane, still got no response from the Job Application I sent to the bakery but I sent two more out to LIDL, wish me luck guys (sorry for the unnecessary comment). I wouldnt have any problems with sticking to low dosages, since some were worried that I couldnt stick to it (thanks for worrying about me, means a lot) If some questions still lay open, feel free to ask and please stay kind to each other and face each other with respect and understanding, even if they talk absolute nonsense

Thank you for reading and I wish you guys the best, have a great rest of your day

 

[Dave1]

thing is, whats the purpose of this cycle? what do u want for this cycle to do to u?

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

thing is, whats the purpose of this cycle? what do u want for this cycle to do to u?

My hopes are to achieve more dimorphism, improve my frame in height as well as width and just increase overall bonemass and appeal hopefully as well

 

[Dave1]

what is ur age? and did u have a growth plate scan?

My hopes are to achieve more dimorphism, improve my frame in height as well as width and just increase overall bonemass and appeal hopefully as well

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

what is ur age? and did u have a growth plate scan?

Im 16 and no I'm planning to X-ray my wrist as well as my knee

 

[Dave1]

in that case

Tren E 50mg Monday and Thursday, 100mg Weekly, 8 Weeks

tren has metabolites that will suppress u for roughly have a year to a year. only semi good for people on trt

Test E 150mg Monday and Thursday, 300mg Weekly, 8 Weeks

alot of ppl get it wrong thinking u can just run a 8 week cycle and get dimorphism. even the muscle gain at 8 weeks is minimal. you're better off running 200mg permanently with something like hcg on the side to make sure ur balls dont look like raisins at 16

Anavar 20mg ED, 10mg AM 10mg PM, 8 Weeks

same with the anavar, this cycle is good for people looking to gain muscle and loose fat only. you're better off running 5mg ED permanently like they did in a study which showed increased height in kids.

AI (Arimidex) .5mg EOD, for the same lenght I take GH

arimidex is non suicidal, meaning when u stop using it ur estrogen will bounce back like crazy and accelerate plate closure. better off with aromasin which when u hop off ur estrogen slowly rises to normal levels.

TUDCA 500mg ED, Split into AM and PM (250mg each), 8 weeks
NAC 1200mg ED, Split into AM and PM (600 each), 8 Weeks

not rlly needed since the anavar dose would be so low. i get why u'd use it since the tren but i wouldnt recommend the tren in the first place. however to minimize risks u could take it anyway since the anavar is being run for so long

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

bump

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

tren has metabolites that will suppress u for roughly have a year to a year. only semi good for people on trt

Is it even that big of a concern if i use this low of a dosage? I know im 16 and itll be my first cycle but still, i got Tudca and Nac, or would you recommend something different?

alot of ppl get it wrong thinking u can just run a 8 week cycle and get dimorphism. even the muscle gain at 8 weeks is minimal. you're better off running 200mg permanently with something like hcg on the side to make sure ur balls dont look like raisins at 16

what dosage hcg and for the same amount i take test? do i inject daily or can i do Mo and Thu when i´d be injecting my tren and test as well, i can abort tren but dont really want to idk why

same with the anavar, this cycle is good for people looking to gain muscle and loose fat only. you're better off running 5mg ED permanently like they did in a study which showed increased height in kids.

could you provide the study if you dont mind i wanna look into this as well

arimidex is non suicidal, meaning when u stop using it ur estrogen will bounce back like crazy and accelerate plate closure. better off with aromasin which when u hop off ur estrogen slowly rises to normal levels.

alr so ill use 12.5mg EOD aromasin then

not rlly needed since the anavar dose would be so low. i get why u'd use it since the tren but i wouldnt recommend the tren in the first place. however to minimize risks u could take it anyway since the anavar is being run for so long

is liver toxicity not a concern really? please rate my new cycle "idea" and give me feedback on it


HGH 6IU ED (IF plates r open, as Long as possible)
Tren E 50mg Monday and Thursday, 100mg Weekly, 8 Weeks
Test E 100mg Monday and Thursday, 200mg Weekly, permanently
Anavar 5mg ED, for the same lenght I take GH
AI (Aromasin) 12.5mg EOD, for the same lenght I take GH
Mcg, ???mg ??, for the same lenght I take test
TUDCA 500mg ED, Split into AM and PM (250mg each), 8 weeks
NAC 1200mg ED, Split into AM and PM (600 each), 8 Weeks

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

in that case


tren has metabolites that will suppress u for roughly have a year to a year. only semi good for people on trt

alot of ppl get it wrong thinking u can just run a 8 week cycle and get dimorphism. even the muscle gain at 8 weeks is minimal. you're better off running 200mg permanently with something like hcg on the side to make sure ur balls dont look like raisins at 16

same with the anavar, this cycle is good for people looking to gain muscle and loose fat only. you're better off running 5mg ED permanently like they did in a study which showed increased height in kids.

arimidex is non suicidal, meaning when u stop using it ur estrogen will bounce back like crazy and accelerate plate closure. better off with aromasin which when u hop off ur estrogen slowly rises to normal levels.


not rlly needed since the anavar dose would be so low. i get why u'd use it since the tren but i wouldnt recommend the tren in the first place. however to minimize risks u could take it anyway since the anavar is being run for so long

oh and i also wanted to ask, can I expect a deeper voice from this as well?

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

bump please someone help

 

[Will_381231]

no tren lmao. just up the dose of testosterone. more var. tren is not height safe

 

[Dave1]

Is it even that big of a concern if i use this low of a dosage? I know im 16 and itll be my first cycle but still, i got Tudca and Nac, or would you recommend something different?

yes it is tren itself is very potent alot of people get sides at 100mg let alone 50mg. the tudca and nac is for ur liver, fine. but consider ur HPTA getting fucked. ofc its not 100% u'll become infertile forever but i would never recommend tren.

could you provide the study if you dont mind i wanna look into this as well

alright. https://academic.oup.com/ejendo/art...94345?redirectedFrom=fulltext#google_vignette

alr so ill use 12.5mg EOD aromasin then

yeah that could work. if sides lower dose. if no sides try 12.5 ED. vice versa

what dosage hcg and for the same amount i take test? do i inject daily or can i do Mo and Thu when i´d be injecting my tren and test as well, i can abort tren but dont really want to idk why

take hcg basically permanently if u want. what it does it tells ur balls to produce test but not alot depending on dosing so its not too harsh. so yeah u can do it permanently. cycle regimen is 250ius EOD or u can also do Mon Thur Fri for hcg. ofcourse when ur on all this shit defo do bloodwork. we don't want ur test to be insanely high or too low since u and i have no clue how u respond to exogenous test

is liver toxicity not a concern really? please rate my new cycle "idea" and give me feedback on it

on a dose of 5mg anavar, not rlly. but over say maybe 6 months there might be "some" damage and by that i mean the smallest amount. but like i said u can run it anyway during ur anavar use

 

[Dave1]

HGH 6IU ED (IF plates r open, as Long as possible)

yeah sure. 6 ius is basically minimum tho u could run up to 10ius if no sides, it'll give the most height

Tren E 50mg Monday and Thursday, 100mg Weekly, 8 Weeks

no nigga i said no tren trust me do not hop on tren

Test E 100mg Monday and Thursday, 200mg Weekly, permanently

the enanthate ester needs dosing EOD for stable levels. if u wanna do twice use the cypionate ester

Anavar 5mg ED, for the same lenght I take GH

yup

AI (Aromasin) 12.5mg EOD, for the same lenght I take GH

run AI ASAP. yes like i said. if sides lower dose. if no sides try 12.5 ED. vice versa

Mcg, ???mg ??, for the same lenght I take test

im assuming u mean hcg. like i said: take hcg basically permanently if u want. what it does it tells ur balls to produce test but not alot depending on dosing so its not too harsh. so yeah u can do it permanently. cycle regimen is 250ius EOD or u can also do Mon Thur Fri for hcg. ofcourse when ur on all this shit defo do bloodwork. we don't want ur test to be insanely high or too low since u and i have no clue how u respond to exogenous test

TUDCA 500mg ED, Split into AM and PM (250mg each), 8 weeks
NAC 1200mg ED, Split into AM and PM (600 each), 8 Weeks

u can run it same time as ur running anavar only to be safe. but like i said at 5mg u dont really need liver support

 

[Dave1]

no tren lmao. just up the dose of testosterone. more var. tren is not height safe

no better off running var lower and longer for height. not higher dose of test since lower dose + longer time = more height with hcg counteracting permanent infertility.

 

[Will_381231]

no better off running var lower and longer for height. not higher dose of test since lower dose + longer time = more height with hcg counteracting permanent infertility.

that makes no sense. testosterone is height safe in any dose as long as estrodial is controlled

 

[Dave1]

that makes no sense. testosterone is height safe in any dose as long as estrodial is controlled

height safe yes. body safe no. ur not supposed to have such high test. say OP ran 400mg permanently. thats an insane level of testosterone for years which will defo shave a couple years of OP's life and/or cause heart problems. plus at a certain test dose ur not gonna gain more height.

 

[Will_381231]

height safe yes. body safe no. ur not supposed to have such high test. say OP ran 400mg permanently. thats an insane level of testosterone for years which will defo shave a couple years of OP's life and/or cause heart problems. plus at a certain test dose ur not gonna gain more height.

very low iq. post to rep ratio explains everything. "ur not supposed to have such high test" no shit. why the fuck do you think people hop on steroids? "shaving years off of your life" gear doesn't linearly shave years off of your life, not how it works.

 

[Dave1]

very low iq. post to rep ratio explains everything. "ur not supposed to have such high test" no shit. why the fuck do you think people hop on steroids? "shaving years off of your life" gear doesn't linearly shave years off of your life, not how it works.

yeah i know. people hop on roids knowing that they're doing it for muscle u fucktard. OP just needs "This cycle is to build a base". + roid cycles usually last 12 to 24 weeks regardless of dose (exeptions being most orals).

 

[Will_381231]

yeah i know. people hop on roids knowing that they're doing it for muscle u fucktard. OP just needs "This cycle is to build a base". + roid cycles usually last 12 to 24 weeks regardless of dose (exeptions being most orals).

and im commenting on his cycle? fucktard. 20var is a fucking women dose. 300 test is low. tren is illogical given his age. never give roid advice again grey

 

[Dave1]

and im commenting on his cycle? fucktard. 20var is a fucking women dose. 300 test is low. tren is illogical given his age. never give roid advice again grey

stfu u have no idea what ur on about. the 5mg var is for the height. u dont need more from studies to gain more height. 20mg long term would fry his liver u retard. 300 test is low for a ROID CYCLE ffs. 200mg is perfectly fine if not slightly high to cruise on. yes tren is illogical. retard not getting my point and OP's request. common sense says im right so jfl

 

[Will_381231]

stfu u have no idea what ur on about. the 5mg var is for the height. u dont need more from studies to gain more height. 20mg long term would fry his liver u retard. 300 test is low for a ROID CYCLE ffs. 200mg is perfectly fine if not slightly high to cruise on. yes tren is illogical. retard not getting my point and OP's request. common sense says im right so jfl

when the fuck did I ever recommend anavar long term? you are completely misunderstanding context.

post 2 rep ratio explains everything

 

[Dave1]

when the fuck did I ever recommend anavar long term? you are completely misunderstanding context.

then short term wont give OP any height? even if it did maybe 0.2mm. in that case its useless to use anavar at a high dose for short term? better of using lower dose for a longer duration? post 2 rep ratio means nothing in this case ur just low iq who read a couple threads and thinks he's @Clavicular

 

[Will_381231]

then short term wont give OP any height? even if it did maybe 0.2mm. in that case its useless to use anavar at a high dose for short term? better of using lower dose for a longer duration? post 2 rep ratio means nothing in this case ur just low iq who read a couple threads and thinks he's @Clavicular

how am i remotely similar to clavicular? grey just pulling out random people. you have never touched a roid in your life. stop giving advice on things you dont even use

 

[Dave1]

how am i remotely similar to clavicular? grey just pulling out random people. you have never touched a roid in your life. stop giving advice on things you dont even use

if u've read any of my other forums i've done a proper cycle along with PCT, and some mk677 cycles i did when i was young. jst admit ur wrong ur longing this unneeded beef jfl

 

[Will_381231]

if u've read any of my other forums i've done a proper cycle along with PCT, and some mk677 cycles i did when i was young. jst admit ur wrong ur longing this unneeded beef jfl

im not wrong I just think we are arguing over simple things that dont matter. yes shorter dose var long term vs higher dose short term are both fine options, imo the test should be higher.

 

[Dave1]

im not wrong I just think we are arguing over simple things that dont matter. yes shorter dose var long term vs higher dose short term are both fine options, imo the test should be higher.

no man wtf. ur body doesnt grow on a 6 week cycle of anavar. studies show it grows on 5mg long term like a year+. test being higher is up to OP weather or not they care about sides but like i said more test doesnt always equal more height especially if ur already at a supraphysiological level

 

[Will_381231]

no man wtf. ur body doesnt grow on a 6 week cycle of anavar. studies show it grows on 5mg long term like a year+. test being higher is up to OP weather or not they care about sides but like i said more test doesnt always equal more height especially if ur already at a supraphysiological level

im not talking in a height context lmao. nor did i even say a var cycle length.

 

[Dave1]

im not talking in a height context lmao. nor did i even say a var cycle length.

fair enough. OP asked for achieve more dimorphism, improve my frame in height as well as width" though. i gave him the most optimal cycle plan for that specifically. my one was balanced between height and frame and muscle ect. ur one prioritises muscle mass

 

[Will_381231]

fair enough. OP asked for achieve more dimorphism, improve my frame in height as well as width" though. i gave him the most optimal cycle plan for that specifically. my one was balanced between height and frame and muscle ect. ur one prioritises muscle mass

yep ngl i didnt read the entire goals just the cycle. yes your stack is better long term, correct. just a misunderstanding brotha

 

[Dave1]

yep ngl i didnt read the entire goals just the cycle. yes your stack is better long term, correct. just a misunderstanding brotha

nahh bro no problem, respect the honesty

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

yes it is tren itself is very potent alot of people get sides at 100mg let alone 50mg. the tudca and nac is for ur liver, fine. but consider ur HPTA getting fucked. ofc its not 100% u'll become infertile forever but i would never recommend tren.

alr ill remove tren then

alright. https://academic.oup.com/ejendo/art...94345?redirectedFrom=fulltext#google_vignette

thanks ill look into it

yeah that could work. if sides lower dose. if no sides try 12.5 ED. vice versa

bet

take hcg basically permanently if u want. what it does it tells ur balls to produce test but not alot depending on dosing so its not too harsh. so yeah u can do it permanently. cycle regimen is 250ius EOD or u can also do Mon Thur Fri for hcg. ofcourse when ur on all this shit defo do bloodwork. we don't want ur test to be insanely high or too low since u and i have no clue how u respond to exogenous test

good to know

 

[Dave1]

alr ill remove tren then

thanks ill look into it

bet

good to know

nice man

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

yeah sure. 6 ius is basically minimum tho u could run up to 10ius if no sides, it'll give the most height

ill maybe dose it up to 8IU, isnt acromegaly a concern?

no nigga i said no tren trust me do not hop on tren

done

the enanthate ester needs dosing EOD for stable levels. if u wanna do twice use the cypionate ester

so test c instead of e okay

run AI ASAP. yes like i said. if sides lower dose. if no sides try 12.5 ED. vice versa

ill order it as soon as i can

im assuming u mean hcg. like i said: take hcg basically permanently if u want. what it does it tells ur balls to produce test but not alot depending on dosing so its not too harsh. so yeah u can do it permanently. cycle regimen is 250ius EOD or u can also do Mon Thur Fri for hcg. ofcourse when ur on all this shit defo do bloodwork. we don't want ur test to be insanely high or too low since u and i have no clue how u respond to exogenous test

thanks for the explanation

u can run it same time as ur running anavar only to be safe. but like i said at 5mg u dont really need liver support

i removed tudca as well as nac cause i removed the tren

 

[Dave1]

ill maybe dose it up to 8IU, isnt acromegaly a concern?

acromegaly is a concern roughly 10 ius or more. but ur genetics control at what dose u'll get acromegaly. 8 ius u should be safe.

ill order it as soon as i can

thanks for the explanation

no problem man

i removed tudca as well as nac cause i removed the tren

if money's not a problem u could run it alongside the anavar to be on the safe side

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

if u've read any of my other forums i've done a proper cycle along with PCT, and some mk677 cycles i did when i was young. jst admit ur wrong ur longing this unneeded beef jfl

can you tell me about your experiences with your cycle? the proper one as well as the mk one

and can i expect a deeper voice from my stack as well?

 

[Dave1]

can you tell me about your experiences with your cycle? the proper one as well as the mk one

the mk cycles were just me tryna grow taller lmao. didnt do anything except make me prediabetic for a month, make me insanely lethargic but made me very strong and physique looked bigger from water retention. keep in mind i was using like 40mg because younger me was stupid and didnt feel anything

my proper cycle was 200 test c 200 masteron enan 10 weeks. i gained stupid amounts of strength like bench jumped from 60kg to 80kg. skin was way better. physique exploded i was up like 10kg. total lean mass gain might've been like 2kg at best because i PCT'd shit.

and can i expect a deeper voice from my stack as well?

long term like 1+ years yeah very likely

 

[genetically fucked]

bone mass? hahaha

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

bone mass? hahaha

wdym

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

the mk cycles were just me tryna grow taller lmao. didnt do anything except make me prediabetic for a month, make me insanely lethargic but made me very strong and physique looked bigger from water retention. keep in mind i was using like 40mg because younger me was stupid and didnt feel anything

my proper cycle was 200 test c 200 masteron enan 10 weeks. i gained stupid amounts of strength like bench jumped from 60kg to 80kg. skin was way better. physique exploded i was up like 10kg. total lean mass gain might've been like 2kg at best because i PCT'd shit.


long term like 1+ years yeah very likely

thanks for the explanation


sorry for spaming you hopefully it doesnt annoy you.

i wanted to know if it would be dumb if I just ordered var+AI as soon as i can and test+hcg+GH when im able to. or should i start using var when i order the other stuff as well

 

[Dave1]

since var will supress u just hop on AI ASAP. start var when u start test and hcg

 

[Dave1]

sorry for spaming you hopefully it doesnt annoy you.

ive researched ts for too long for this info to go to waste lmfao dw

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

ive researched ts for too long for this info to go to waste lmfao dw

Hey Dave hope youre doing good, I´ve been thinking about ordering AI,MK-677 and Winstrol (would be taking winstrol 4 weeks) but im worried about liver toxicity and needing a pct and ive read too much mixed stuff, can you help me out? i´d prob take 12.5mg AI EOD, MK-677 25mg before bed and 50mg Winstrol, would you recommend?

 

[Dave1]

Hey Dave hope youre doing good

yes i am

I´ve been thinking about ordering AI

yes order AI ASAP and hop on it ASAP since we dont wanna waste any time ur plates are closing a little every day

MK-677

u could use mk677 but idk about running it since the hgh will carry u for getting taller. i mean u COULD if u want why not but HGH + mk677 will spike ur blood glucose alot if u wanna use it sure just keep the dose at 10mg ED.

Winstrol

wouldnt recommend winstrol to anyone unless ur going on contest prep lmfao. the hgh, var and test will provide enough anabolism bro

liver toxicity and needing a pct

yes it is VERY liver toxic. and u wont have to do PCT because of the winstrol later on you're going to have to PCT anyway because the test will supress u. but PCT only when ur like hopping off all androgens like the var and test.

12.5mg AI EOD

play around with the doses. try 12.5 EOD for a bit, if u experience no sides try 12.5 ED. if u have sides at 12.5 ED then ofc go back down to EOD.

25mg before bed

10mg before bed if ur gonna run it (this is completely up to u since idk about combining hgh + mk677 but i dont think its gonna be that bad)

50mg Winstrol

nahh no winstrol bro u dont need it.

 

[Dave1]

also i hope you know that the testosterone will supress u completely. in a couple years when u stop growing and u wanna like become 100% natural u needa PCT to restart ur balls (the hcg is there to keep ur balls semi alive) since if u just hop off testosterone without doing anything ur natural testosterone will become close to 0 (not life threatening you'll just feel like utter shit and loose alot of muscle).

also i'd say go gym like 2 to 3x a week. no more than this because too much gym can take away resources from growing taller to building muscle. also just a heads up, when ur on ts ur testosterone is gonna be very high. short term no problem but long term it can have some negatives which you'll only experience later in life when ur like 50 years old. so this cycle is kind of all out while keeping risks low.

also u need to definetely get blood tests. run everything and wait like a month. if everything looks fine get a blood test 3 months after that. if everything fine get blood tests every 6 months thereafter. of course keep me and .org posted on side effects and anything u need to ask incase i cant respond. ur biggest problems early on are basically just HDL and LDL. of course get proclactin and e2 panel aswell, testosterone panel aswell but all of that ill explain when ur on cycle.

if u cant get blood tests for any reason lmk i can give u a cycle that doesnt rlly need them.

@NumbThePain make me subadmin atp fr

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

yes i am

glad to hear that

yes order AI ASAP and hop on it ASAP since we dont wanna waste any time ur plates are closing a little every day

u could use mk677 but idk about running it since the hgh will carry u for getting taller. i mean u COULD if u want why not but HGH + mk677 will spike ur blood glucose alot if u wanna use it sure just keep the dose at 10mg ED.

wouldnt recommend winstrol to anyone unless ur going on contest prep lmfao. the hgh, var and test will provide enough anabolism bro

yes it is VERY liver toxic. and u wont have to do PCT because of the winstrol later on you're going to have to PCT anyway because the test will supress u. but PCT only when ur like hopping off all androgens like the var and test.

play around with the doses. try 12.5 EOD for a bit, if u experience no sides try 12.5 ED. if u have sides at 12.5 ED then ofc go back down to EOD.

10mg before bed if ur gonna run it (this is completely up to u since idk about combining hgh + mk677 but i dont think its gonna be that bad)

nahh no winstrol bro u dont need it.

sorry for not giving context, i wouldnt be able to run hgh and test and var anytime soon maybe in 2-3 months and i would want to start mk till i can order gh and winstrol till 4 weeks pass yk?

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

also i hope you know that the testosterone will supress u completely. in a couple years when u stop growing and u wanna like become 100% natural u needa PCT to restart ur balls (the hcg is there to keep ur balls semi alive) since if u just hop off testosterone without doing anything ur natural testosterone will become close to 0 (not life threatening you'll just feel like utter shit and loose alot of muscle).

what pct would you recommend and for how long

also i'd say go gym like 2 to 3x a week. no more than this because too much gym can take away resources from growing taller to building muscle. also just a heads up, when ur on ts ur testosterone is gonna be very high. short term no problem but long term it can have some negatives which you'll only experience later in life when ur like 50 years old. so this cycle is kind of all out while keeping risks low.

does the split matter? and can i also participate in any sporty activities during the week as well? and what can i expect at 50 yrs old?

also u need to definetely get blood tests. run everything and wait like a month. if everything looks fine get a blood test 3 months after that. if everything fine get blood tests every 6 months thereafter. of course keep me and .org posted on side effects and anything u need to ask incase i cant respond. ur biggest problems early on are basically just HDL and LDL. of course get proclactin and e2 panel aswell, testosterone panel aswell but all of that ill explain when ur on cycle.

if u cant get blood tests for any reason lmk i can give u a cycle that doesnt rlly need them

thank you bro

@NumbThePain make me subadmin atp fr

fr subadmin this guy

 

[aids]

in that case


tren has metabolites that will suppress u for roughly have a year to a year. only semi good for people on trt

alot of ppl get it wrong thinking u can just run a 8 week cycle and get dimorphism. even the muscle gain at 8 weeks is minimal. you're better off running 200mg permanently with something like hcg on the side to make sure ur balls dont look like raisins at 16

same with the anavar, this cycle is good for people looking to gain muscle and loose fat only. you're better off running 5mg ED permanently like they did in a study which showed increased height in kids.

arimidex is non suicidal, meaning when u stop using it ur estrogen will bounce back like crazy and accelerate plate closure. better off with aromasin which when u hop off ur estrogen slowly rises to normal levels.


not rlly needed since the anavar dose would be so low. i get why u'd use it since the tren but i wouldnt recommend the tren in the first place. however to minimize risks u could take it anyway since the anavar is being run for so long

You realise that non-steroidal AI is the only AI used in a clinical setting for delaying epiphyseal plate closure? The only reason you’d “bounce back” is if you hop off cold turkey, which people on non-steroidal know not to do.

 

[ifuckinghatemyself]

You realise that non-steroidal AI is the only AI used in a clinical setting for delaying epiphyseal plate closure? The only reason you’d “bounce back” is if you hop off cold turkey, which people on non-steroidal know not to do.

Would you mind to explain further? I can't quite follow, apologies

 

[aids]

Would you mind to explain further? I can't quite follow, apologies

Run steroidal AI on-cycle, non-steroidal off cycle. See my posts on "non-steroidal AI" for explanations.

 

[aids]

Would you mind to explain further? I can't quite follow, apologies

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