Update on hgh + other stuff “cycle”

[igf]

I’m 15 years old, 173cm (give or take).
Don’t want to do androgens yet purely because of aromatisation, yes inhibitors or low dose is possible but I’m going to try something else first.

Mainly for better skin, muscle growth, better sleep, height growth (genetically capped at 187cm ish).

theoretical cycle would be
-6 iu hgh (pm)
-2.5 mg ghk-cu daily
-20mg accutane
-berberine to combat insuline resistance (hgh)
-NAC to combat liver toxicity from accutane combined with alcohol consumption.

I know a test base would be beneficial, I’m open to add more stuff and make changes.

I’m using tretinoin now instead of isotretinoin. I’ve been on it for half a year and still keep getting some pimples.

Tell me what you’d change or add.

 

[Chudlite14]

I’m 15 years old, 173cm (give or take).
Don’t want to do androgens yet purely because of aromatisation, yes inhibitors or low dose is possible but I’m going to try something else first.

Mainly for better skin, muscle growth, better sleep, height growth (genetically capped at 187cm ish).

theoretical cycle would be
-6 iu hgh (pm)
-2.5 mg ghk-cu daily
-20mg accutane
-berberine to combat insuline resistance (hgh)
-NAC to combat liver toxicity from accutane combined with alcohol consumption.

I know a test base would be beneficial, I’m open to add more stuff and make changes.

I’m using tretinoin now instead of isotretinoin. I’ve been on it for half a year and still keep getting some pimples.

Tell me what you’d change or add.

Go to 8-12 iu of hgh, seeing as you're 15 and probably don't have a lot of knowledge on androgens, do NOT hop on, unless you very very very much know what you're doing. Lots of dudes on here treat androgens like it's just some injectable holy water with no downsides. Truth is, you can easily fuck yourself up if you don't know what you're doing. Plenty of evidence for that.

 

[igf]

Go to 8-12 iu of hgh, seeing as you're 15 and probably don't have a lot of knowledge on androgens, do NOT hop on, unless you very very very much know what you're doing. Lots of dudes on here treat androgens like it's just some injectable holy water with no downsides. Truth is, you can easily fuck yourself up if you don't know what you're doing. Plenty of evidence for that.

Just don’t want to do androgens first cycle and fuck something up and have my growth plates closed or something. Only thing I might do is like a very low test base for the synergy with hgh.

 

[Mr robot]

I’m 15 years old, 173cm (give or take).
Don’t want to do androgens yet purely because of aromatisation, yes inhibitors or low dose is possible but I’m going to try something else first.

Mainly for better skin, muscle growth, better sleep, height growth (genetically capped at 187cm ish).

theoretical cycle would be
-6 iu hgh (pm)
-2.5 mg ghk-cu daily
-20mg accutane
-berberine to combat insuline resistance (hgh)
-NAC to combat liver toxicity from accutane combined with alcohol consumption.

I know a test base would be beneficial, I’m open to add more stuff and make changes.

I’m using tretinoin now instead of isotretinoin. I’ve been on it for half a year and still keep getting some pimples.

Tell me what you’d change or add.

If your 173cm at 15 your not hitting above 180 probably even with hgh

 

[susisesi]

Id say drop the ghk untill your plates close.
I wouldn’t increase the isotret to over 20 too but at your age just running a topical might work better.

I think high dose gh is your best bet untill your plates close, just quit everything else.

 

[weluvpikachu]

Id say drop the ghk untill your plates close.
I wouldn’t increase the isotret to over 20 too but at your age just running a topical might work better.

I think high dose gh is your best bet untill your plates close, just quit everything else.

I have exactly the same stats as him, but why do you think you shouldnt dose over 20mg isotret? Im personally on 30mg

 

[susisesi]

I have exactly the same stats as him, but why do you think you shouldnt dose over 20mg isotret? Im personally on 30mg

The effect of isotretinoin treatment for acne vulgaris on height in adolescents: A retrospective cohort study using the Rochester Epidemiology Project

Isotretinoin is the first-line treatment for severe acne, but its effects on adolescent growth remain unclear.To assess the effects of isotretinoin on…

www.sciencedirect.com

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Vitamin-A-inhibits-the-increase-in-osteoblastic-genes-observed-in-response-to-loading_fig5_330563101

any vitamin A derivative interrupts with osteogenesis at any dose, isotretinoin is a vitamin A bomb which will rape your height

Your body can potentially compensate for the damage till 20mg but this isn’t the tolerable dose for everyone

Ngl its not my own research and I am not 100% sure. But I wouldn’t risk height gains for anything. My plates are already closed for height but I lowered my dose to 20mg for my clavicles.

I am not claiming isotret closes plates but I wouldn’t risk it tbh

 

[weluvpikachu]

The effect of isotretinoin treatment for acne vulgaris on height in adolescents: A retrospective cohort study using the Rochester Epidemiology Project

Isotretinoin is the first-line treatment for severe acne, but its effects on adolescent growth remain unclear.To assess the effects of isotretinoin on…

www.sciencedirect.com

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Vitamin-A-inhibits-the-increase-in-osteoblastic-genes-observed-in-response-to-loading_fig5_330563101

Ngl its not my own research and I am not 100% sure. But I wouldn’t risk height gains for anything. My plates are already closed for height but I lowered my dose to 20mg for my clavicles.

I am not claiming isotret closes plates but I wouldn’t risk it tbh

I understand your concern but again 30mg is still considered a very low dose. In the first study you listed it just explains that isotret can reduce height velocity, but there was no proof of it hindering one's final adult height.

In the second study you linked it says how an increased consumption of Vitamin A was associated with a decrease in cortical bone mass (outside of your bones, 80% of it, for you boyos who dont know, just putting this out there) and fracture risks but oh well nobody on this forum really cares about that.

After doing a bit of research, I can confirm that the second study is true, however, as long as you dont take Accutane for the rest of your life, you should be fine.

 

[susisesi]

I understand your concern but again 30mg is still considered a very low dose. In the first study you listed it just explains that isotret can reduce height velocity, but there was no proof of it hindering one's final adult height.

In the second study you linked it says how an increased consumption of Vitamin A was associated with a decrease in cortical bone mass (outside of your bones, 80% of it, for you boyos who dont know, just putting this out there) and fracture risks but oh well nobody on this forum really cares about that.

After doing a bit of research, I can confirm that the second study is true, however, as long as you dont take Accutane for the rest of your life, you should be fine.

I still think its not something to be risked ngl. I have used both tret and isotret (and am on 20mg isotret rn)

Why not just use <20mg doses and add topicals onto that if it is that severe?

for context before I did some research I ran 100mg (am 75kgs)

Tbh I never had much acne and am using the 20mg for slight increase and nose + lip gains

 

[weluvpikachu]

I still think its not something to be risked ngl. I have used both tret and isotret (and am on 20mg isotret rn)

Why not just use <20mg doses and add topicals onto that if it is that severe?

for context before I did some research I ran 100mg (am 75kgs)

Tbh I never had much acne and am using the 20mg for slight increase and nose + lip gains

Because <20mg doses do little to nothing, but I think its more dependent on weight. If ur BW tells you to take 40mg, and you really want to be safe just go down to 30mg. Most topicals wont get rid of tough acne scars compared to how isotret will.

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Go to 8-12 iu of hgh, seeing as you're 15 and probably don't have a lot of knowledge on androgens, do NOT hop on, unless you very very very much know what you're doing. Lots of dudes on here treat androgens like it's just some injectable holy water with no downsides. Truth is, you can easily fuck yourself up if you don't know what you're doing. Plenty of evidence for that.

its literally as simple as take hcg during cycle and taper out after, take aromasin after feeling estrogenic symptoms from aromatization, split dose2x test in week, and after, take clomid for 2-5 weeks 100mg first 2 and 50mg for 3 weeks

jfl

 

[Chudlite14]

its literally as simple as take hcg during cycle and taper out after, take aromasin after feeling estrogenic symptoms from aromatization, split dose2x test in week, and after, take clomid for 2-5 weeks 100mg first 2 and 50mg for 3 weeks

jfl

Bro no 15 year old should be on exogenous androgens, they’re full on in puberty why would you mess with the most crucial part of development, such a low iq thing to do.

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Bro no 15 year old should be on exogenous androgens, they’re full on in puberty why would you mess with the most crucial part of development, such a low iq thing to do.

explain why its bad

 

[Chudlite14]

explain why its bad

Why would you shut down your test production when it’s at it’s peak?

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Why would you shut down your test production when it’s at it’s peak?

because its not really at its peak, environment in todays society makes it hard to have high testosterone

 

[Chudlite14]

because its not really at its peak, environment in todays society makes it hard to have high testosterone

Very true it’s not at it’s peak in terms of human capabilities, but at it’s peak of development. I mean I just wouldn’t get why you would want to do smth like test the rest of your life.

 

[Zagro]

I understand your concern but again 30mg is still considered a very low dose. In the first study you listed it just explains that isotret can reduce height velocity, but there was no proof of it hindering one's final adult height.

In the second study you linked it says how an increased consumption of Vitamin A was associated with a decrease in cortical bone mass (outside of your bones, 80% of it, for you boyos who dont know, just putting this out there) and fracture risks but oh well nobody on this forum really cares about that.

After doing a bit of research, I can confirm that the second study is true, however, as long as you dont take Accutane for the rest of your life, you should be fine.

Yeah as long as you don’t take a poison the rest of your life you’re good to go bro just take it short-term it’s not like it’ll do any damage right

 

[weluvpikachu]

Yeah as long as you don’t take a poison the rest of your life you’re good to go bro just take it short-term it’s not like it’ll do any damage right

"The dose makes the poison"

 

[Deleted member 293380]

Wait is ghk bad for growth plates?

Id say drop the ghk untill your plates close.
I wouldn’t increase the isotret to over 20 too but at your age just running a topical might work better.

I think high dose gh is your best bet untill your plates close, just quit everything else.