Update: side profile post bimax

[NegativeNorwood]

99% of people here have single digit IQ, can't say shit with that amount of swelling. And even if you are fat, you have chad bones now and will be chad when lean, if you only got lean and didn't get surgeries you'll be just a lean normie. It's simple logic yet retards don't understand as usual.

Please post once the swelling goes down in a couple of months, in the meantime disconnect from here and just focus on your hobbies and following a good diet.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Yes. I also said it to him in DMs.

And I also said it to him under a different account a year ago.

but he is retarded.

Why would he get a necklift when he’s obesemaxxed? He should get low bf% first before considering it

 

[Artemis]

Why would he get a necklift when he’s obesemaxxed? He should get low bf% first before considering it

His submental looks like this due to incorrect muscle attachment. During the necklift, they dissect the muscle ligament, and re-suspend it further back on his jaw. And he gets that chad jawline due to this.

And ofc during the necklift they also liposuct him, and remove loose skin, but this is really not the main issue, because this he can do with the leanmax. But his neck muscle will not go anywhere no matter how lean he is.

 

[User49]

Yes. I also said it to him in DMs.

And I also said it to him under a different account a year ago.

but he is retarded.

he needs both tho

he basically needs every surgery that exists ngl

 

[It'snotover]

The only aesthetic benefits I expect from my Bimax are slightly straighter nose and a slightly bigger mandible.

The thing that’s ascending me the most is the genio and jaw widening. Infraorbital Implants should also provide adequate results as well since they’ll fix the issues with my eye area and bring my upper midface forward so I’m not chimpmaxxed from the genio + bimax

Keeping expectations low is a must when hardmaxxing, you are based expecting mostly minor changes in your aesthetics from le fort 1 alone. Notice how op's posture improved from pre op to post op, his airways literally opened. That's because bimax is a functional surgery and no matter how much the surgeon is blackpilled but it won't change your face much because there's much more than maxilla into craniofacial development. Will you get infras implants during bimax or after? Do you have scleral show? I absolutely need them because I have dark circles, even though I have 0 scleral show and tightening my lower lid could be a looksmin for me, then i would have aspie squinchy eyes. Probably an implant without the saddle would be the best option in my case.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

His submental looks like this due to incorrect muscle attachment. During the necklift, they dissect the muscle ligament, and re-suspend it further back on his jaw. And he gets that chad jawline due to this.

And ofc during the necklift they also liposuct him, and remove loose skin, but this is really not the main issue, because this he can do with the leanmax. But his neck muscle will not go anywhere no matter how lean he is.

I guess that’s true.

 

[Artemis]

he needs both tho

he basically needs every surgery that exists ngl

I think people should do only the surgeries that give them most points with acceptable risk.

OP literally skips the single best surgery he could do going for incredible tough trimax with implants to literally... ascend +1/10... arguable approach.

With rhino + necklift - easily +2/10 even without trimax and implants.

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Can you send ur body in pm? i wonder what bf you areM

His submental looks like this due to incorrect muscle attachment. During the necklift, they dissect the muscle ligament, and re-suspend it further back on his jaw. And he gets that chad jawline due to this.

And ofc during the necklift they also liposuct him, and remove loose skin, but this is really not the main issue, because this he can do with the leanmax. But his neck muscle will not go anywhere no matter how lean he is.

I’ve seen my CT and I don’t need neck lift. I will post when at PC

 

[Deleted member 20914]

I think people should do only the surgeries that give them most points with acceptable risk.

OP literally skips the single best surgery he could do going for incredible tough trimax with implants to literally... ascend +1/10... arguable approach.

With rhino + necklift - easily +2/10 even without trimax and implants.

I will ascend much more than +1 lmao. Did you see my eye area before?

 

[Artemis]

I’ve seen my CT and I don’t need neck lift. I will post when at PC

Did you ASK a PLASTIC SURGEON if you need a Necklift or NOT?

And WHAT did he propose to REMOVE YOUR TURKEY NECK?

"I don't need a neck lift" - is bullshit. It is your SINGLE BIGGEST FAILO. Literally destroys your whole face because you do not have a sharp submental.

If not necklift, what did he propose then? Plastic surgeon? Not the maxillofacial specialist, cause they dont do this with normal lifts.

 

[User49]

I think people should do only the surgeries that give them most points with acceptable risk.

OP literally skips the single best surgery he could do going for incredible tough trimax with implants to literally... ascend +1/10... arguable approach.

With rhino + necklift - easily +2/10 even without trimax and implants.

fuck risk

u only get one life get looks or die trying

 

[Artemis]

I will ascend much more than +1 lmao. Did you see my eye area before?

I saw but it wasnt your biggest failo at all. It was literally your neck.

 

[User49]

Did you ASK a PLASTIC SURGEON if you need a Necklift or NOT?

And WHAT did he propose to REMOVE YOUR TURKEY NECK?

"I don't need a neck lift" - is bullshit. It is your SINGLE BIGGEST FAILO. Literally destroys your whole face because you do not have a sharp submental.

If not necklift, what did he propose then? Plastic surgeon? Not the maxillofacial specialist, cause they dont do this with normal lifts.

he might just be an obese cow

 

[Artemis]

fuck risk

u only get one life get looks or die trying

Youth... maximalism... like that...

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Youth... maximalism... like that...

Risk of bimax is nothing

 

[Artemis]

Risk of bimax is nothing

Nope, you are wrong.

Bimax is a DANGEROUS and tough surgery. You can easily get nerve damage, uneven results, a LOT of cases like that even in best hands.

I am not saying not do it because one is afraid. But people need legit calculate risk-rewards. Seems like you haven't done your homework no offence. Even if it improves your looks after the swelling goes down.

Do you have the frontal btw? So we can assess your eyes?

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Nope, you are wrong.

Bimax is a DANGEROUS and tough surgery. You can easily get nerve damage, uneven results, a LOT of cases like that even in best hands.

you sound high inhib

 

[Artemis]

you sound high inhib

I sound CAUTIOUS. And you should be TOO. If you do not want to be crippled.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Keeping expectations low is a must when hardmaxxing, you are based expecting mostly minor changes in your aesthetics from le fort 1 alone. Notice how op's posture improved from pre op to post op, his airways literally opened. That's because bimax is a functional surgery and no matter how much the surgeon is blackpilled but it won't change your face much because there's much more than maxilla into craniofacial development. Will you get infras implants during bimax or after? Do you have scleral show? I absolutely need them because I have dark circles, even though I have 0 scleral show and tightening my lower lid could be a looksmin for me, then i would have aspie squinchy eyes. Probably an implant without the saddle would be the best option in my case.

I’ll be getting them with the Bimax and yeah I have dark circles as well, my lower lids aren’t very tight, if they were slightly lower I’d have scleral show so increased tightness isn’t an issue and I have an infraorbital rim asymmetry which the saddle should fix.

I’m not expecting to turn into a chad but given that this surgery will fix all my glaring flaws and if my jaw is anywhere close to the surgical simulation I’ll be extremely happy with the outcome.

This surgery fixes my narrow recessed jaw, dark circles, undereye asymmetry, improves the anterior projection of my cheekbones, widens and adds height to my chin, improves my gonial angle and overall jaw mass as well as improving facial depth and slightly straightening my nose.

I’m keeping my expectations realistic but if everything goes well I’ll objectively be significantly better looking and that’s all that matters to me

 

[NegativeNorwood]

I sound CAUTIOUS. And you should be TOO. If you do not want to be crippled.

You mad cuz OP is smart and chose a blackpilled bimax with custom plates + well designed custom implants instead of the soccer mom turkey makeover neck lift + rhino + fillers you would have chosen instead.

You can't say shit atm cuz he's fat and swollen, once the swelling goes down and he's lean he can opt for a neck lift (or not). Otherwise, it's single digit IQ argument.

 

[Artemis]

You mad cuz OP is smart and chose a blackpilled bimax with custom plates + well designed custom implants instead of the soccer mom turkey makeover neck lift + rhino + fillers you would have chosen instead.

You can't say shit atm cuz he's fat and swollen, once the swelling goes down and he's lean he can opt for a neck lift (or not). Otherwise, it's single digit IQ argument.

Ok ok Mr. Wise Man.

I am wrong, you are right!

 

[It'snotover]

I’ll be getting them with the Bimax and yeah I have dark circles as well, my lower lids aren’t very tight, if they were slightly lower I’d have scleral show so increased tightness isn’t an issue and I have an infraorbital rim asymmetry which the saddle should fix.

I’m not expecting to turn into a chad but given that this surgery will fix all my glaring flaws and if my jaw is anywhere close to the surgical simulation I’ll be extremely happy with the outcome.

This surgery fixes my narrow recessed jaw, dark circles, undereye asymmetry, improves the anterior projection of my cheekbones, widens and adds height to my chin, improves my gonial angle and overall jaw mass as well as improving facial depth and slightly straightening my nose.

I’m keeping my expectations realistic but if everything goes well I’ll objectively be significantly better looking and that’s all that matters to me

I understand, it's better to have the implants putted during bimax because you'll go through a single recover instead of doing the same routine of consultation + post op again. If my lower lid would have sitted 2 mms lower than i would have scleral show, but that's not a concern imo. A too low pfh will look aspie most of the times, so unless of severe scleral show i'd say the saddle should be very conservative. So you'll get some cheekbones projection too in the implant right? Mirin mindset, doesn’t matter if you don't turn chad, you'll become the most attractive and the healthiest version of yourself. That's what everyone should want to achieve. I wish you luck bro

 

[Cigarette]

What do you mean

you are still recessed after bimax JFL

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I understand, it's better to have the implants putted during bimax because you'll go through a single recover instead of doing the same routine of consultation + post op again. If my lower lid would have sitted 2 mms lower than i would have scleral show, but that's not a concern imo. A too low pfh will look aspie most of the times, so unless of severe scleral show i'd say the saddle should be very conservative. Mirin mindset, doesn’t matter if you don't turn chad, you'll become the most attractive and the healthiest version of yourself. That's what everyone should want to achieve. I wish you luck bro

Thank you man, and yeah I agree saddle shouldn’t be overdone especially if you don’t have scleral show. What I’m hoping to get out of the infraorbitals is symmetrical orbital rims, getting rid of dark undereyes and a slight improvement to canthal tilt.

Too many people on here fail to realize how rare these “chads” or male models are and it skews their perception of reality. All that matters is you reach the looks threshold for the majority of people so that either your face stops being a negative in your life or it becomes a positive.

Chasing that delusion of becoming chad is retarded because there’s a very high chance you’ll over do it and botch yourself, surgery should be a way to fix objective issues trying to do more than that will give you uncanny results.

 

[It'snotover]

Thank you man, and yeah I agree saddle shouldn’t be overdone especially if you don’t have scleral show. What I’m hoping to get out of the infraorbitals is symmetrical orbital rims, getting rid of dark undereyes and a slight improvement to canthal tilt.

Too many people on here fail to realize how rare these “chads” or male models are and it skews their perception of reality. All that matters is you reach the looks threshold for the majority of people so that either your face stops being a negative in your life or it becomes a positive.

Chasing that delusion of becoming chad is retarded because there’s a very high chance you’ll over do it and botch yourself, surgery should be a way to fix objective issues trying to do more than that will give you uncanny results.

Right, surgery is needed to fix failos and not to create halos, that’s basic knowledge that many fails to achieve. Just think at the huge descension of Efron. You can see how many people here can't rate for shit, understimating how a chad irl is rare and rating top tier guys chadlite or even htn. That's why irl standards are low, and they are surprised when they see average or below looking guys in a ltr saying muh oofy doofy. I don’t expect much from my surgeries neither, i need longer mandible, better infras and then i'll see if i'll need more improvements with softmaxxing.

 

[Deleted member 20914]

you are still recessed after bimax JFL

impossible to tell at this stage, and this forum's definition of 'recessed' is anything short of jordan barrett

 

[BrownEyesWD]

I understand, it's better to have the implants putted during bimax because you'll go through a single recover instead of doing the same routine of consultation + post op again. If my lower lid would have sitted 2 mms lower than i would have scleral show, but that's not a concern imo. A too low pfh will look aspie most of the times, so unless of severe scleral show i'd say the saddle should be very conservative. So you'll get some cheekbones projection too in the implant right? Mirin mindset, doesn’t matter if you don't turn chad, you'll become the most attractive and the healthiest version of yourself. That's what everyone should want to achieve. I wish you luck bro

This is not swelling at all. It is very easy to tell that it is the structure of his neck. I’ve seen a lot of people that have this type of neck and it seems to me that mostly people with bad posture have it. I can guarantee you the submental region is not because of the swelling.

Even if he drops down to 10% bf he will still have a turkey neck.

 

[BrownEyesWD]

You mad cuz OP is smart and chose a blackpilled bimax with custom plates + well designed custom implants instead of the soccer mom turkey makeover neck lift + rhino + fillers you would have chosen instead.

You can't say shit atm cuz he's fat and swollen, once the swelling goes down and he's lean he can opt for a neck lift (or not). Otherwise, it's single digit IQ argument.

Wrong reply read above^

 

[BrownEyesWD]

Only solutions as far as I know are too get a deep neck lift or get a crazy mandibular advancement but you will look like a dog so former is more suitable.

 

[Deleted member 24002]

I don’t have chad bones at all, I still mog them tho

Not really bro you look normal

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Not really bro you look normal

Exactly

 

[zeek]

It’s early days but bimax has helped me

Massive improvement alreadt

 

[Sanguinius]

Bimax confirmed meme surgery now

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Bimax confirmed meme surgery now

It’s been a week, give it time

 

[Sanguinius]

It’s been a week, give it time

Fair enough, keep us updated. This is important information for the forum

 

[longjohnmong]

I had rhinoplasty and chin implant when I was 18. I can't remember how long it was that I had the nasal brace or whatever it was on. It was like 2 weeks. But for that time, I couldn't stop looking at myself. I was like "Omg, I'm actually handsome." And then I got the nasal brace off and my chin looked fucking ridiculous, like I didn't even look like a real person. It just looked like a big fucking fake chin. For some reason you couldn't tell when the nasal was on. Anyway, it took months to get to normal, but eventually it did, and definitely looked better than before. So, yeah, even a little bit of swelling can make a huge difference. Just think about how drastic an impact that a little less collagen has on a person's face - literally decades of aging from just a minor tweak in skin. Similar thing with swelling.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Wrong reply read above^

Bimax and genio stretch soft tissue, and he will lose weight on top of that.

In the remote case you were right, and he benefited from a neck lift...he did things in the right order with bimax + genio first and weight loss after, leaving the neck lift as the last procedure.

So, again, pointless, single digit IQ argument.

 

[Oxygen]

impossible to tell at this stage, and this forum's definition of 'recessed' is anything short of jordan barrett

It was also impossible to know what highly invasive surgeries you actually needed pre-op when you were fat af and bloated with a turkey neck.Trimax is for recessed niggas like me. Don't get me wrong, you do look better now, but the replies are saying that you should've done other things (like lose weight) before you do an incredibly invasive surgery like this one.

also, @Artemis is right. Im mirin ur low inhib, but you put many many thousands of dollars into an old surgeons bank account to rearrange and augment your fucking skull before you fixed your neck and fat

Also I fucking need those saddled infras FUAAARK

 

[Deleted member 17244]

This. Bimax is a good surgery to fix malocclusion and narrow airways, but won't ascend you aesthetically. Actually i've seen some guys looking worse in the after because their cheekbones became invisible. And take into account that you need to get braces pre op for at least a year. Funny how everyone talks about muh ccw bimax but when someone post the results they says it looks like shit. And after it the lefort 2 and 3 areas will still be recessed, so midface, cheekbones and infras implants would be needed to balance it out. It's completely over if you don't have proper craniofacial development tbh.

Bc you need to be actually recessed to begin with. If you have brutal downward growth like me everything but ccw and jaw angle implants is cope. OP wasnt downwarded grown to begin with so obv he didnt ascend with small movements forward

 

[BrownEyesWD]

Bimax and genio stretch soft tissue, and he will lose weight on top of that.

In the remote case you were right, and he benefited from a neck lift...he did things in the right order with bimax + genio first and weight loss after, leaving the neck lift as the last procedure.

So, again, pointless, single digit IQ argument.

I’m trying to help op. We will see after the swelling leaves + when he cuts down to lean levels. Yes this is the correct order to do them, but the turkey neck is and will still be present when he gets to under 10% bf.

OP what’s your current height + weight/bf%?

Wont be surprised at all if it’s almost normal maybe slightly above it.

 

[Deleted member 20914]

It was also impossible to know what highly invasive surgeries you actually needed pre-op when you were fat af and bloated with a turkey neck.Trimax is for recessed niggas like me. Don't get me wrong, you do look better now, but the replies are saying that you should've done other things (like lose weight) before you do an incredibly invasive surgery like this one.

also, @Artemis is right. Im mirin ur low inhib, but you put many many thousands of dollars into an old surgeons bank account to rearrange and augment your fucking skull before you fixed your neck and fat

Also I fucking need those saddled infras FUAAARK

I already know all that, I dont honestly think people should get surgery before they are lean.

It makes sense to lose weight first, of course, but me losing weight wouldn't have made it obvious that I don't need a bimax.

Few people 'need' bimax, I was recessed, now I'm less recessed. See soft tissue CT adjusted for frankfurt plane.

 

[Deleted member 20914]

I’m trying to help op. We will see after the swelling leaves + when he cuts down to lean levels. Yes this is the correct order to do them, but the turkey neck is and will still be present when he gets to under 10% bf.

OP what’s your current height + weight/bf%?

Wont be surprised at all if it’s almost normal maybe slightly above it.

Not normal, 5 foot 10/11 and 180lbs, I am overweight.

 

[BrownEyesWD]

Not normal, 5 foot 10/11 and 180lbs, I am overweight.

In all honesty that is not that bad. Neck shouldn’t look like that with ‘normal’ neck structure at those levels. You may have to get a deep neck lift to be honest. Consult with surgeons of course who specialise in the area and not anyone here then go from there. You just had trimax so of course will be a long time.

That’s what I would do if I were in your shoes.

 

[Oxygen]

I already know all that, I dont honestly think people should get surgery before they are lean.

It makes sense to lose weight first, of course, but me losing weight wouldn't have made it obvious that I don't need a bimax.

Few people 'need' bimax, I was recessed, now I'm less recessed. See soft tissue CT adjusted for frankfurt plane.

Jfl. All I'll say is that the best thing you did was get the infras+supras.

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Jfl. All I'll say is that the best thing you did was get the infras+supras.

I agree

 

[BrownEyesWD]

I agree

How much does he charge for it without trimax? It looks very good. I’m getting trimax with a different surgeon

 

[Deleted member 20914]

How much does he charge for it without trimax? It looks very good. I’m getting trimax with a different surgeon

idk... he quoted me 14k for just infras, so more with supras as well.

 

[It'snotover]

Bc you need to be actually recessed to begin with. If you have brutal downward growth like me everything but ccw and jaw angle implants is cope. OP wasnt downwarded grown to begin with so obv he didnt ascend with small movements forward

Your downward growth is bad but not brutal, you still have midface projection and decent nose. Ccw bimax will be a partially solution but the problem of severe downward growth is that the entire skull grows downward, you'd basically need to fix everything in the face and put implants everywhere to fraud an ideal growth. You are lucky that this is not your situation and ccw will be enough tho.

 

[12PSLsubhuman]

How does the cheekbone become invisible after bimax??

This. Bimax is a good surgery to fix malocclusion and narrow airways, but won't ascend you aesthetically. Actually i've seen some guys looking worse in the after because their cheekbones became invisible. And take into account that you need to get braces pre op for at least a year. Funny how everyone talks about muh ccw bimax but when someone post the results they says it looks like shit. And after it the lefort 2 and 3 areas will still be recessed, so midface, cheekbones and infras implants would be needed to balance it out. It's completely over if you don't have proper craniofacial development tbh.

 

[It'snotover]

How does the cheekbone become invisible after bimax??

They are left behind. You are only advancing lefort one area and mandible. You'd need implants to bring them forward too otherwise in most cases they won't show like pre op. The increased tissue stretching/ perceived leanness will come from jaw and chin.