Veganism is a GIGALOOKSMIN

[GigaMogger]

Here's a study that found switching men from a balanced diet to a plant-based diet caused a 36% testosterone decrease.

Another study found a less dramatic, but still horrendous 26% decrease using the same methodology.

It’s been shown on multiple occasions that plant-based diets are positively correlated with high levels of sex hormone-binding globulin, which is one of the breaks in the chain of testosterone production.



There are hundreds of compilations like this on JudenTuben, ranging from everything from hair loss to impotence.

Don't fall for that BS thread boyos

 

[JustAFewMM]

Previous thread: Go Vegan Meat is insane looksmin

This world is so rigged

 

[Matthias8272]

Previous thread: Go Vegan Meat is insane looksmin

This world is so rigged

Exact same thing happens for Retin-A, Finasteride, and dermarolling. We live in a clown world,

 

[godirl]

Stop eating meat it's bad eat grass instead

 

[Deleted member 4430]

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Stop eating meat it's bad eat grass instead

getting strong, I see.

 

[Deleted member 4332]

Based High IQ thread.

 

[Mouthbreath]

Great thread. Honestly who cares about vegan copes like ooh you're 20 percent more likely to die of cancer when you're 80 or similar jfl. Who gives a shit. What matters is testosterone levels. 26percent reduction in testosterone levels is just fucking brutal tbh, no man should ever fall for this emasculating diet.

 

[Deleted member 6400]

High IQ,if you're a vegan legit kill yourself

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

Reading this thread while I dig into some lamb liver.

 

[Deleted member 6873]

@MoeZart caging at the combined IQ of this thread.

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

eat plants goy. eat bugs

 

[Deleted member 7098]

@MoeZart caging at the combined IQ of this thread.

man, you shouldn't have showed me this.

i can understand guys who say they eat is because they enjoy the taste and value the experience from eating it more than the life it cost. because that is the only logical argument that holds, since it is entirely based in ones subjective morality.

all other arguments are retarded and this thread just shows.
"vegans eat grass and lose 20kg because they don't eat enough kcal"
"Great thread, highest of IQs"

the mental hoops some of you jump through to justify something you deep down know to be wrong is comical. cognitive dissonance is a thing.

You just hang on every single baseless argument that confirms your already existing bias.

cringe guys. use your brains

 

[JosephGarrot123]

balanced diet is best eat plants and meat fruit nuts

 

[noorwoodinfinite]

I think that these vegans are probably eating too much fruits because they are "healthy" and vegans plus they lack something sweet like chocolate etc (non-vegan sweets). Probably that high amount of fructose are causing premature aging in vegans.

 

[Mouthbreath]

man, you shouldn't have showed me this.

i can understand guys who say they eat is because they enjoy the taste and value the experience from eating it more than the life it cost. because that is the only logical argument that holds, since it is entirely based in ones subjective morality.

all other arguments are retarded and this thread just shows.
"vegans eat grass and lose 20kg because they don't eat enough kcal"
"Great thread, highest of IQs"

the mental hoops some of you jump through to justify something you deep down know to be wrong is comical. cognitive dissonance is a thing.

You just hang on every single baseless argument that confirms your already existing bias.

cringe guys. use your brains

Refute the studies in ops post then.

 

[GigaMogger]

man, you shouldn't have showed me this.

i can understand guys who say they eat is because they enjoy the taste and value the experience from eating it more than the life it cost. because that is the only logical argument that holds, since it is entirely based in ones subjective morality.

all other arguments are retarded and this thread just shows.
"vegans eat grass and lose 20kg because they don't eat enough kcal"
"Great thread, highest of IQs"

the mental hoops some of you jump through to justify something you deep down know to be wrong is comical. cognitive dissonance is a thing.

You just hang on every single baseless argument that confirms your already existing bias.

cringe guys. use your brains

Vegan/Vegetarian Possible Deficiencies & Ways To Prevent Them - SelfHacked

As a vegan or vegetarian, you may be at risk of some nutritional deficiencies. Learn the risks & lab tests to make sure your diet is balanced & healthy.

selfhacked.com

The article details (with references) common deficiencies that occur as a byproduct of eating like a virtue signalling retard

Keep coping faggot

 

[eduardkoopman]

Hey, you start with dr drey. I watched her videos for skincare tips. She looks bad, unhealthy, I always thought. I dunno what's wrong with her diet. She shares good skincare advice, but she is doing something wrong eating wise. Or she eats to little, or she is missing certain substances/vitamines/minerals

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Refute the studies in ops post then.

Vegan/Vegetarian Possible Deficiencies & Ways To Prevent Them - SelfHacked

As a vegan or vegetarian, you may be at risk of some nutritional deficiencies. Learn the risks & lab tests to make sure your diet is balanced & healthy.

selfhacked.com

The article details (with references) common deficiencies that occur as a byproduct of eating like a virtue signalling retard

Keep coping faggot

eat more than 2000kcal/day and make sure to get all your necessary nutrients. you won't lose weight and won't get deficient. the guy who wrote the article literally tells you what to eat to prevent deficiencies even on a vegan diet.

you can't get vitamin b12 without meat, but everything else comes from plants so if you skip the middle man (cow, chicken, fish) you can just eat the plants directly and have all your bodily needs fulfilled .

just don't eat like a retard. same goes for guys eating 3 steaks a day and wonder why they have heart attacks by 30

 

[slayer69]

I thought this was pretty obvious but then I remembered there are subhumans who cant think for shit

 

[freeone12]

Just go vegan and die theory

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Just go vegan and die theory

guess where the same "chemicals" accumulate. in the flesh of the animals you consume.
miss me with this gay MS.Paint Chart by "Carnivore Aurelius"

good luck getting into higher education, retard

 

[GigaMogger]

eat more than 2000kcal/day and make sure to get all your necessary nutrients. you won't lose weight and won't get deficient.

you can't get vitamin b12 without meat, but everything else comes from plants so if you skip the middle man (cow, chicken, fish) you can just eat the plants directly and have all your bodily needs fulfilled .

just don't eat like a retard. same goes for guys eating 3 steaks a day and wonder why they have heart attacks by 30

Iron
Iron deficiency is the most prevalent nutritional deficiency worldwide, caused mainly by insufficient dietary intake. Vegetarians and vegans are especially prone to iron deficiency because their diets lack heme iron [1, 2, 3]. Heme iron is only found in animal foods (meat, seafood, and poultry) and is easily absorbed. Non-heme iron, on the other hand, is found in plants and is less-well absorbed in our gut [4].

In addition, plants are often rich in phytates and polyphenols, compounds that inhibit iron absorption. Other nutrients that inhibit iron absorption are calcium and certain animal (found in dairy and eggs) and plant proteins (soy proteins) [4]. Studies suggest that because of all these factors, people on vegetarian diets may have iron absorption reduced by as much as 85% compared to people on omnivorous diets [5].

If you are on a vegetarian or a vegan diet, it’s a good idea to check your iron once in a while. Better yet, check your ferritin levels. While blood iron can be influenced by recent meals, ferritin is not and is, therefore, a better indicator of your body’s overall iron stores. Unsurprisingly, it is often lower than optimal in people on plant-based diets [6].

If your iron is low, here’s a good hack to help you increase it – vitamin C. Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) can bind iron and make sure it is well absorbed in your gut [4]. A simple way to get more vitamin C is to sprinkle some lemon juice to your salads. Also, cut back on tea, coffee, and dairy around your meals – all of these decrease the amount of iron your gut can absorb.

Zinc
Zinc is found in seafood, meat, eggs, and dairy. But it’s also found in whole grains, legumes, and seeds [7, 8]. So if it’s present in plant sources, why are vegetarians and vegans more likely to experience zinc deficiency [9, 10]?

Because plant sources also contain phytates (already mentioned in the iron section) that inhibit zinc absorption. Studies suggest that vegetarian diets have about 35% lower zinc absorption compared to omnivorous diets [5]. Some suggest that vegetarians may need to consume up to 50% more zinc than non-vegetarians [11].

Vitamin B12
Vitamin B12 is essential for brain health and making DNA and red blood cells. It is mainly found in animal products such as meat, eggs, and dairy. When their diet is low in eggs and dairy, vegetarians can become B12 deficient, while vegans have to rely on vitamin B12 supplements [12, 13].

Some amounts of vitamin B12 can be found in vegetables, algae, and mushrooms. Significant amounts have been reported in fermented vegetables, such as sauerkraut, natto, and tempeh. However, the amount of vitamin B12 in all of these foods is either negligible or highly variable. Neither of these foods can be considered a constant and sufficient vitamin B12 source. That is because the presence of vitamin B12 in these foods depends on bacteria that can but don’t have to be present in the soil or among the fermenting microbes [14].

The liver can store vitamin B12, so it can take years before low B12 consumption becomes full-on B12 deficiency [15]. During this time, your B12 levels may be in the normal range, but actually suboptimal for health.

You can monitor your vitamin B12 levels by doing a simple blood test. If you follow a plant-based diet or used to be plant-based for many years, you may want to tweak your diet to keep your B12 optimal.

Vitamin D
It’s best if you get your vitamin D from the sun. But many people don’t get enough sunlight, often due to climate or their jobs. That’s when diet becomes important.

Vitamin D is important for mood, immune function, and muscle strength [16, 17]. Although a form of vitamin D is found in plants (vitamin D2), some studies suggest it is not as potent as cholecalciferol (vitamin D3), the type of vitamin D found in fish and dairy products [18].

Vegetarians, and especially vegans who don’t get enough sun, are at risk of having low vitamin D levels [19].

To increase vitamin D in your diet, opt for mushrooms [20].

Calcium
Calcium is a controversial nutrient. It is found in many plants, but so are oxalates and phytates that prevent calcium absorption. Low calcium decreases bone density and can lead to osteoporosis. Some studies indicate that vegans and vegetarians may be at a greater risk of having low bone mineral density [19, 21, 22].

On the other hand, there are studies that show plant sources to be adequate, and in some cases even preferred to dairy sources of calcium [23, 24, 25].

You can check your blood calcium levels – but these are often tightly maintained within a narrow range by the parathyroid hormone and vitamin D. If blood levels drop, calcium is taken from bone tissue [26]. That’s why it may be prudent to occasionally also check your bone mineral density (z-score, t-score) as you get older.

Iodine
Iodine is necessary for proper thyroid function. Both excessively low and excessively high intakes can lead to thyroid dysfunction. What’s interesting is that vegans fall into either of these groups, depending on their dietary choices [11].

Iodine is more commonly found in animal products than plants. Plant iodine content will depend on the iodine content of the soil. In a small-scale study, 80% of vegans and 25% of vegetarians had low iodine compared to 9% of people on an omnivorous diet [27].

However, occasionally, vegans can also have abnormally high iodine levels [28]. These cases are due to excessive seaweed consumption and can result in high TSH (thyroid-stimulating hormone) levels [29, 30].

Goitrogens, compounds found in raw cruciferous vegetables such as cabbage and cauliflower, can interfere with iodine use and may negatively affect thyroid function if consumed in excessively large amounts [11].

The easiest way to check your iodine is to do a quick urine iodine test. Low iodine levels? Talk to your doctor. Iodized table salt will usually do the trick [11].

Omega-3 fatty acids: DHA and EPA
We’ve all heard of the many benefits of fish oil, which is rich in omega-3 fatty acids DHA and EPA. Studies have shown that it protects against heart disease and depression and is great for your brain function. It turns out that vegetarians have much lower DHA and EPA intakes, while in vegans the intake of omega-3s is close to zero [31, 32, 33]. This is because DHA and EPA are mainly found in fish and seafood, with small amounts present in dairy.

While there are many studies that prove the benefits of DHA and EPA, there are no studies showing that their lack has adverse effects on vegetarians and vegans. To supplement or not – that’s currently a question open to debate [34].

It’s easy enough to get your EPA and DHA levels tested – usually as a part of an omega-3 index or omega-3/omega-6 panel that will also give you an estimated risk of heart disease. However, as already mentioned, the effect of low EPA and DHA in plant-based eaters is unknown.

How can you increase EPA and DHA in your diet? Another omega-3 acid, ALA (alpha-linolenic acid) can be converted to EPA at ~8-20% efficiency and to DHA at 0.5 – 9% efficiency [11, 35, 36, 37]. ALA is found in foods such as flax seeds, walnuts, and chia seeds.

Recently, DHA and EPA supplements derived from microalgae became available – and they have been shown to effectively increase blood DHA and EPA levels [38].

Protein
Plant-based protein is less digestible than animal protein. Again, plants contain anti-nutrients such as phytic acid and trypsin inhibitors, which reduce protein absorption. That’s why vegetarians and vegans should consume more protein in total than meat-eaters [11].

BUN (Blood urea nitrogen) levels are a measure of the amount of protein in your diet.

Selenium
Vegetarian and vegan diets may be lower in selenium [47, 48, 49]. Plants take in selenium from the soil; thus, people around the world eat different amounts of selenium daily, depending on the concentration of the mineral in the surrounding areas [50, 51].

Selenium is important for proper immune and cognitive function. If your selenium is on the low side, increase selenium-rich foods such as Brazil nuts, oats, and shiitake and button mushrooms.

TL;DR: KYS

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Iron
Iron deficiency is the most prevalent nutritional deficiency worldwide, caused mainly by insufficient dietary intake. Vegetarians and vegans are especially prone to iron deficiency because their diets lack heme iron [1, 2, 3]. Heme iron is only found in animal foods (meat, seafood, and poultry) and is easily absorbed. Non-heme iron, on the other hand, is found in plants and is less-well absorbed in our gut [4].

In addition, plants are often rich in phytates and polyphenols, compounds that inhibit iron absorption. Other nutrients that inhibit iron absorption are calcium and certain animal (found in dairy and eggs) and plant proteins (soy proteins) [4]. Studies suggest that because of all these factors, people on vegetarian diets may have iron absorption reduced by as much as 85% compared to people on omnivorous diets [5].

If you are on a vegetarian or a vegan diet, it’s a good idea to check your iron once in a while. Better yet, check your ferritin levels. While blood iron can be influenced by recent meals, ferritin is not and is, therefore, a better indicator of your body’s overall iron stores. Unsurprisingly, it is often lower than optimal in people on plant-based diets [6].

If your iron is low, here’s a good hack to help you increase it – vitamin C. Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) can bind iron and make sure it is well absorbed in your gut [4]. A simple way to get more vitamin C is to sprinkle some lemon juice to your salads. Also, cut back on tea, coffee, and dairy around your meals – all of these decrease the amount of iron your gut can absorb.

Zinc
Zinc is found in seafood, meat, eggs, and dairy. But it’s also found in whole grains, legumes, and seeds [7, 8]. So if it’s present in plant sources, why are vegetarians and vegans more likely to experience zinc deficiency [9, 10]?

Because plant sources also contain phytates (already mentioned in the iron section) that inhibit zinc absorption. Studies suggest that vegetarian diets have about 35% lower zinc absorption compared to omnivorous diets [5]. Some suggest that vegetarians may need to consume up to 50% more zinc than non-vegetarians [11].

Vitamin B12
Vitamin B12 is essential for brain health and making DNA and red blood cells. It is mainly found in animal products such as meat, eggs, and dairy. When their diet is low in eggs and dairy, vegetarians can become B12 deficient, while vegans have to rely on vitamin B12 supplements [12, 13].

Some amounts of vitamin B12 can be found in vegetables, algae, and mushrooms. Significant amounts have been reported in fermented vegetables, such as sauerkraut, natto, and tempeh. However, the amount of vitamin B12 in all of these foods is either negligible or highly variable. Neither of these foods can be considered a constant and sufficient vitamin B12 source. That is because the presence of vitamin B12 in these foods depends on bacteria that can but don’t have to be present in the soil or among the fermenting microbes [14].

The liver can store vitamin B12, so it can take years before low B12 consumption becomes full-on B12 deficiency [15]. During this time, your B12 levels may be in the normal range, but actually suboptimal for health.

You can monitor your vitamin B12 levels by doing a simple blood test. If you follow a plant-based diet or used to be plant-based for many years, you may want to tweak your diet to keep your B12 optimal.

Vitamin D
It’s best if you get your vitamin D from the sun. But many people don’t get enough sunlight, often due to climate or their jobs. That’s when diet becomes important.

Vitamin D is important for mood, immune function, and muscle strength [16, 17]. Although a form of vitamin D is found in plants (vitamin D2), some studies suggest it is not as potent as cholecalciferol (vitamin D3), the type of vitamin D found in fish and dairy products [18].

Vegetarians, and especially vegans who don’t get enough sun, are at risk of having low vitamin D levels [19].

To increase vitamin D in your diet, opt for mushrooms [20].

Calcium
Calcium is a controversial nutrient. It is found in many plants, but so are oxalates and phytates that prevent calcium absorption. Low calcium decreases bone density and can lead to osteoporosis. Some studies indicate that vegans and vegetarians may be at a greater risk of having low bone mineral density [19, 21, 22].

On the other hand, there are studies that show plant sources to be adequate, and in some cases even preferred to dairy sources of calcium [23, 24, 25].

You can check your blood calcium levels – but these are often tightly maintained within a narrow range by the parathyroid hormone and vitamin D. If blood levels drop, calcium is taken from bone tissue [26]. That’s why it may be prudent to occasionally also check your bone mineral density (z-score, t-score) as you get older.

Iodine
Iodine is necessary for proper thyroid function. Both excessively low and excessively high intakes can lead to thyroid dysfunction. What’s interesting is that vegans fall into either of these groups, depending on their dietary choices [11].

Iodine is more commonly found in animal products than plants. Plant iodine content will depend on the iodine content of the soil. In a small-scale study, 80% of vegans and 25% of vegetarians had low iodine compared to 9% of people on an omnivorous diet [27].

However, occasionally, vegans can also have abnormally high iodine levels [28]. These cases are due to excessive seaweed consumption and can result in high TSH (thyroid-stimulating hormone) levels [29, 30].

Goitrogens, compounds found in raw cruciferous vegetables such as cabbage and cauliflower, can interfere with iodine use and may negatively affect thyroid function if consumed in excessively large amounts [11].

The easiest way to check your iodine is to do a quick urine iodine test. Low iodine levels? Talk to your doctor. Iodized table salt will usually do the trick [11].

Omega-3 fatty acids: DHA and EPA
We’ve all heard of the many benefits of fish oil, which is rich in omega-3 fatty acids DHA and EPA. Studies have shown that it protects against heart disease and depression and is great for your brain function. It turns out that vegetarians have much lower DHA and EPA intakes, while in vegans the intake of omega-3s is close to zero [31, 32, 33]. This is because DHA and EPA are mainly found in fish and seafood, with small amounts present in dairy.

While there are many studies that prove the benefits of DHA and EPA, there are no studies showing that their lack has adverse effects on vegetarians and vegans. To supplement or not – that’s currently a question open to debate [34].

It’s easy enough to get your EPA and DHA levels tested – usually as a part of an omega-3 index or omega-3/omega-6 panel that will also give you an estimated risk of heart disease. However, as already mentioned, the effect of low EPA and DHA in plant-based eaters is unknown.

How can you increase EPA and DHA in your diet? Another omega-3 acid, ALA (alpha-linolenic acid) can be converted to EPA at ~8-20% efficiency and to DHA at 0.5 – 9% efficiency [11, 35, 36, 37]. ALA is found in foods such as flax seeds, walnuts, and chia seeds.

Recently, DHA and EPA supplements derived from microalgae became available – and they have been shown to effectively increase blood DHA and EPA levels [38].

Protein
Plant-based protein is less digestible than animal protein. Again, plants contain anti-nutrients such as phytic acid and trypsin inhibitors, which reduce protein absorption. That’s why vegetarians and vegans should consume more protein in total than meat-eaters [11].

BUN (Blood urea nitrogen) levels are a measure of the amount of protein in your diet.

Selenium
Vegetarian and vegan diets may be lower in selenium [47, 48, 49]. Plants take in selenium from the soil; thus, people around the world eat different amounts of selenium daily, depending on the concentration of the mineral in the surrounding areas [50, 51].

Selenium is important for proper immune and cognitive function. If your selenium is on the low side, increase selenium-rich foods such as Brazil nuts, oats, and shiitake and button mushrooms.

TL;DR: KYS

you literally need to learn how to read. maybe rethink your biases. citing hospitalised carnivores and articles that literally disproof your claims.

the article literally tells you what to eat instead of meat dairy and eggs to prevent the potential deficiencies

did you only read half of the headlines and decided that it is a good article that proofed your claims?

Vegan/Vegetarian Possible Deficiencies & Ways To Prevent Them

 

[Deleted member 6488]

Here's a study that found switching men from a balanced diet to a plant-based diet caused a 36% testosterone decrease.

Another study found a less dramatic, but still horrendous 26% decrease using the same methodology.

It’s been shown on multiple occasions that plant-based diets are positively correlated with high levels of sex hormone-binding globulin, which is one of the breaks in the chain of testosterone production.



There are hundreds of compilations like this on JudenTuben, ranging from everything from hair loss to impotence.

Don't fall for that BS thread boyos

i said this once, and i'm going to say it again:

i'm literally quoting this from your first study so i have no idea where you got your numbers:

"No significant statistical change was found in plasma dehydroepiandrosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, testosterone, dihydrotestosterone and estradiol levels"

Your second study literally supports vegetarianism:

"Free T concentration was estimated by calculation, in comparison with the omnivores, the vegans had 7% higher total T (P = 0.250), 23% higher SHBG (P = 0.001), 3% lower free T (P = 0.580), and 11% higher E2 (P = 0.194)."

i'll address the malnourishment aspect now

malnourishment is used so much by people as a negative of veganism. but that's your body's response to initially going totally plant-based since you're depriving yourself of the excess proteins/fats you were shoving down your throat. after the initial phase, you can gain all of your protein/iron from plant-based foods. look at patrik baboumian and novak djokovic. they're both ultra high T and 100% vegan.

@MoeZart
@Papabakvet
@goat2x

 

[Deleted member 6873]

i said this once, and i'm going to say it again:

i'm literally quoting this from your first study so i have no idea where you got your numbers:

"No significant statistical change was found in plasma dehydroepiandrosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, testosterone, dihydrotestosterone and estradiol levels"

Your second study literally supports vegetarianism:

"Free T concentration was estimated by calculation, in comparison with the omnivores, the vegans had 7% higher total T (P = 0.250), 23% higher SHBG (P = 0.001), 3% lower free T (P = 0.580), and 11% higher E2 (P = 0.194)."

i'll address the malnourishment aspect now

malnourishment is used so much by people as a negative of veganism. but that's your body's response to initially going totally plant-based since you're depriving yourself of the excess proteins/fats you were shoving down your throat. after the initial phase, you can gain all of your protein/iron from plant-based foods. look at patrik baboumian and novak djokovic. they're both ultra high T and 100% vegan.

@MoeZart
@Papabakvet

Im too low IQ too understand what 90% of this means lol, but when i was vegan i felt insanely energetic, i never felt like that in my life in such a long time ngl.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

i said this once, and i'm going to say it again:

i'm literally quoting this from your first study so i have no idea where you got your numbers:

"No significant statistical change was found in plasma dehydroepiandrosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, testosterone, dihydrotestosterone and estradiol levels"

Your second study literally supports vegetarianism:

"Free T concentration was estimated by calculation, in comparison with the omnivores, the vegans had 7% higher total T (P = 0.250), 23% higher SHBG (P = 0.001), 3% lower free T (P = 0.580), and 11% higher E2 (P = 0.194)."

i'll address the malnourishment aspect now

malnourishment is used so much by people as a negative of veganism. but that's your body's response to initially going totally plant-based since you're depriving yourself of the excess proteins/fats you were shoving down your throat. after the initial phase, you can gain all of your protein/iron from plant-based foods. look at patrik baboumian and novak djokovic. they're both ultra high T and 100% vegan.

@MoeZart
@Papabakvet
@goat2x

don't even bother he didn't even read the entire headline of the article he cited.
"Vegan/Vegetarian Possible Deficiencies & Ways To Prevent Them" he stopped reading after "deficiencies" and thought it would be a great article proofing his bias

 

[freeone12]

20 Nutrients that Vegans & Vegetarians are Lacking - SelfHack

Many nutrients are only found in animal products. Learn what nutrients vegans & vegetarians need to measure to maintain good health.

selfhack.com

 

[Deleted member 6488]

Im too low IQ too understand what 90% of this means lol, but when i was vegan i felt insanely energetic, i never felt like that in my life in such a long time ngl.

nah you're not too low IQ

OP claims veganism/vegetarianism causes lower T levels and he provided some links to scientific studies.

his first study literally says "no significant change was found in testosterone"
his second study literally supports vegetarianism

 

[Deleted member 7098]

nah you're not too low IQ

OP claims veganism/vegetarianism causes lower T levels and he provided some links to scientific studies.

his first study literally says "no significant change was found in testosterone"
his second study literally supports vegetarianism

@GigaMogger mix some ADHD medication into your stakes. you'll need it to be able to read more than a quick headline

 

[GigaMogger]

nah you're not too low IQ

OP claims veganism/vegetarianism causes lower T levels and he provided some links to scientific studies.

his first study literally says "no significant change was found in testosterone"
his second study literally supports vegetarianism

@GigaMogger mix some ADHD medication into your stakes. you'll need it to be able to read more than a quick headline

This is a quote from the first study I linked:

"When men were transferred from their customary diet to an experimental diet, which contained less fat with a higher polyunsaturated/saturated ratio (P/S-ratio) and more fibre, there was a significant decrease in serum total testosterone concentrations (22.7 +/- 1.2 vs 19.3 +/- 1.1 nmol/l SEM, P less than 0.001). Furthermore, serum free, unbound testosterone fell from 0.23 +/- 0.01 to 0.20 +/- 0.01 nmol/l SEM (P less than 0.01)." That's where I got my numbers from buddy boyo

Now to quote the second study:

"Vegetarian group showed a higher levels of sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) while the free androgen index (FAI; calculated by the ratio testosterone/SHBG) was lower in this group. Although the concentrations of androsterone glucuronide were higher in vegetarian group, the vegetarians had a 25-50% lower level of androstane-3 alpha, 17 beta-diol glucuronide and androstane-3 beta,17 beta-diol glucuronide. Our data further indicate that both, androstane-3 alpha,17 beta-diol glucuronide and androstane-3 beta,17 beta-diol glucuronide concentrations are significantly correlated with SHBG levels and with the FAI values. The increases in androstane-3 alpha,17 beta-diol glucuronide and androstane-3 beta,17 beta-diol glucuronide levels in the omnivorous group are probably a consequence of the elevation of the FAI. Our data suggest that in a vegetarian group, less testosterone is available for androgenic action."

GIGAMOGGED

 

[Mouthbreath]

eat more than 2000kcal/day and make sure to get all your necessary nutrients. you won't lose weight and won't get deficient. the guy who wrote the article literally tells you what to eat to prevent deficiencies even on a vegan diet.

you can't get vitamin b12 without meat, but everything else comes from plants so if you skip the middle man (cow, chicken, fish) you can just eat the plants directly and have all your bodily needs fulfilled .

just don't eat like a retard. same goes for guys eating 3 steaks a day and wonder why they have heart attacks by 30

Refute the studies that show a decrease in testosterone.

 

[GigaMogger]

Refute the studies that show a decrease in testosterone.

They can't

 

[Chadelite]

This is why there are so many vegan women who look normal

The reduction in t levels don't effect them

And the extra estrogen in shit like sky makes them have bigger ass and tits but messes up the hormones

 

[poloralf]

Fearing eating animals is a low t cuck characteristic, you should take great pride in eating and out of respect for its life make sure to live a life full of pride and looksmaxing, make that meat proud to be part of your body.

 

[GigaMogger]

I've recently realised these guys are actually pajeets trying to protect their holy cows.. Tbh it makes sense for Indians to deprive themselves of nutrition anyway, a sort of self-culling mechanism to balance the world population when combined with their subhuman status among women

God works in mysterious ways boyos

 

[GigaMogger]

@GigaMogger mix some ADHD medication into your stakes. you'll need it to be able to read more than a quick headline

steaks*** retard

 

[Deleted member 7098]

steaks*** retard

rent free. it's a typo faggy. work on your weak, badly formed, baseless arguments instead of some one else's spelling mistakes.

 

[TITUS]

All vegan foids i know spend their whole lives bulking fat and then dieting to normal weight. That's their purpose in life there, vegans are subhuman. Just punch them, abuse them, do whatever you want to them, they wont fight back, they are the urbanite sterile slave worker caste.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

eat plants goy. eat bugs

i'd be perfectly fine with eating bugs ngl, they're full of protein

 

[TITUS]

i'd be perfectly fine with eating bugs ngl, they're full of protein

Me too, that's one of the reasons i want to go to Asia.

 

[Schizoidcel]

Jared Leto is pretty much the only "vegan" I know who looks good and aged exceptionally well although that's mostly genetics.

 

[GigaMogger]

rent free. it's a typo faggy. work on your weak, badly formed, baseless arguments instead of some one else's spelling mistakes.

You can't spell bruh how are you supposed to form arguments

 

[Deleted member 4612]

i remember i tried it out

complete joke

 

[Deleted member 6488]

Jared Leto is pretty much the only "vegan" I know who looks good and aged exceptionally well although that's mostly genetics.

cope

zac efron
novak djokovic
scott jurek
alex morgan
patrick baboumian

 

[GigaMogger]

cope

zac efron
novak djokovic
scott jurek
alex morgan
patrick baboumian

Cool story bro, now do people who were vegan during development

 

[Deleted member 6488]

Cool story bro, now do people who were vegan during development

 

[yorker12]

ITT fat incels not wanting to give up tendies.

Plant based diet is undoubtedly better for your health. Olympic athletes do it.

Sure, you can still eat meat, even better if you limit the intake, but saying that not eating meat is worse for you is absolute coping bullshit.

If you eat a well balanced diet and add nutrient supplementation, you will feel and be far better off on plant based diets.
Eating enough protein is gonna be more challenging and considering a lot of you are incels who cant afford good diets let alone surgeries, it might be better to stick to meat based diets if you're gymaxxing.

The retards saying how you can't get all the nutrients from plant based diets probably haven't heard of supplements.
The retards who show vegan youtubers who do it for ethics and not for health/fitness are fucking dumb.
If you do veganism for ethics, wtf are you doing here, if you do it for health, its probably a good choice.

If you eat vegan during the developmental phase, idk enough about that, but i don't care, I'm not 12 anymore.
If you're over 19 and still think eating meat is gonna change how you look or make you feel better, stop coping.

I remember reading that you can reduce inflammation up to 30%. Just google studies about it, the internet is full of them.

JFL at the collective IQ of this thread.

New Review Highlights Benefits of Plant-Based Diet for Rheumatoid Arthritis

A plant-based diet may alleviate painful symptoms associated with rheumatoid arthritis (RA), according to a new review published in the journal Frontiers in Nutrition.

www.pcrm.org

The effects of plant-based diets on the body and the brain: a systematic review - Translational Psychiatry

Western societies notice an increasing interest in plant-based eating patterns such as vegetarian and vegan, yet potential effects on the body and brain are a matter of debate. Therefore, we systematically reviewed existing human interventional studies on putative effects of a plant-based diet...

www.nature.com

Effectiveness of plant-based diets in promoting well-being in the management of type 2 diabetes: a systematic review

Diet interventions have suggested an association between plant-based diets and improvements in psychological well-being, quality of life and glycated hemoglobin (HbA1c) control in populations with diabetes. The aims of this review are to systematically ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The effects of plant-based diets on the body and the brain: a systematic review

Western societies notice an increasing interest in plant-based eating patterns such as vegetarian and vegan, yet potential effects on the body and brain are a matter of debate. Therefore, we systematically reviewed existing human interventional studies ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Plant-Based Diets in the Reduction of Body Fat: Physiological Effects and Biochemical Insights

Obesity affects over one-third of Americans and increases the risk of cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes. Interventional trials have consistently demonstrated that consumption of plant-based diets reduces body fat in overweight and obese subjects, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[GigaMogger]

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This your way of saying you can't?

 

[Deleted member 6488]

This your way of saying you can't?

nah it was an "are you fucking serious?" gif

zac efron may have taken roids idk

but literally everyone else on that list is natty

 

[GigaMogger]

nah it was an "are you fucking serious?" gif

zac efron may have taken roids idk

but literally everyone else on that list is natty

Oh I think you may be having reading comprehension problems, this might be a side effect of B12 deficiency I'd recommend getting it checked brah

Cool story bro, now do people who were vegan during development

I never mentioned roids I asked if you could provide examples of good looking healthy men who were vegan during their development