Vegetables are UNHEALTHY (full explanation)

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This thread will explain to you why vegetables arent healthy, optimal, beneficial and necessary

I will cover:

- Common Misconceptions
- What makes them unhealthy
- Why they arent necessary
- Etc.



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1. Common misconceptions about vegetables, and the truth

- "Vegetables are needed for fiber"

Truth: Fiber isnt essential, its not even a nutrient, its an antinutrient that blocks absorption of vitamins and minerals. Fiber is an indigestible part of plant, why would humans need something indigestible in their diet??


- "Vegetables are nutrient dense"
Truth: They lack alot of nutrition, they have some vitamin C, E, B9, K1 and some trace vitamin Bs, they lack (A, B6, B12, D3, K2, creatine, carnitine, taurine, carnosine, cholesterol, CLA, heme iron, CoQ10, Omega-3 DHA & EPA). There isnt a single nutrient your body needs from vegetables that it cant get from meat.


- "They help with constipation"

Truth: They dont, they irritate the gut and are indigestible, in controlled trials there has been shown that when fiber is taken out of a diet, digestive issues gone away.


- "You need them for good microbiome"

Truth: Never. Inuit have 0 fiber in their diet and their microbiome is great.


- "They are full of antioxidants"
Truth: The so called "antioxidants" from vegetables behave as prooxidants in the human body, never essential or beneficial


- "They lower sugar absorption"
Truth: They lower absorption of everything, and why would you eat something that u wanna absorb less of??


2. What makes them unhealthy
- Full of antinutrients (oxalates, phytates, lectins, tannins, goitrogens, trypsin inhibitors) but what do each of them do??

Phytic acid:
Found in alot of vegetables, lower absorption of vitamins and minerals

Oxalates: Found mostly in leafy greens, they bind mostly to calcium, 80% of kidney stones are calcium-oxalate stones
Lectins: Found in legumes, may contribute to autoimmune disorder and block mineral absorption
Tannins: Mostly just bind to iron and reduce the absorption of it
Goitrogens: Found in brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc. They mess up your thyroid and cause iodine deficiency. (Dangerous during development)

Trypsin Inhibitors: Inhibit protein absorption and protein quality
There are alot more of these antinutrients, these are the main ones
- Fiber, its also an antinutrient it self, as i already mentioned it lowers the absorption of nutrients and minerals, contribute to digestive issues etc.

- They contain pesticides, nitrates and heavy metals. Pesticides mess with your hormones and heavy metals bind to enzymes and protein

3. Why they arent necessary

// Already went through some, but ill repeat it again

- Common BS parents, doctors etc. tell you "Oh the body needs it" but when you asked then why they dont have no proof. They might rant about "oh u need the fiber" but fiber is never necessary, its actually better if you eat less/0. There arent many studies about fiber but im gonna link here the best one here. They will also probably say that they are nutrient dense, we know its not, they are more so nutrient deficient they lack alot of nutrition.




Vitamin C

No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, you dont need to worry much about vitamin C, but why? Primal diet doesnt have any carbs(only lactose from milk) and for the average person who eats carbs gets alot of glucose which competes with vitamin C for the GLUT transporters(mainly GLUT1) Its called Glucose-Ascorbate Antagonism. The vitamin C you need is very low due to not eating carbs, you have low oxidative stress which lessens the need for it, you have lower insulin which helps the vitamin C recycle better, and its use for collagen you get alot from meat. Muscle meat does contain vitamin C, so does milk and alot of C is in liver, so dont worry you will be okay. YOU WONT GET SCURVY



Carb eaters read below

- If you consume carbs in your diet, then get it from fruits rather then vegetables. Fruits have more of the vitamin C and fruits have generaly lower amounts of antinutrients. Also vegetables tastes like shit just eat the fruit.


Other vitamins and minerals you may be "deficient in"
// IMPORTANT NOTE: RDAs are calculated by an average person, which means if you follow a good diet, your body is different, so you shouldnt be guided by RDAs


No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, RDAs might say you are deficient in these. (Vitamin B1, D2, K1, E, magnesium, manganese)

- B1: You wont be deficient but may "lack" it by RDAs. Main function of B1 is converting carbs into energy, so if you follow a 0/low carb diet, you dont need same amount as average person does. You will get more then enough to use other functions of B1, no need to worry

- D2: You get more then enough D3. D3 is in every single way superior to D2. No need to worry

- K1: Same as D2 and D3 is K1 and K2. K2 is just superior

- E: Main function of vitamin E is antioxidant defense, protects your cells against oxidative stress. Guess what, you have nothing in your diet to cause oxidative stress, you dont need the RDA value of this. Also you get alot from butter

- Magnesium: Even by RDAs you arent deficient in this you just dont have enough, or do you? Again, you need less then average person, due to magnesium converts carbs to energy and antioxidant defense. You get enough of magnesium for its other uses.

- Manganese: Again, turns carbs into energy and antioxidant defenses, if you eat some liver a day you will have enough for other manganese uses


Carb eaters read below

- Repeating this again, replace vegetables with fruit, that simple.




4. Optional Guidance


// If you just replace it with fruit and dont live with your parents, you dont need to read this

- It definitetly is hard to convice your parents that vegetables arent healthy and you dont want to eat them. What you can do is eat pseudo vegetables.


- But what are pseudo vegetables?

Pseudo vegetables: Pseudo vegetables are fruits, which people think are vegetables. If your parents insist on you eating vegetables, here are some recommendations.

1. Avocado

- Avocado is a fruit with low carbohydrate content, it isnt nutrient dense, but isnt harmful alot. Only problem IMO with avocado if the high amounts of Omega-6, otherwise its the best pseudo vegetables. For nutrition it has some vitamin E , B9 and K1. They contain moderate amount of oxalates.

2. Tomato

- Tomatoes are also fruit, its more common known tho. Again they are low carb fruit, they have some B9 and K1. They contain a moderate amount of oxalates, but still its a healthy fruit compared to other vegetables.

3. Cucumber

- Cucumbers are low carb fruit, they are mostly water and contain some K1 and trace amounts of some B vitamins. Low amount of oxalates.

Honorable Mention: Carrot

- This isnt a pseudo vegetable, its a actual vegetable but id say they only harm to a moderate amount. They have mainly Beta-Carotene, which could help you "imitate" tanned skin, and some K1 and trace B vitamins. Nothing burger vegetable.


Cooking vegetables

- If you are strapped to a chair and absolutely are forced to eat them, at least cook them to death. By cooking you reduce some nutrition thats true, but you also lose alot of the antinutrients. This is a last resort, doesnt help as much as not eating them at all.






TLDR: Vegetables are full of antinutrients that lessens the absorption of micronutrients, if you can replace them with fruits. They arent necessary, healthy, optimal, have little nutrition, never eat them. If you would be absolutely forced to eat them, cook them first.




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saturated fat is also non-essential but im sure you'd say otherwise
 
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dnr already known they have a bunch of toxins and anti nutrients

only good vegetables are carrot and potato
 
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saturated fat is also non-essential but im sure you'd say otherwise
Yes, but its extremely beneficial, and don't come at me with your pseudoscientific epidiomologic studies about correlations to muh heart decadence.
 
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@IraniancelV2 investing in this one :love:
 
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Yes, but its extremely beneficial, and don't come at me with your pseudoscientific epidiomologic studies about correlations to muh heart decadence.
Carbs from vegetables are also beneficial. I dont eat much veggies cuz they all taste like sand but demonizing the whole food group even tho there are beneficial foods you can eat from it is stupid. But yall copeis (goatis) niggers will come up and crucify any dude that mentions eating a vegetable.
 
Carbs from vegetables are also beneficial. I dont eat much veggies cuz they all taste like sand but demonizing the whole food group even tho there are beneficial foods you can eat from it. But yall copeis (goatis) niggers will come up and crucify any dude that mentions eating a vegetable.
I don't really like goatis all that much, only some of his older sv3rige videos. How are carbohydrates from vegetables beneficial exactly?

Also beneficial is a stupid term as it is relative, to the goal you set.

If your goal is to have high blood sugar and age yourself with advanced glycation byproducts and get heart disease,

then YES!!! Carbs are beneficial.
 
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Yes, but its extremely beneficial, and don't come at me with your pseudoscientific epidiomologic studies about correlations to muh heart decadence.
fr, they only have associative studies, and they claim its evidence??
 
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I don't really like goatis all that much, only some of his older sv3rige videos. How are carbohydrates from vegetables beneficial exactly?

Also beneficial is a stupid term as it is relative, to the goal you set.

If your goal is to have high blood sugar and age yourself with advanced glycation byproducts and get heart disease,


then YES!!! Carbs are beneficial.
im also not advocate for goatis, but i also dont think carbs could be beneficial
 
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I don't really like goatis all that much, only some of his older sv3rige videos. How are carbohydrates from vegetables beneficial exactly?

Also beneficial is a stupid term as it is relative, to the goal you set.

If your goal is to have high blood sugar and age yourself with advanced glycation byproducts and get heart disease,


then YES!!! Carbs are beneficial.
primary energy source. without carbs you wouldnt be alive thats why your body goes trough a whole process to make glucose. I need carbs cuz im active and I need energy otherwise i'd prolly have no energy and rot on org all day. BTW protein also ages you but you arent here demonizing it so.... LOL :lul:
 
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im also not advocate for goatis, but i also dont think carbs could be beneficial
like if you do some gymcelling you might eat a potato or two, or maybe in the morning to give you a kickstart, but its not optimal.
 
primary energy source. without carbs you wouldnt be alive thats why your body goes trough a whole process to make glucose. I need carbs cuz im active and I need energy otherwise i'd prolly have no energy and rot on org all day. BTW protein also ages you but you arent here demonizing it so.... LOL :lul:
you got this from chatgpt?? 😂😂😂 you can make the exact amount of glucose you need via gluconeogensis from protein retard, you get plenty of energy from fat
 
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This thread will explain to you why vegetables arent healthy, optimal, beneficial and necessary

I will cover:

- Common Misconceptions
- What makes them unhealthy
- Why they arent necessary
- Etc.



// TLDR at end //
// Bump this up so more people will see this //
1. Common misconceptions about vegetables, and the truth

- "Vegetables are needed for fiber"

Truth: Fiber isnt essential, its not even a nutrient, its an antinutrient that blocks absorption of vitamins and minerals. Fiber is an indigestible part of plant, why would humans need something indigestible in their diet??


- "Vegetables are nutrient dense"
Truth: They lack alot of nutrition, they have some vitamin C, E, B9, K1 and some trace vitamin Bs, they lack (A, B6, B12, D3, K2, creatine, carnitine, taurine, carnosine, cholesterol, CLA, heme iron, CoQ10, Omega-3 DHA & EPA). There isnt a single nutrient your body needs from vegetables that it cant get from meat.


- "They help with constipation"

Truth: They dont, they irritate the gut and are indigestible, in controlled trials there has been shown that when fiber is taken out of a diet, digestive issues gone away.


- "You need them for good microbiome"

Truth: Never. Inuit have 0 fiber in their diet and their microbiome is great.


- "They are full of antioxidants"
Truth: The so called "antioxidants" from vegetables behave as prooxidants in the human body, never essential or beneficial


- "They lower sugar absorption"
Truth: They lower absorption of everything, and why would you eat something that u wanna absorb less of??


2. What makes them unhealthy
- Full of antinutrients (oxalates, phytates, lectins, tannins, goitrogens, trypsin inhibitors) but what do each of them do??

Phytic acid:
Found in alot of vegetables, lower absorption of vitamins and minerals

Oxalates: Found mostly in leafy greens, they bind mostly to calcium, 80% of kidney stones are calcium-oxalate stones
Lectins: Found in legumes, may contribute to autoimmune disorder and block mineral absorption
Tannins: Mostly just bind to iron and reduce the absorption of it
Goitrogens: Found in brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc. They mess up your thyroid and cause iodine deficiency. (Dangerous during development)

Trypsin Inhibitors: Inhibit protein absorption and protein quality
There are alot more of these antinutrients, these are the main ones
- Fiber, its also an antinutrient it self, as i already mentioned it lowers the absorption of nutrients and minerals, contribute to digestive issues etc.

- They contain pesticides, nitrates and heavy metals. Pesticides mess with your hormones and heavy metals bind to enzymes and protein

3. Why they arent necessary

// Already went through some, but ill repeat it again

- Common BS parents, doctors etc. tell you "Oh the body needs it" but when you asked then why they dont have no proof. They might rant about "oh u need the fiber" but fiber is never necessary, its actually better if you eat less/0. There arent many studies about fiber but im gonna link here the best one here. They will also probably say that they are nutrient dense, we know its not, they are more so nutrient deficient they lack alot of nutrition.




Vitamin C

No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, you dont need to worry much about vitamin C, but why? Primal diet doesnt have any carbs(only lactose from milk) and for the average person who eats carbs gets alot of glucose which competes with vitamin C for the GLUT transporters(mainly GLUT1) Its called Glucose-Ascorbate Antagonism. The vitamin C you need is very low due to not eating carbs, you have low oxidative stress which lessens the need for it, you have lower insulin which helps the vitamin C recycle better, and its use for collagen you get alot from meat. Muscle meat does contain vitamin C, so does milk and alot of C is in liver, so dont worry you will be okay. YOU WONT GET SCURVY



Carb eaters read below

- If you consume carbs in your diet, then get it from fruits rather then vegetables. Fruits have more of the vitamin C and fruits have generaly lower amounts of antinutrients. Also vegetables tastes like shit just eat the fruit.


Other vitamins and minerals you may be "deficient in"
// IMPORTANT NOTE: RDAs are calculated by an average person, which means if you follow a good diet, your body is different, so you shouldnt be guided by RDAs


No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, RDAs might say you are deficient in these. (Vitamin B1, D2, K1, E, magnesium, manganese)

- B1: You wont be deficient but may "lack" it by RDAs. Main function of B1 is converting carbs into energy, so if you follow a 0/low carb diet, you dont need same amount as average person does. You will get more then enough to use other functions of B1, no need to worry

- D2: You get more then enough D3. D3 is in every single way superior to D2. No need to worry

- K1: Same as D2 and D3 is K1 and K2. K2 is just superior

- E: Main function of vitamin E is antioxidant defense, protects your cells against oxidative stress. Guess what, you have nothing in your diet to cause oxidative stress, you dont need the RDA value of this. Also you get alot from butter

- Magnesium: Even by RDAs you arent deficient in this you just dont have enough, or do you? Again, you need less then average person, due to magnesium converts carbs to energy and antioxidant defense. You get enough of magnesium for its other uses.

- Manganese: Again, turns carbs into energy and antioxidant defenses, if you eat some liver a day you will have enough for other manganese uses


Carb eaters read below

- Repeating this again, replace vegetables with fruit, that simple.




4. Optional Guidance


// If you just replace it with fruit and dont live with your parents, you dont need to read this

- It definitetly is hard to convice your parents that vegetables arent healthy and you dont want to eat them. What you can do is eat pseudo vegetables.


- But what are pseudo vegetables?

Pseudo vegetables: Pseudo vegetables are fruits, which people think are vegetables. If your parents insist on you eating vegetables, here are some recommendations.

1. Avocado

- Avocado is a fruit with low carbohydrate content, it isnt nutrient dense, but isnt harmful alot. Only problem IMO with avocado if the high amounts of Omega-6, otherwise its the best pseudo vegetables. For nutrition it has some vitamin E , B9 and K1. They contain moderate amount of oxalates.

2. Tomato

- Tomatoes are also fruit, its more common known tho. Again they are low carb fruit, they have some B9 and K1. They contain a moderate amount of oxalates, but still its a healthy fruit compared to other vegetables.

3. Cucumber

- Cucumbers are low carb fruit, they are mostly water and contain some K1 and trace amounts of some B vitamins. Low amount of oxalates.

Honorable Mention: Carrot

- This isnt a pseudo vegetable, its a actual vegetable but id say they only harm to a moderate amount. They have mainly Beta-Carotene, which could help you "imitate" tanned skin, and some K1 and trace B vitamins. Nothing burger vegetable.


Cooking vegetables

- If you are strapped to a chair and absolutely are forced to eat them, at least cook them to death. By cooking you reduce some nutrition thats true, but you also lose alot of the antinutrients. This is a last resort, doesnt help as much as not eating them at all.






TLDR: Vegetables are full of antinutrients that lessens the absorption of micronutrients, if you can replace them with fruits. They arent necessary, healthy, optimal, have little nutrition, never eat them. If you would be absolutely forced to eat them, cook them first.




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I agree JFL at eating vegetables in 2025 you don’t need them

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This thread will explain to you why vegetables arent healthy, optimal, beneficial and necessary

I will cover:

- Common Misconceptions
- What makes them unhealthy
- Why they arent necessary
- Etc.



// TLDR at end //
// Bump this up so more people will see this //
1. Common misconceptions about vegetables, and the truth

- "Vegetables are needed for fiber"

Truth: Fiber isnt essential, its not even a nutrient, its an antinutrient that blocks absorption of vitamins and minerals. Fiber is an indigestible part of plant, why would humans need something indigestible in their diet??


- "Vegetables are nutrient dense"
Truth: They lack alot of nutrition, they have some vitamin C, E, B9, K1 and some trace vitamin Bs, they lack (A, B6, B12, D3, K2, creatine, carnitine, taurine, carnosine, cholesterol, CLA, heme iron, CoQ10, Omega-3 DHA & EPA). There isnt a single nutrient your body needs from vegetables that it cant get from meat.


- "They help with constipation"

Truth: They dont, they irritate the gut and are indigestible, in controlled trials there has been shown that when fiber is taken out of a diet, digestive issues gone away.


- "You need them for good microbiome"

Truth: Never. Inuit have 0 fiber in their diet and their microbiome is great.


- "They are full of antioxidants"
Truth: The so called "antioxidants" from vegetables behave as prooxidants in the human body, never essential or beneficial


- "They lower sugar absorption"
Truth: They lower absorption of everything, and why would you eat something that u wanna absorb less of??


2. What makes them unhealthy
- Full of antinutrients (oxalates, phytates, lectins, tannins, goitrogens, trypsin inhibitors) but what do each of them do??

Phytic acid:
Found in alot of vegetables, lower absorption of vitamins and minerals

Oxalates: Found mostly in leafy greens, they bind mostly to calcium, 80% of kidney stones are calcium-oxalate stones
Lectins: Found in legumes, may contribute to autoimmune disorder and block mineral absorption
Tannins: Mostly just bind to iron and reduce the absorption of it
Goitrogens: Found in brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc. They mess up your thyroid and cause iodine deficiency. (Dangerous during development)

Trypsin Inhibitors: Inhibit protein absorption and protein quality
There are alot more of these antinutrients, these are the main ones
- Fiber, its also an antinutrient it self, as i already mentioned it lowers the absorption of nutrients and minerals, contribute to digestive issues etc.

- They contain pesticides, nitrates and heavy metals. Pesticides mess with your hormones and heavy metals bind to enzymes and protein

3. Why they arent necessary

// Already went through some, but ill repeat it again

- Common BS parents, doctors etc. tell you "Oh the body needs it" but when you asked then why they dont have no proof. They might rant about "oh u need the fiber" but fiber is never necessary, its actually better if you eat less/0. There arent many studies about fiber but im gonna link here the best one here. They will also probably say that they are nutrient dense, we know its not, they are more so nutrient deficient they lack alot of nutrition.




Vitamin C

No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, you dont need to worry much about vitamin C, but why? Primal diet doesnt have any carbs(only lactose from milk) and for the average person who eats carbs gets alot of glucose which competes with vitamin C for the GLUT transporters(mainly GLUT1) Its called Glucose-Ascorbate Antagonism. The vitamin C you need is very low due to not eating carbs, you have low oxidative stress which lessens the need for it, you have lower insulin which helps the vitamin C recycle better, and its use for collagen you get alot from meat. Muscle meat does contain vitamin C, so does milk and alot of C is in liver, so dont worry you will be okay. YOU WONT GET SCURVY



Carb eaters read below

- If you consume carbs in your diet, then get it from fruits rather then vegetables. Fruits have more of the vitamin C and fruits have generaly lower amounts of antinutrients. Also vegetables tastes like shit just eat the fruit.


Other vitamins and minerals you may be "deficient in"
// IMPORTANT NOTE: RDAs are calculated by an average person, which means if you follow a good diet, your body is different, so you shouldnt be guided by RDAs


No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, RDAs might say you are deficient in these. (Vitamin B1, D2, K1, E, magnesium, manganese)

- B1: You wont be deficient but may "lack" it by RDAs. Main function of B1 is converting carbs into energy, so if you follow a 0/low carb diet, you dont need same amount as average person does. You will get more then enough to use other functions of B1, no need to worry

- D2: You get more then enough D3. D3 is in every single way superior to D2. No need to worry

- K1: Same as D2 and D3 is K1 and K2. K2 is just superior

- E: Main function of vitamin E is antioxidant defense, protects your cells against oxidative stress. Guess what, you have nothing in your diet to cause oxidative stress, you dont need the RDA value of this. Also you get alot from butter

- Magnesium: Even by RDAs you arent deficient in this you just dont have enough, or do you? Again, you need less then average person, due to magnesium converts carbs to energy and antioxidant defense. You get enough of magnesium for its other uses.

- Manganese: Again, turns carbs into energy and antioxidant defenses, if you eat some liver a day you will have enough for other manganese uses


Carb eaters read below

- Repeating this again, replace vegetables with fruit, that simple.




4. Optional Guidance


// If you just replace it with fruit and dont live with your parents, you dont need to read this

- It definitetly is hard to convice your parents that vegetables arent healthy and you dont want to eat them. What you can do is eat pseudo vegetables.


- But what are pseudo vegetables?

Pseudo vegetables: Pseudo vegetables are fruits, which people think are vegetables. If your parents insist on you eating vegetables, here are some recommendations.

1. Avocado

- Avocado is a fruit with low carbohydrate content, it isnt nutrient dense, but isnt harmful alot. Only problem IMO with avocado if the high amounts of Omega-6, otherwise its the best pseudo vegetables. For nutrition it has some vitamin E , B9 and K1. They contain moderate amount of oxalates.

2. Tomato

- Tomatoes are also fruit, its more common known tho. Again they are low carb fruit, they have some B9 and K1. They contain a moderate amount of oxalates, but still its a healthy fruit compared to other vegetables.

3. Cucumber

- Cucumbers are low carb fruit, they are mostly water and contain some K1 and trace amounts of some B vitamins. Low amount of oxalates.

Honorable Mention: Carrot

- This isnt a pseudo vegetable, its a actual vegetable but id say they only harm to a moderate amount. They have mainly Beta-Carotene, which could help you "imitate" tanned skin, and some K1 and trace B vitamins. Nothing burger vegetable.


Cooking vegetables

- If you are strapped to a chair and absolutely are forced to eat them, at least cook them to death. By cooking you reduce some nutrition thats true, but you also lose alot of the antinutrients. This is a last resort, doesnt help as much as not eating them at all.






TLDR: Vegetables are full of antinutrients that lessens the absorption of micronutrients, if you can replace them with fruits. They arent necessary, healthy, optimal, have little nutrition, never eat them. If you would be absolutely forced to eat them, cook them first.




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This thread will explain to you why vegetables arent healthy, optimal, beneficial and necessary

I will cover:

- Common Misconceptions
- What makes them unhealthy
- Why they arent necessary
- Etc.



// TLDR at end //
// Bump this up so more people will see this //
1. Common misconceptions about vegetables, and the truth

- "Vegetables are needed for fiber"

Truth: Fiber isnt essential, its not even a nutrient, its an antinutrient that blocks absorption of vitamins and minerals. Fiber is an indigestible part of plant, why would humans need something indigestible in their diet??


- "Vegetables are nutrient dense"
Truth: They lack alot of nutrition, they have some vitamin C, E, B9, K1 and some trace vitamin Bs, they lack (A, B6, B12, D3, K2, creatine, carnitine, taurine, carnosine, cholesterol, CLA, heme iron, CoQ10, Omega-3 DHA & EPA). There isnt a single nutrient your body needs from vegetables that it cant get from meat.


- "They help with constipation"

Truth: They dont, they irritate the gut and are indigestible, in controlled trials there has been shown that when fiber is taken out of a diet, digestive issues gone away.


- "You need them for good microbiome"

Truth: Never. Inuit have 0 fiber in their diet and their microbiome is great.


- "They are full of antioxidants"
Truth: The so called "antioxidants" from vegetables behave as prooxidants in the human body, never essential or beneficial


- "They lower sugar absorption"
Truth: They lower absorption of everything, and why would you eat something that u wanna absorb less of??


2. What makes them unhealthy
- Full of antinutrients (oxalates, phytates, lectins, tannins, goitrogens, trypsin inhibitors) but what do each of them do??

Phytic acid:
Found in alot of vegetables, lower absorption of vitamins and minerals

Oxalates: Found mostly in leafy greens, they bind mostly to calcium, 80% of kidney stones are calcium-oxalate stones
Lectins: Found in legumes, may contribute to autoimmune disorder and block mineral absorption
Tannins: Mostly just bind to iron and reduce the absorption of it
Goitrogens: Found in brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc. They mess up your thyroid and cause iodine deficiency. (Dangerous during development)

Trypsin Inhibitors: Inhibit protein absorption and protein quality
There are alot more of these antinutrients, these are the main ones
- Fiber, its also an antinutrient it self, as i already mentioned it lowers the absorption of nutrients and minerals, contribute to digestive issues etc.

- They contain pesticides, nitrates and heavy metals. Pesticides mess with your hormones and heavy metals bind to enzymes and protein

3. Why they arent necessary

// Already went through some, but ill repeat it again

- Common BS parents, doctors etc. tell you "Oh the body needs it" but when you asked then why they dont have no proof. They might rant about "oh u need the fiber" but fiber is never necessary, its actually better if you eat less/0. There arent many studies about fiber but im gonna link here the best one here. They will also probably say that they are nutrient dense, we know its not, they are more so nutrient deficient they lack alot of nutrition.




Vitamin C

No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, you dont need to worry much about vitamin C, but why? Primal diet doesnt have any carbs(only lactose from milk) and for the average person who eats carbs gets alot of glucose which competes with vitamin C for the GLUT transporters(mainly GLUT1) Its called Glucose-Ascorbate Antagonism. The vitamin C you need is very low due to not eating carbs, you have low oxidative stress which lessens the need for it, you have lower insulin which helps the vitamin C recycle better, and its use for collagen you get alot from meat. Muscle meat does contain vitamin C, so does milk and alot of C is in liver, so dont worry you will be okay. YOU WONT GET SCURVY



Carb eaters read below

- If you consume carbs in your diet, then get it from fruits rather then vegetables. Fruits have more of the vitamin C and fruits have generaly lower amounts of antinutrients. Also vegetables tastes like shit just eat the fruit.


Other vitamins and minerals you may be "deficient in"
// IMPORTANT NOTE: RDAs are calculated by an average person, which means if you follow a good diet, your body is different, so you shouldnt be guided by RDAs


No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, RDAs might say you are deficient in these. (Vitamin B1, D2, K1, E, magnesium, manganese)

- B1: You wont be deficient but may "lack" it by RDAs. Main function of B1 is converting carbs into energy, so if you follow a 0/low carb diet, you dont need same amount as average person does. You will get more then enough to use other functions of B1, no need to worry

- D2: You get more then enough D3. D3 is in every single way superior to D2. No need to worry

- K1: Same as D2 and D3 is K1 and K2. K2 is just superior

- E: Main function of vitamin E is antioxidant defense, protects your cells against oxidative stress. Guess what, you have nothing in your diet to cause oxidative stress, you dont need the RDA value of this. Also you get alot from butter

- Magnesium: Even by RDAs you arent deficient in this you just dont have enough, or do you? Again, you need less then average person, due to magnesium converts carbs to energy and antioxidant defense. You get enough of magnesium for its other uses.

- Manganese: Again, turns carbs into energy and antioxidant defenses, if you eat some liver a day you will have enough for other manganese uses


Carb eaters read below

- Repeating this again, replace vegetables with fruit, that simple.




4. Optional Guidance


// If you just replace it with fruit and dont live with your parents, you dont need to read this

- It definitetly is hard to convice your parents that vegetables arent healthy and you dont want to eat them. What you can do is eat pseudo vegetables.


- But what are pseudo vegetables?

Pseudo vegetables: Pseudo vegetables are fruits, which people think are vegetables. If your parents insist on you eating vegetables, here are some recommendations.

1. Avocado

- Avocado is a fruit with low carbohydrate content, it isnt nutrient dense, but isnt harmful alot. Only problem IMO with avocado if the high amounts of Omega-6, otherwise its the best pseudo vegetables. For nutrition it has some vitamin E , B9 and K1. They contain moderate amount of oxalates.

2. Tomato

- Tomatoes are also fruit, its more common known tho. Again they are low carb fruit, they have some B9 and K1. They contain a moderate amount of oxalates, but still its a healthy fruit compared to other vegetables.

3. Cucumber

- Cucumbers are low carb fruit, they are mostly water and contain some K1 and trace amounts of some B vitamins. Low amount of oxalates.

Honorable Mention: Carrot

- This isnt a pseudo vegetable, its a actual vegetable but id say they only harm to a moderate amount. They have mainly Beta-Carotene, which could help you "imitate" tanned skin, and some K1 and trace B vitamins. Nothing burger vegetable.


Cooking vegetables

- If you are strapped to a chair and absolutely are forced to eat them, at least cook them to death. By cooking you reduce some nutrition thats true, but you also lose alot of the antinutrients. This is a last resort, doesnt help as much as not eating them at all.






TLDR: Vegetables are full of antinutrients that lessens the absorption of micronutrients, if you can replace them with fruits. They arent necessary, healthy, optimal, have little nutrition, never eat them. If you would be absolutely forced to eat them, cook them first.




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This thread will explain to you why vegetables arent healthy, optimal, beneficial and necessary

I will cover:

- Common Misconceptions
- What makes them unhealthy
- Why they arent necessary
- Etc.



// TLDR at end //
// Bump this up so more people will see this //
1. Common misconceptions about vegetables, and the truth

- "Vegetables are needed for fiber"

Truth: Fiber isnt essential, its not even a nutrient, its an antinutrient that blocks absorption of vitamins and minerals. Fiber is an indigestible part of plant, why would humans need something indigestible in their diet??


- "Vegetables are nutrient dense"
Truth: They lack alot of nutrition, they have some vitamin C, E, B9, K1 and some trace vitamin Bs, they lack (A, B6, B12, D3, K2, creatine, carnitine, taurine, carnosine, cholesterol, CLA, heme iron, CoQ10, Omega-3 DHA & EPA). There isnt a single nutrient your body needs from vegetables that it cant get from meat.


- "They help with constipation"

Truth: They dont, they irritate the gut and are indigestible, in controlled trials there has been shown that when fiber is taken out of a diet, digestive issues gone away.


- "You need them for good microbiome"

Truth: Never. Inuit have 0 fiber in their diet and their microbiome is great.


- "They are full of antioxidants"
Truth: The so called "antioxidants" from vegetables behave as prooxidants in the human body, never essential or beneficial


- "They lower sugar absorption"
Truth: They lower absorption of everything, and why would you eat something that u wanna absorb less of??


2. What makes them unhealthy
- Full of antinutrients (oxalates, phytates, lectins, tannins, goitrogens, trypsin inhibitors) but what do each of them do??

Phytic acid:
Found in alot of vegetables, lower absorption of vitamins and minerals

Oxalates: Found mostly in leafy greens, they bind mostly to calcium, 80% of kidney stones are calcium-oxalate stones
Lectins: Found in legumes, may contribute to autoimmune disorder and block mineral absorption
Tannins: Mostly just bind to iron and reduce the absorption of it
Goitrogens: Found in brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc. They mess up your thyroid and cause iodine deficiency. (Dangerous during development)

Trypsin Inhibitors: Inhibit protein absorption and protein quality
There are alot more of these antinutrients, these are the main ones
- Fiber, its also an antinutrient it self, as i already mentioned it lowers the absorption of nutrients and minerals, contribute to digestive issues etc.

- They contain pesticides, nitrates and heavy metals. Pesticides mess with your hormones and heavy metals bind to enzymes and protein

3. Why they arent necessary

// Already went through some, but ill repeat it again

- Common BS parents, doctors etc. tell you "Oh the body needs it" but when you asked then why they dont have no proof. They might rant about "oh u need the fiber" but fiber is never necessary, its actually better if you eat less/0. There arent many studies about fiber but im gonna link here the best one here. They will also probably say that they are nutrient dense, we know its not, they are more so nutrient deficient they lack alot of nutrition.




Vitamin C

No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, you dont need to worry much about vitamin C, but why? Primal diet doesnt have any carbs(only lactose from milk) and for the average person who eats carbs gets alot of glucose which competes with vitamin C for the GLUT transporters(mainly GLUT1) Its called Glucose-Ascorbate Antagonism. The vitamin C you need is very low due to not eating carbs, you have low oxidative stress which lessens the need for it, you have lower insulin which helps the vitamin C recycle better, and its use for collagen you get alot from meat. Muscle meat does contain vitamin C, so does milk and alot of C is in liver, so dont worry you will be okay. YOU WONT GET SCURVY



Carb eaters read below

- If you consume carbs in your diet, then get it from fruits rather then vegetables. Fruits have more of the vitamin C and fruits have generaly lower amounts of antinutrients. Also vegetables tastes like shit just eat the fruit.


Other vitamins and minerals you may be "deficient in"
// IMPORTANT NOTE: RDAs are calculated by an average person, which means if you follow a good diet, your body is different, so you shouldnt be guided by RDAs


No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, RDAs might say you are deficient in these. (Vitamin B1, D2, K1, E, magnesium, manganese)

- B1: You wont be deficient but may "lack" it by RDAs. Main function of B1 is converting carbs into energy, so if you follow a 0/low carb diet, you dont need same amount as average person does. You will get more then enough to use other functions of B1, no need to worry

- D2: You get more then enough D3. D3 is in every single way superior to D2. No need to worry

- K1: Same as D2 and D3 is K1 and K2. K2 is just superior

- E: Main function of vitamin E is antioxidant defense, protects your cells against oxidative stress. Guess what, you have nothing in your diet to cause oxidative stress, you dont need the RDA value of this. Also you get alot from butter

- Magnesium: Even by RDAs you arent deficient in this you just dont have enough, or do you? Again, you need less then average person, due to magnesium converts carbs to energy and antioxidant defense. You get enough of magnesium for its other uses.

- Manganese: Again, turns carbs into energy and antioxidant defenses, if you eat some liver a day you will have enough for other manganese uses


Carb eaters read below

- Repeating this again, replace vegetables with fruit, that simple.




4. Optional Guidance


// If you just replace it with fruit and dont live with your parents, you dont need to read this

- It definitetly is hard to convice your parents that vegetables arent healthy and you dont want to eat them. What you can do is eat pseudo vegetables.


- But what are pseudo vegetables?

Pseudo vegetables: Pseudo vegetables are fruits, which people think are vegetables. If your parents insist on you eating vegetables, here are some recommendations.

1. Avocado

- Avocado is a fruit with low carbohydrate content, it isnt nutrient dense, but isnt harmful alot. Only problem IMO with avocado if the high amounts of Omega-6, otherwise its the best pseudo vegetables. For nutrition it has some vitamin E , B9 and K1. They contain moderate amount of oxalates.

2. Tomato

- Tomatoes are also fruit, its more common known tho. Again they are low carb fruit, they have some B9 and K1. They contain a moderate amount of oxalates, but still its a healthy fruit compared to other vegetables.

3. Cucumber

- Cucumbers are low carb fruit, they are mostly water and contain some K1 and trace amounts of some B vitamins. Low amount of oxalates.

Honorable Mention: Carrot

- This isnt a pseudo vegetable, its a actual vegetable but id say they only harm to a moderate amount. They have mainly Beta-Carotene, which could help you "imitate" tanned skin, and some K1 and trace B vitamins. Nothing burger vegetable.


Cooking vegetables

- If you are strapped to a chair and absolutely are forced to eat them, at least cook them to death. By cooking you reduce some nutrition thats true, but you also lose alot of the antinutrients. This is a last resort, doesnt help as much as not eating them at all.






TLDR: Vegetables are full of antinutrients that lessens the absorption of micronutrients, if you can replace them with fruits. They arent necessary, healthy, optimal, have little nutrition, never eat them. If you would be absolutely forced to eat them, cook them first.




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people still think vegetables are unhealthy in the big 25?
 
you got this from chatgpt?? 😂😂😂 you can make the exact amount of glucose you need via gluconeogensis from protein retard, you get plenty of energy from fat
yeah bro it clearly looks copied from chatgpt :feelsuhh:. anyways to each their own you are sacrificing amino acids and protein for energy you could get from carbs which taste amazing. JFL if you actually think 0 carbs will be so optimal to make you CL+ and ascend you. not a single attractive guy youd wanna look like follows 0 carbs:lul::lul:
 
Avocado is great for debloating due to its high potassium concentration + tasty af too
 

This thread will explain to you why vegetables arent healthy, optimal, beneficial and necessary

I will cover:

- Common Misconceptions
- What makes them unhealthy
- Why they arent necessary
- Etc.



// TLDR at end //
// Bump this up so more people will see this //
1. Common misconceptions about vegetables, and the truth

- "Vegetables are needed for fiber"

Truth: Fiber isnt essential, its not even a nutrient, its an antinutrient that blocks absorption of vitamins and minerals. Fiber is an indigestible part of plant, why would humans need something indigestible in their diet??


- "Vegetables are nutrient dense"
Truth: They lack alot of nutrition, they have some vitamin C, E, B9, K1 and some trace vitamin Bs, they lack (A, B6, B12, D3, K2, creatine, carnitine, taurine, carnosine, cholesterol, CLA, heme iron, CoQ10, Omega-3 DHA & EPA). There isnt a single nutrient your body needs from vegetables that it cant get from meat.


- "They help with constipation"

Truth: They dont, they irritate the gut and are indigestible, in controlled trials there has been shown that when fiber is taken out of a diet, digestive issues gone away.


- "You need them for good microbiome"

Truth: Never. Inuit have 0 fiber in their diet and their microbiome is great.


- "They are full of antioxidants"
Truth: The so called "antioxidants" from vegetables behave as prooxidants in the human body, never essential or beneficial


- "They lower sugar absorption"
Truth: They lower absorption of everything, and why would you eat something that u wanna absorb less of??


2. What makes them unhealthy
- Full of antinutrients (oxalates, phytates, lectins, tannins, goitrogens, trypsin inhibitors) but what do each of them do??

Phytic acid:
Found in alot of vegetables, lower absorption of vitamins and minerals

Oxalates: Found mostly in leafy greens, they bind mostly to calcium, 80% of kidney stones are calcium-oxalate stones
Lectins: Found in legumes, may contribute to autoimmune disorder and block mineral absorption
Tannins: Mostly just bind to iron and reduce the absorption of it
Goitrogens: Found in brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc. They mess up your thyroid and cause iodine deficiency. (Dangerous during development)

Trypsin Inhibitors: Inhibit protein absorption and protein quality
There are alot more of these antinutrients, these are the main ones
- Fiber, its also an antinutrient it self, as i already mentioned it lowers the absorption of nutrients and minerals, contribute to digestive issues etc.

- They contain pesticides, nitrates and heavy metals. Pesticides mess with your hormones and heavy metals bind to enzymes and protein

3. Why they arent necessary

// Already went through some, but ill repeat it again

- Common BS parents, doctors etc. tell you "Oh the body needs it" but when you asked then why they dont have no proof. They might rant about "oh u need the fiber" but fiber is never necessary, its actually better if you eat less/0. There arent many studies about fiber but im gonna link here the best one here. They will also probably say that they are nutrient dense, we know its not, they are more so nutrient deficient they lack alot of nutrition.




Vitamin C

No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, you dont need to worry much about vitamin C, but why? Primal diet doesnt have any carbs(only lactose from milk) and for the average person who eats carbs gets alot of glucose which competes with vitamin C for the GLUT transporters(mainly GLUT1) Its called Glucose-Ascorbate Antagonism. The vitamin C you need is very low due to not eating carbs, you have low oxidative stress which lessens the need for it, you have lower insulin which helps the vitamin C recycle better, and its use for collagen you get alot from meat. Muscle meat does contain vitamin C, so does milk and alot of C is in liver, so dont worry you will be okay. YOU WONT GET SCURVY



Carb eaters read below

- If you consume carbs in your diet, then get it from fruits rather then vegetables. Fruits have more of the vitamin C and fruits have generaly lower amounts of antinutrients. Also vegetables tastes like shit just eat the fruit.


Other vitamins and minerals you may be "deficient in"
// IMPORTANT NOTE: RDAs are calculated by an average person, which means if you follow a good diet, your body is different, so you shouldnt be guided by RDAs


No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, RDAs might say you are deficient in these. (Vitamin B1, D2, K1, E, magnesium, manganese)

- B1: You wont be deficient but may "lack" it by RDAs. Main function of B1 is converting carbs into energy, so if you follow a 0/low carb diet, you dont need same amount as average person does. You will get more then enough to use other functions of B1, no need to worry

- D2: You get more then enough D3. D3 is in every single way superior to D2. No need to worry

- K1: Same as D2 and D3 is K1 and K2. K2 is just superior

- E: Main function of vitamin E is antioxidant defense, protects your cells against oxidative stress. Guess what, you have nothing in your diet to cause oxidative stress, you dont need the RDA value of this. Also you get alot from butter

- Magnesium: Even by RDAs you arent deficient in this you just dont have enough, or do you? Again, you need less then average person, due to magnesium converts carbs to energy and antioxidant defense. You get enough of magnesium for its other uses.

- Manganese: Again, turns carbs into energy and antioxidant defenses, if you eat some liver a day you will have enough for other manganese uses


Carb eaters read below

- Repeating this again, replace vegetables with fruit, that simple.




4. Optional Guidance


// If you just replace it with fruit and dont live with your parents, you dont need to read this

- It definitetly is hard to convice your parents that vegetables arent healthy and you dont want to eat them. What you can do is eat pseudo vegetables.


- But what are pseudo vegetables?

Pseudo vegetables: Pseudo vegetables are fruits, which people think are vegetables. If your parents insist on you eating vegetables, here are some recommendations.

1. Avocado

- Avocado is a fruit with low carbohydrate content, it isnt nutrient dense, but isnt harmful alot. Only problem IMO with avocado if the high amounts of Omega-6, otherwise its the best pseudo vegetables. For nutrition it has some vitamin E , B9 and K1. They contain moderate amount of oxalates.

2. Tomato

- Tomatoes are also fruit, its more common known tho. Again they are low carb fruit, they have some B9 and K1. They contain a moderate amount of oxalates, but still its a healthy fruit compared to other vegetables.

3. Cucumber

- Cucumbers are low carb fruit, they are mostly water and contain some K1 and trace amounts of some B vitamins. Low amount of oxalates.

Honorable Mention: Carrot

- This isnt a pseudo vegetable, its a actual vegetable but id say they only harm to a moderate amount. They have mainly Beta-Carotene, which could help you "imitate" tanned skin, and some K1 and trace B vitamins. Nothing burger vegetable.


Cooking vegetables

- If you are strapped to a chair and absolutely are forced to eat them, at least cook them to death. By cooking you reduce some nutrition thats true, but you also lose alot of the antinutrients. This is a last resort, doesnt help as much as not eating them at all.






TLDR: Vegetables are full of antinutrients that lessens the absorption of micronutrients, if you can replace them with fruits. They arent necessary, healthy, optimal, have little nutrition, never eat them. If you would be absolutely forced to eat them, cook them first.




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retard telling me carbs arent essential except his carnivore diet is a phase and he'll go back to eating slop.


carbs are ok when eaten at rigjh time
 
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average raw primal eater when presented not even studies but just logical reasoning. You retard can't logically answer my claims so you just go into full agression to compensate for your glucose deprived brains. JFL maybe pick up a carb or two :lul::lul::lul:
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you got this from chatgpt?? 😂😂😂 you can make the exact amount of glucose you need via gluconeogensis from protein retard, you get plenty of energy from fat
If you don't eat carbs you die! (☠️)

Indian high carb diet is superior because of energy 🤟 @Jattgymmaxx
jai hind india GIF
 
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average raw primal eater when presented not even studies but just logical reasoning. You retard can't logically answer my claims so you just go into full agression to compensate for your glycogen deprived brains. JFL maybe pick up a carb or two :lul::lul::lul:View attachment 4142707
Nigger whats your logical reasoning? "Oh because common sense" thats not fucking evidence, and you have NO stuides that arent just epidemiology retard. Stop using chatgpt for information, and all you "logical reasoning" is just mainstream things you hear
 
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JFL if you actually think 0 carbs will be so optimal to make you CL+ and ascend you. not a single attractive guy youd wanna look like follows 0 carbs:lul::lul:
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@EvilSatanArseRapist

This grain sludge slave is even handing out the strawmen from his local wheat farm!

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@EvilSatanArseRapist

What's your soooooource bro! We are monke on ball, oh I mean pear shaped spinning ball and nothing matters! Pay your taxes and eat your veggies goy


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Nigger whats your logical reasoning? "Oh because common sense" thats not fucking evidence, and you have NO stuides that arent just epidemiology retard. Stop using chatgpt for information, and all you "logical reasoning" is just mainstream things you hear
well my logical reasoning is that you arent ascending from sub5 to CL from restricting strictly vegetables and eating 3kg of beef every day. You can cope all you want giving all the studies showing all these scary harmful results from vegetables/carbs but its not changing the fact that restricting 1 of the most important macronutrients isnt ascending you. thats my logical reasoning. all these raw primal niggers saying just eat raw meat and youll become a model. JFL i never once said that everyone should eat vegetables i never said that saturated fats are bad all I said is that you are coping with your extreme diets and making all these aggresive insuliting posts at the end of the day it isnt ascending you even 1% more than any other guy who drink 2 liters of cola a day
 
 
Saar u seem smart. Investing in you.
 
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well my logical reasoning is that you arent ascending from sub5 to CL from restricting strictly vegetables and eating 3kg of beef every day. You can cope all you want giving all the studies showing all these scary harmful results from vegetables/carbs but its not changing the fact that restricting 1 of the most important macronutrients isnt ascending you. thats my logical reasoning. all these raw primal niggers saying just eat raw meat and youll become a model. JFL i never once said that everyone should eat vegetables i never said that saturated fats are bad all I said is that you are coping with your extreme diets and making all these aggresive insuliting posts at the end of the day it isnt ascending you even 1% more than any other guy who drink 2 liters of cola a day
no shit it wont ascend you from sub5 to cl, but the vegetables have no benefits, its just mild poision. Eating clean will keep your skin clean. How are you calling fiber macronutrient? its not even a nutrient, its literally an ANTINUTRIENT, how can you even call it macro when you dont even need it. Definition of nutrient is something nourishing and essential, fiber is not nourishing and definetly not essential. I wouldnt rlly call restricting consumption of poision extreme, i would call extreme eating the poision. And your last statement is simply just false
 
no shit it wont ascend you from sub5 to cl, but the vegetables have no benefits, its just mild poision. Eating clean will keep your skin clean. How are you calling fiber macronutrient? its not even a nutrient, its literally an ANTINUTRIENT, how can you even call it macro when you dont even need it. Definition of nutrient is something nourishing and essential, fiber is not nourishing and definetly not essential. I wouldnt rlly call restricting consumption of poision extreme, i would call extreme eating the poision. And your last statement is simply just false
i meant carbs not fiber JFL. also last statement is overexxagerated but its true
 
this is the most high effort low IQ thread I have ever read.

However I did still read it, let me ask dude in terms of daily exposure to pollutants such as PFAO , Carbon poisoning, microplastics in everything, what is the issue with vegetables?

I completely respect your point of view, but for instance vitamin a and beta carotene found in carrots is a looksmax and I could go way more in to depth about this but I am very busy
 
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This thread will explain to you why vegetables arent healthy, optimal, beneficial and necessary

I will cover:

- Common Misconceptions
- What makes them unhealthy
- Why they arent necessary
- Etc.



// TLDR at end //
// Bump this up so more people will see this //
1. Common misconceptions about vegetables, and the truth

- "Vegetables are needed for fiber"

Truth: Fiber isnt essential, its not even a nutrient, its an antinutrient that blocks absorption of vitamins and minerals. Fiber is an indigestible part of plant, why would humans need something indigestible in their diet??


- "Vegetables are nutrient dense"
Truth: They lack alot of nutrition, they have some vitamin C, E, B9, K1 and some trace vitamin Bs, they lack (A, B6, B12, D3, K2, creatine, carnitine, taurine, carnosine, cholesterol, CLA, heme iron, CoQ10, Omega-3 DHA & EPA). There isnt a single nutrient your body needs from vegetables that it cant get from meat.


- "They help with constipation"

Truth: They dont, they irritate the gut and are indigestible, in controlled trials there has been shown that when fiber is taken out of a diet, digestive issues gone away.


- "You need them for good microbiome"

Truth: Never. Inuit have 0 fiber in their diet and their microbiome is great.


- "They are full of antioxidants"
Truth: The so called "antioxidants" from vegetables behave as prooxidants in the human body, never essential or beneficial


- "They lower sugar absorption"
Truth: They lower absorption of everything, and why would you eat something that u wanna absorb less of??


2. What makes them unhealthy
- Full of antinutrients (oxalates, phytates, lectins, tannins, goitrogens, trypsin inhibitors) but what do each of them do??

Phytic acid:
Found in alot of vegetables, lower absorption of vitamins and minerals

Oxalates: Found mostly in leafy greens, they bind mostly to calcium, 80% of kidney stones are calcium-oxalate stones
Lectins: Found in legumes, may contribute to autoimmune disorder and block mineral absorption
Tannins: Mostly just bind to iron and reduce the absorption of it
Goitrogens: Found in brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc. They mess up your thyroid and cause iodine deficiency. (Dangerous during development)

Trypsin Inhibitors: Inhibit protein absorption and protein quality
There are alot more of these antinutrients, these are the main ones
- Fiber, its also an antinutrient it self, as i already mentioned it lowers the absorption of nutrients and minerals, contribute to digestive issues etc.

- They contain pesticides, nitrates and heavy metals. Pesticides mess with your hormones and heavy metals bind to enzymes and protein

3. Why they arent necessary

// Already went through some, but ill repeat it again

- Common BS parents, doctors etc. tell you "Oh the body needs it" but when you asked then why they dont have no proof. They might rant about "oh u need the fiber" but fiber is never necessary, its actually better if you eat less/0. There arent many studies about fiber but im gonna link here the best one here. They will also probably say that they are nutrient dense, we know its not, they are more so nutrient deficient they lack alot of nutrition.




Vitamin C

No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, you dont need to worry much about vitamin C, but why? Primal diet doesnt have any carbs(only lactose from milk) and for the average person who eats carbs gets alot of glucose which competes with vitamin C for the GLUT transporters(mainly GLUT1) Its called Glucose-Ascorbate Antagonism. The vitamin C you need is very low due to not eating carbs, you have low oxidative stress which lessens the need for it, you have lower insulin which helps the vitamin C recycle better, and its use for collagen you get alot from meat. Muscle meat does contain vitamin C, so does milk and alot of C is in liver, so dont worry you will be okay. YOU WONT GET SCURVY



Carb eaters read below

- If you consume carbs in your diet, then get it from fruits rather then vegetables. Fruits have more of the vitamin C and fruits have generaly lower amounts of antinutrients. Also vegetables tastes like shit just eat the fruit.


Other vitamins and minerals you may be "deficient in"
// IMPORTANT NOTE: RDAs are calculated by an average person, which means if you follow a good diet, your body is different, so you shouldnt be guided by RDAs


No Carbs read below

- If you follow a primal diet, RDAs might say you are deficient in these. (Vitamin B1, D2, K1, E, magnesium, manganese)

- B1: You wont be deficient but may "lack" it by RDAs. Main function of B1 is converting carbs into energy, so if you follow a 0/low carb diet, you dont need same amount as average person does. You will get more then enough to use other functions of B1, no need to worry

- D2: You get more then enough D3. D3 is in every single way superior to D2. No need to worry

- K1: Same as D2 and D3 is K1 and K2. K2 is just superior

- E: Main function of vitamin E is antioxidant defense, protects your cells against oxidative stress. Guess what, you have nothing in your diet to cause oxidative stress, you dont need the RDA value of this. Also you get alot from butter

- Magnesium: Even by RDAs you arent deficient in this you just dont have enough, or do you? Again, you need less then average person, due to magnesium converts carbs to energy and antioxidant defense. You get enough of magnesium for its other uses.

- Manganese: Again, turns carbs into energy and antioxidant defenses, if you eat some liver a day you will have enough for other manganese uses


Carb eaters read below

- Repeating this again, replace vegetables with fruit, that simple.




4. Optional Guidance


// If you just replace it with fruit and dont live with your parents, you dont need to read this

- It definitetly is hard to convice your parents that vegetables arent healthy and you dont want to eat them. What you can do is eat pseudo vegetables.


- But what are pseudo vegetables?

Pseudo vegetables: Pseudo vegetables are fruits, which people think are vegetables. If your parents insist on you eating vegetables, here are some recommendations.

1. Avocado

- Avocado is a fruit with low carbohydrate content, it isnt nutrient dense, but isnt harmful alot. Only problem IMO with avocado if the high amounts of Omega-6, otherwise its the best pseudo vegetables. For nutrition it has some vitamin E , B9 and K1. They contain moderate amount of oxalates.

2. Tomato

- Tomatoes are also fruit, its more common known tho. Again they are low carb fruit, they have some B9 and K1. They contain a moderate amount of oxalates, but still its a healthy fruit compared to other vegetables.

3. Cucumber

- Cucumbers are low carb fruit, they are mostly water and contain some K1 and trace amounts of some B vitamins. Low amount of oxalates.

Honorable Mention: Carrot

- This isnt a pseudo vegetable, its a actual vegetable but id say they only harm to a moderate amount. They have mainly Beta-Carotene, which could help you "imitate" tanned skin, and some K1 and trace B vitamins. Nothing burger vegetable.


Cooking vegetables

- If you are strapped to a chair and absolutely are forced to eat them, at least cook them to death. By cooking you reduce some nutrition thats true, but you also lose alot of the antinutrients. This is a last resort, doesnt help as much as not eating them at all.






TLDR: Vegetables are full of antinutrients that lessens the absorption of micronutrients, if you can replace them with fruits. They arent necessary, healthy, optimal, have little nutrition, never eat them. If you would be absolutely forced to eat them, cook them first.




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this is the most high effort low IQ thread I have ever read.

However I did still read it, let me ask dude in terms of daily exposure to pollutants such as PFAO , Carbon poisoning, microplastics in everything, what is the issue with vegetables?

I completely respect your point of view, but for instance vitamin a and beta carotene found in carrots is a looksmax and I could go way more in to depth about this but I am very busy
Bro, most of the content here has been posted like one hundred times in this forum and tiktok, this is the most water knowledge thread ever.
 
Bro, most of the content here has been posted like one hundred times in this forum and tiktok, this is the most water knowledge thread ever.
veg is bad then bro :lul:

jesus fucking christ you kids are low iq
 
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veg is bad then bro :lul:

jesus fucking christ you kids are low iq
Nigga did you fucking read what i wrote, i said there's one hundred identical threads to this one, its Just a copy paste, you fucking retarded ape nigger.
 
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Nigga did you fucking read what i wrote, i said there's one hundred identical threads to this one, its Just a copy paste, you fucking retarded ape nigger.
sorry english isn't my first langauge and I can tell it is not yours either

but yes, it is low iq advice, ts pmo that niggers like this just put out retarded advice
 
this is the most high effort low IQ thread I have ever read.

However I did still read it, let me ask dude in terms of daily exposure to pollutants such as PFAO , Carbon poisoning, microplastics in everything, what is the issue with vegetables?

I completely respect your point of view, but for instance vitamin a and beta carotene found in carrots is a looksmax and I could go way more in to depth about this but I am very busy
same i also could, fox example the betacarotene to vitamin A(retinol) is 12:1 conversion rate (as base) and around 45% of us convert it at rate around 25:1. thanks for your opinion tho, absolutely agree microplastics etc etc are 100 times worse, im just not enough educated on them to make a threat.
 
Nigga did you fucking read what i wrote, i said there's one hundred identical threads to this one, its Just a copy paste, you fucking retarded ape nigger.
I never seen any threads like this imma be real
 
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your defintitely an avid soylent enjoyer
 

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