(Vid/pics) Masseter vs. Gonial Bone Growth for Me to Ascend?

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

My lower third is far too narrow for my wide cheekbones, but I am not sure whether to add width via gonial bone (filler, bonesmashing) or muscle via chewing.

Chewing went poorly in the past when on PEDs and I overdid it and got masseter botox later; but I also was not completely lean and debloated so don't fully know how it would have looked.

As seen in pics, bonesmashing swelling for gonial width ascends me a lot, so wondering if bone is the way and not masseters.

The day after chewing, I do have a bit of residual pump or glycogen fullness that ascends me a bit via this extra width; but ofc, this is not a perfect proxy for what actual hypertrophy will look like.

So, not sure, based on my structure and masseter insertions, if to pursue:
-gonial width
-masseter growth
-or both

Really need direction on this...


@Orc
@Cheat_Win
@project chadlite
@gymcel64
@edodalic29
@chadisbeingmade

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

If anyone knows someone who has written on these areas or done these things, it would be a huge help if you could tag them for me!

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

 

[project chadlite]

Looks sickly
Try gaining some BF% and obviously gaining a few mms in width from training your masseters

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Looks sickly
Try gaining some BF% and obviously gaining a few mms in width from training your masseters

wtf so are the people telling me that I went too far on leanness actually legit
I'm always comparing to people like Barrett and not normal standards and so my POV is different than most
+ super hard to judge yourself, can't see objectively, and the impulse to get as far away from a bloated past as possible
I've written off 'too lean' as normie perception advice

this is concerning

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

May 2025 before the spiritual arc that began upon meeting my savior GLP drugs

 

[project chadlite]

wtf so are the people telling me that I went too far on leanness actually legit
I'm always comparing to people like Barrett and not normal standards and so my POV is different than most
+ super hard to judge yourself, can't see objectively, and the impulse to get as far away from a bloated past as possible
I've written off 'too lean' as normie perception advice

this is concerning

You just look like you're starving, which isn't optimal. Your face looks thin as well and the abnormal zygo growth doesn't really make it any better. If you want instant results to fill up your jaw then you should go for fillers, if not, chew hard gum and increase the load for a few years

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

You just look like you're starving, which isn't optimal. Your face looks thin as well and the abnormal zygo growth doesn't really make it any better. If you want instant results to fill up your jaw then you should go for fillers, if not, chew hard gum and increase the load for a few years

Thx. as for the masseters, are you knowledagable on the implications of insertion types and whatnot. don't want to round out my face in the case I don't have the right shape

 

[project chadlite]

Thx. as for the masseters, are you knowledagable on the implications of insertion types and whatnot. don't want to round out my face in the case I don't have the right shape

I mean it doesn't matter that much, your zygos are so wide that even if your masseteric insertions were to be round, it wouldn't be able to get rid of your angularity fully, as in make you look bloated

 

[Cheat_Win]

Dm me

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Dm me

Can you DM me actually? Don’t think I have the option being a new account. Was really hoping to talk to you specifically

 

[auptimistic]

I mean it doesn't matter that much, your zygos are so wide that even if your masseteric insertions were to be round, it wouldn't be able to get rid of your angularity fully, as in make you look bloated

Dyt training would be worth it for me? My "insertions" (ramus-based locations of my masseters) seem a little high. My bf%'s up to 16ish so I'm sorry if it's harder to tell. I'm not tryna fuck up my TMJ just to look like a chipmunk

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

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Dyt training would be worth it for me? My "insertions" (ramus-based locations of my masseters) seem a little high. My bf%'s up to 16ish so I'm sorry if it's harder to tell. I'm not tryna fuck up my TMJ just to look like a chipmunk

couple old pics at me, top one less lean, showing how we looked kinda similar except you have a nice robust perfect chin whereas I had a tiny pointy chin that I needed to work on as well

this pic was to show my plan for gonial area lateral growth; im hitting above the corner this vertical spot right above the angle. maybe technically lower part of the ramus and not gonion, idk. hammer from sorta the side but a bit from behind since directly sideways onto this hits too much masseter and soft tissue. I wonder if you should try this and see how the swelling looks on you since a good session instantly ascends me and shows me I need to keep working on it. masseters are just a risky business since it is so hard to tell if you will ascend or not or if it is more of a bone issue, etc. ie, im still torn on the masseter question since it is so nuanced and tricky; I am not chewing rn to be safe, just bonesmashing and can always chew later since chewing daily esp if PEDs means fast growth

but what I was going to say is you should try hitting this same spot as a test given you had the similar rounded lower third and weak gnional area like me

lmk if this helps

 

[NoaA99]

Autism.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Autism.

Personally I’ll take this label as long as I can keep my wider chin and better cheekbones and currently improving lower third, thx. But I get it: since this thought is why I stopped-started this process 3 times, wondering if I was nuts etc. But it makes a lot more sense now that the hematomas ossifying theory has been fleshed out since Wolff's law never explained this well as people have pointed out

 

[LTNUser]

I think @Mess can help

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

@Chad I get how cheekbones are subject to the wildest visibility changes, well explain my fucking chin changes then. it was like this until age 20 when I started this process and was not a roid result as I used them for a long time still with a shit chin
would be great if someone with your reserach ability could be developing the hematoma ossification theory that now has fascinating threads on it and the Blake speaks video since this will be the biggest looksmax method yet. it is time to put the 'wolfs law doesn't work' behind us since yes that is probably the case, but these types of results can not be denied and we have another theory of MOA atp

 

[Chad]

well explain my fucking chin changes then.

it very obviously has not.

Your entire face is covered in fat.

case, but these types of results can not be denied

Your fat loss results can’t be denied. That’s it.

 

[project chadlite]

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Dyt training would be worth it for me? My "insertions" (ramus-based locations of my masseters) seem a little high. My bf%'s up to 16ish so I'm sorry if it's harder to tell. I'm not tryna fuck up my TMJ just to look like a chipmunk

Surely but lose bf aswl

 

[auptimistic]

Surely but lose bf aswl

Thanks man. I really appreciate your help

 

[auptimistic]

couple old pics at me, top one less lean, showing how we looked kinda similar except you have a nice robust perfect chin whereas I had a tiny pointy chin that I needed to work on as well

this pic was to show my plan for gonial area lateral growth; im hitting above the corner this vertical spot right above the angle. maybe technically lower part of the ramus and not gonion, idk. hammer from sorta the side but a bit from behind since directly sideways onto this hits too much masseter and soft tissue. I wonder if you should try this and see how the swelling looks on you since a good session instantly ascends me and shows me I need to keep working on it. masseters are just a risky business since it is so hard to tell if you will ascend or not or if it is more of a bone issue, etc. ie, im still torn on the masseter question since it is so nuanced and tricky; I am not chewing rn to be safe, just bonesmashing and can always chew later since chewing daily esp if PEDs means fast growth

but what I was going to say is you should try hitting this same spot as a test given you had the similar rounded lower third and weak gnional area like me

lmk if this helps

Holy shit I wasn't expecting so much effort in a response. Thank you so much my guy. Appreciate the chin complement but my big ass ethnic lips make it look recessed, though I'm starting some new orthodontics so hopefully there's some barely visible overjet I didn't notice and it'll go away jfl

I'm still grey asf so looks aren't enough of a priority to risk the side effects of bonesmashing until we get some more concrete shit, so I think I'll pussy out this time. You mentioned Blake though and I'm interested in his ossification theory asw . Following things closely rn. If he's vindicated (which would be huge for everyone) I'm defo coming back here lmao

Thanks for the help though. I'm new to org and this was a really nice welcome for me

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Holy shit I wasn't expecting so much effort in a response. Thank you so much my guy. Appreciate the chin complement but my big ass ethnic lips make it look recessed, though I'm starting some new orthodontics so hopefully there's some barely visible overjet I didn't notice and it'll go away jfl

I'm still grey asf so looks aren't enough of a priority to risk the side effects of bonesmashing until we get some more concrete shit, so I think I'll pussy out this time. You mentioned Blake though and I'm interested in his ossification theory asw . Following things closely rn. If he's vindicated (which would be huge for everyone) I'm defo coming back here lmao

Thanks for the help though. I'm new to org and this was a really nice welcome for me

good luck with it fs man. hopefully my other comments or posts help with this. also (and I just showed in a comment) even though my 3/4 or side is recessed in PSL terms with lips in front of it, it looks good at this point with being shredded; most psl gods in fact have plenty of 'recessed' unfrauded side profiles out there. just see barrett when bloated or younger vs his insane side profile now etc

 

[bp_1]

My lower third is far too narrow for my wide cheekbones, but I am not sure whether to add width via gonial bone (filler, bonesmashing) or muscle via chewing.

Chewing went poorly in the past when on PEDs and I overdid it and got masseter botox later; but I also was not completely lean and debloated so don't fully know how it would have looked.

As seen in pics, bonesmashing swelling for gonial width ascends me a lot, so wondering if bone is the way and not masseters.

The day after chewing, I do have a bit of residual pump or glycogen fullness that ascends me a bit via this extra width; but ofc, this is not a perfect proxy for what actual hypertrophy will look like.

So, not sure, based on my structure and masseter insertions, if to pursue:
-gonial width
-masseter growth
-or both

Really need direction on this...


@Orc
@Cheat_Win
@project chadlite
@gymcel64
@edodalic29
@chadisbeingmade

ideally you want as much bone as possible since it wont go away as easily as muscle once u grow older. but masseter growth is also important, u should probbaly train ur masseters and still keep bonesmashing ur gonials, once they grow enough, u can cut back on the maseters and use botox

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Looks sickly
Try gaining some BF% and obviously gaining a few mms in width from training your masseters

View attachment 4560341View attachment 4560342
Dyt training would be worth it for me? My "insertions" (ramus-based locations of my masseters) seem a little high. My bf%'s up to 16ish so I'm sorry if it's harder to tell. I'm not tryna fuck up my TMJ just to look like a chipmunk

ideally you want as much bone as possible since it wont go away as easily as muscle once u grow older. but masseter growth is also important, u should probbaly train ur masseters and still keep bonesmashing ur gonials, once they grow enough, u can cut back on the maseters and use botox

https://looksmax.org/threads/pics-definitively-documenting-years-of-bonesmashing-changes-protocol-all-denial-ends-here-tbh.1912092/post-26916274

Lifefuel update on this btw

 

[maxx92765]

My lower third is far too narrow for my wide cheekbones, but I am not sure whether to add width via gonial bone (filler, bonesmashing) or muscle via chewing.

Chewing went poorly in the past when on PEDs and I overdid it and got masseter botox later; but I also was not completely lean and debloated so don't fully know how it would have looked.

As seen in pics, bonesmashing swelling for gonial width ascends me a lot, so wondering if bone is the way and not masseters.

The day after chewing, I do have a bit of residual pump or glycogen fullness that ascends me a bit via this extra width; but ofc, this is not a perfect proxy for what actual hypertrophy will look like.

So, not sure, based on my structure and masseter insertions, if to pursue:
-gonial width
-masseter growth
-or both

Really need direction on this...


@Orc
@Cheat_Win
@project chadlite
@gymcel64
@edodalic29
@chadisbeingmade

King of bonesmashing

 

[heinz_guderian]

dw bro bones will always mog soft tissue

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

dw bro bones will always mog soft tissue