Want to know if a Lefort 1 will ascend me specifically

[villainmogger222224]

I've always had a pretty mid smile which I think sets me back quite a bit. I'm just looking for specific surgical advice on whether it's necessary to get a lefort 1 or just focus on soft tissue, fat grafting or get a tan or something.

I know I definitely do not have a projected maxilla but I really don't think it harmonizes with my stuck out chin/mandible, so I came on here to ask about whether this would be worth the time investing in. E.g (money, pain, recovery). I also don't know if I have an under bite or overbite but based on the fact my breathing is normal and chewing is ideal I do not believe so either, again confirmation on this would be highly appreciated.

If I am to get the lefort 1 I have the funds to do so, which I am not worried about. I'm mostly just worried about aesthetics and I also prefer slightly on the dogmaxxed side, obviously not crocodilemaxxed but forwardly grown.
Here are the photos.

 

[zemult]

Low ROI if any.

 

[villainmogger222224]

Low ROI if any.

alr bet is there really anything I can do to go up 1-2 points?

 

[zemult]

alr bet is there really anything I can do to go up 1-2 points?

No

There isn't any easily fixable falios, that I can see at least

Already decent looking, if you're struggling with women it's due to something else

 

[villainmogger222224]

No

There isn't any easily fixable falios, that I can see at least

Already decent looking, if you're struggling with women it's due to something else

I get like 30+ tinder matches and they are like ltb-mtb but never htb+ I am shit status though work a regular job nothing special. Plus I just wanna mogg, nothing really too deep tbh. I've never been called ugly ever, most people say I'm good looking but I want to get to the next level. If that's not worth it I'll just move on with the softmaxxes tho

 

[2uul]

Yes a lefort will make you look better you'd also need lower jaw realignment though. The lack of structure in the lower midface isn't that noticeable though. if your palate is narrow expanding might even help facial width tbh lower jaw might be a bit narrow but it's not particularly noticeable however the thinner smile is probably why a lefort would work

 

[villainmogger222224]

Yes a lefort will make you look better you'd also need lower jaw realignment though. The lack of structure in the lower midface isn't that noticeable though. if your palate is narrow expanding might even help facial width tbh lower jaw might be a bit narrow but it's not particularly noticeable however the thinner smile is probably why a lefort would work

Do you think I could get away with mid face implants instead of lefort with jaw angle implants since you're saying it's not that recessed anyways.

 

[vermicel]

I've always had a pretty mid smile

If you have enough funds for a Lefort 1, then you can afford teeth whitening and potentially a short Invisalign treatment (your teeth may benefit from minor realignments, not 100 % sure though). Do the basic stuff before considering hardcore options, which, as others already said, would likely have a low ROI in your particular case.

Other basic stuff : get leaner. Judging by your neck and traps, you are not really athletic ; and you store a significant amount of fat in your face, which inevitably softens your jawline. Your bigonial width to bizygomatic width ratio is actually good, you don't need jaw angle implants (which would add volume and not sharpness). You do not seem to lack bone mass in the face.
So, to sum it up, you probably need a body recomposition, i.e. losing fat and ideally putting on some muscle mass.

Once you have done the basic stuff, reassess your options.

P.-S. if I had to suggest a surgery to you, it would be a rhinoplasty rather than orthognathics and implants.

 

[villainmogger222224]

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If you have enough funds for a Lefort 1, then you can afford teeth whitening and potentially a short Invisalign treatment (your teeth may benefit from minor realignments, not 100 % sure though). Do the basic stuff before considering hardcore options, which, as others already said, would likely have a low ROI in your particular case.

Other basic stuff : get leaner. Judging by your neck and traps, you are not really athletic ; and you store a significant amount of fat in your face, which inevitably softens your jawline. Your bigonial width to bizygomatic width ratio is actually good, you don't need jaw angle implants (which would add volume and not sharpness). You do not seem to lack bone mass in the face.
So, to sum it up, you probably need a body recomposition, i.e. losing fat and ideally putting on some muscle mass.

Once you have done the basic stuff, reassess your options.

P.-S. if I had to suggest a surgery to you, it would be a rhinoplasty rather than orthognathics and implants.

hmmm interesting. Thank you for the great perspective, If I may ask also. Reta would technically fit into the category that I would need then no? As it would lean me out and preserve muscle mass. plus neck training and maybe fat grafting or buccal even. Do u think these would be WAAY higher roi then jaw surgery currently?

p.s is that rhino for nose bridge or cartilage. I do have a droopy ass nose tip tbf

 

[vermicel]

Reta would technically fit into the category that I would need then no? As it would lean me out and preserve muscle mass. plus neck training and maybe fat grafting or buccal even. Do u think these would be WAAY higher roi then jaw surgery currently?

Pin reta only if you lack the self-discipline and willpower to actively sort your diet. You don't look overweight, so just a few months of clean diet and regular exercise should yield good results.

Yes to neck training and whatever type of physical exercise you can pursue regularly (could be body weight training at home, or lifting weights at the gym, on top of sports like climbing, swimming, martial arts, etc.). Ideally, you should enjoy the process and stick to it for long term results. Sports with a socializing aspect may be a better choice for long term commitment.

You don't need any fat grafting. This procedure is meant to ADD fat to the face. You don't have any periorbital hollowness or any other sign of fat deficiency (e.g. temples, nasolabial folds).

Buccal fat removal could be considered once you're done with a body recomp, if your cheeks still appear excessively full. I'd bet it won't be the case with you, as you have strong cheekbones and actually very decent gonial mass, with an already visible ogee curve in your current physical condition. Losing fat naturally will bring out angularity and shrink your cheeks' fat pad to the point of probably achieving the right amount of hollowness.

Yes, I do think that these basic lookmaxxes will have a higher ROI than jaw surgery.

 

[villainmogger222224]

Pin reta only if you lack the self-discipline and willpower to actively sort your diet. You don't look overweight, so just a few months of clean diet and regular exercise should yield good results.

Yes to neck training and whatever type of physical exercise you can pursue regularly (could be body weight training at home, or lifting weights at the gym, on top of sports like climbing, swimming, martial arts, etc.). Ideally, you should enjoy the process and stick to it for long term results. Sports with a socializing aspect may be a better choice for long term commitment.

You don't need any fat grafting. This procedure is meant to ADD fat to the face. You don't have any periorbital hollowness or any other sign of fat deficiency (e.g. temples, nasolabial folds).

Buccal fat removal could be considered once you're done with a body recomp, if your cheeks still appear excessively full. I'd bet it won't be the case with you, as you have strong cheekbones and actually very decent gonial mass, with an already visible ogee curve in your current physical condition. Losing fat naturally will bring out angularity and shrink your cheeks' fat pad to the point of probably achieving the right amount of hollowness.

Yes, I do think that these basic lookmaxxes will have a higher ROI than jaw surgery.

rn my diet is mainly meat, dairy and berries. I always eat 600grams of beef everyday and greek yogurt with a few hundred grams of berries, I could be bloatmaxxing because I drink ALOT of coffee. That's about all the calories i'll have, My sleep is pretty shit tho and I need more sunlight for sure. I might try cutting out the dairy it's been a large cope of mine.

cause I say dairy will help my bones and shit but i'm 20 now so it's basically done anyways.

 

[vermicel]

That's about all the calories i'll have

If your diet is on point, then just add (more) physical activity to your daily life.

p.s is that rhino for nose bridge or cartilage. I do have a droopy ass nose tip tbf

Rhino to fix the convexity (with a cartilage graft) and relative bulbosity of the tip, to reduce alar width and nostril exposure, and to straighten the dorsum.

A bunch of morphs to give you a rough idea of what I'm hinting at :

Not only would it improve the nose itself, it would also harmonize with your mouth (which is on the narrow side) and with your eyes (alar extremities aligned with the medial canthus).

By the way, if you're plucking the medial eyebrow, please stop doing it, or at least not as much as now. Longer eyebrows will frame your eyes better and harmonize the whole eye-glabella-nasion region.

 

[villainmogger222224]

If your diet is on point, then just add (more) physical activity to your daily life.


Rhino to fix the convexity (with a cartilage graft) and relative bulbosity of the tip, to reduce alar width and nostril exposure, and to straighten the dorsum.

A bunch of morphs to give you a rough idea of what I'm hinting at :

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Not only would it improve the nose itself, it would also harmonize with your mouth (which is on the narrow side) and with your eyes (alar extremities aligned with the medial canthus).

By the way, if you're plucking the medial eyebrow, please stop doing it, or at least not as much as now. Longer eyebrows will frame your eyes better and harmonize the whole eye-glabella-nasion region.

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bro I never knew such minor changes could get you so many points on the looks score, that's actually crazy...
and that's just really a rhino and growing out my brows. Imagine with buccal or neck lipo to tighten up the skin, Giga mogger with my bone structure. Dam bro this really proves the structure and ratios are there it's just all the skin, cartilage and fat over it. Appreciate the morphs to more this puts everything into perspective now

 

[iblamemygenes]

If your diet is on point, then just add (more) physical activity to your daily life.


Rhino to fix the convexity (with a cartilage graft) and relative bulbosity of the tip, to reduce alar width and nostril exposure, and to straighten the dorsum.

A bunch of morphs to give you a rough idea of what I'm hinting at :

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Not only would it improve the nose itself, it would also harmonize with your mouth (which is on the narrow side) and with your eyes (alar extremities aligned with the medial canthus).

By the way, if you're plucking the medial eyebrow, please stop doing it, or at least not as much as now. Longer eyebrows will frame your eyes better and harmonize the whole eye-glabella-nasion region.

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Can I dm you?

 

[vermicel]

bro I never knew such minor changes could get you so many points on the looks score, that's actually crazy...
and that's just really a rhino and growing out my brows. Imagine with buccal or neck lipo to tighten up the skin, Giga mogger with my bone structure.

You don't absolutely need chin/neck lipo and buccal fat removal. Lean out naturally and reassess. Leaning out might be all you need to do.

A sum of minor changes can generate great overall improvement. Actually, most surgeries achieve just that : minor changes. When isolated, the result may be underwhelming ; but when combined together (if relevant to one's face ofc), there is a compounding effect.

That said : I don't mean to let you down, however we gotta keep goals grounded in reality. Both anatomical reality, and surgical reality.
For instance, if you don't pluck your eyebrows and they naturally grow this way, and if you don't see any dark vellus growing towards the glabella (where I have morphed additional length to your brows), then you are very unlikely to grow anything even with steady use of minoxidil & microneedling — which is the recommended treatment for fuller eyebrows.
The only alternative would be an eyebrow transplant. But I wouldn't recommend it to you, as the results are quite lackluster ; expect density and angulation issues, on top of being compelled to trim your transplanted eyebrows forever (they'll retain scalp hair characteristics). Eyebrow transplants kinda work on women because they require less density and can (ab)use makeup afterward ; on the other hand, men need denser, thicker eyebrows, and having them visibly "done" (trimmed, shaped, enhanced with makeup) will make you come off as faggoty.
But don't take my word for it, do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

Keep in mind that all my comments are based on a few pictures, and pictures can be deceiving.
For example, if we keep exploring your options beyond what you had first considered, the following front profile picture could make a lip lift relevant. Indeed the philtrum appears quite long. Although you have quite a tall chin that balances things out (chin to philtrum ratio = 2.3 , within the ideal range). Anyway, for the thought experiment's sake, I simulated the effect of [1] a lip lift that would augment your upper lip's height and reduce the philtrum, and of [2] a leaner face, thus shortening your chin a little bit. Chin to philtrum ratio would then be ~2.6, which is at the upper limit of the ideal range.

Rhino + longer eyebrows + lip lift :

Rhino + longer eyebrows + lip lift + leaner face :

While we are at it, let's add the effect of consistent neck training :

... see how all these minor changes stack up and generate a great overall improvement ?

Now, let me remind you that this is only based on this one particular picture. Obviously, you don't operate on a picture and therefore it shouldn't be regarded as a 100 % reliable blueprint for your looksmaxxing project. Meeting with qualified surgeons will tell you more about what's reasonably feasible.
For instance, other pictures in the OP reveal that your current smile has an ideal amount of gum show. A lip lift could cause a gummy smile.

After this long post, let me sum up my suggestions :
> cosmetic dentistry (whitening, potential braces treatment)
> leaning out naturally
> physical training, including neck training
> growing fuller eyebrows if possible
> rhinoplasty
> lip lift if your facial proportions justify it IRL, and if it doesn't mess with your smile

If you already have the funds for a Lefort 1, then you may have what it takes to undergo part or all of the procedures recommended above. First, please do your own research diligently, go for a round of consultations with skilled surgeons, and ask us here for our opinion about your updated plans before you actually proceed with any of it (feel free to tag me).
The softmaxxing part will rely mostly on your self-discipline and consistency. It is important and an integral part of the looksmaxxing process. Budget shouldn't be an issue.

 

[villainmogger222224]

If your diet is on point, then just add (more) physical activity to your daily life.


Rhino to fix the convexity (with a cartilage graft) and relative bulbosity of the tip, to reduce alar width and nostril exposure, and to straighten the dorsum.

A bunch of morphs to give you a rough idea of what I'm hinting at :

View attachment 4813782
View attachment 4813783
View attachment 4813785
View attachment 4813787

Not only would it improve the nose itself, it would also harmonize with your mouth (which is on the narrow side) and with your eyes (alar extremities aligned with the medial canthus).

By the way, if you're plucking the medial eyebrow, please stop doing it, or at least not as much as now. Longer eyebrows will frame your eyes better and harmonize the wh

You don't absolutely need chin/neck lipo and buccal fat removal. Lean out naturally and reassess. Leaning out might be all you need to do.

A sum of minor changes can generate great overall improvement. Actually, most surgeries achieve just that : minor changes. When isolated, the result may be underwhelming ; but when combined together (if relevant to one's face ofc), there is a compounding effect.

That said : I don't mean to let you down, however we gotta keep goals grounded in reality. Both anatomical reality, and surgical reality.
For instance, if you don't pluck your eyebrows and they naturally grow this way, and if you don't see any dark vellus growing towards the glabella (where I have morphed additional length to your brows), then you are very unlikely to grow anything even with steady use of minoxidil & microneedling — which is the recommended treatment for fuller eyebrows.
The only alternative would be an eyebrow transplant. But I wouldn't recommend it to you, as the results are quite lackluster ; expect density and angulation issues, on top of being compelled to trim your transplanted eyebrows forever (they'll retain scalp hair characteristics). Eyebrow transplants kinda work on women because they require less density and can (ab)use makeup afterward ; on the other hand, men need denser, thicker eyebrows, and having them visibly "done" (trimmed, shaped, enhanced with makeup) will make you come off as faggoty.
But don't take my word for it, do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

Keep in mind that all my comments are based on a few pictures, and pictures can be deceiving.
For example, if we keep exploring your options beyond what you had first considered, the following front profile picture could make a lip lift relevant. Indeed the philtrum appears quite long. Although you have quite a tall chin that balances things out (chin to philtrum ratio = 2.3 , within the ideal range). Anyway, for the thought experiment's sake, I simulated the effect of [1] a lip lift that would augment your upper lip's height and reduce the philtrum, and of [2] a leaner face, thus shortening your chin a little bit. Chin to philtrum ratio would then be ~2.6, which is at the upper limit of the ideal range.

Rhino + longer eyebrows + lip lift :
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Rhino + longer eyebrows + lip lift + leaner face :
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While we are at it, let's add the effect of consistent neck training :
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... see how all these minor changes stack up and generate a great overall improvement ?

Now, let me remind you that this is only based on this one particular picture. Obviously, you don't operate on a picture and therefore it shouldn't be regarded as a 100 % reliable blueprint for your looksmaxxing project. Meeting with qualified surgeons will tell you more about what's reasonably feasible.
For instance, other pictures in the OP reveal that your current smile has an ideal amount of gum show. A lip lift could cause a gummy smile.

After this long post, let me sum up my suggestions :
> cosmetic dentistry (whitening, potential braces treatment)
> leaning out naturally
> physical training, including neck training
> growing fuller eyebrows if possible
> rhinoplasty
> lip lift if your facial proportions justify it IRL, and if it doesn't mess with your smile

If you already have the funds for a Lefort 1, then you may have what it takes to undergo part or all of the procedures recommended above. First, please do your own research diligently, go for a round of consultations with skilled surgeons, and ask us here for our opinion about your updated plans before you actually proceed with any of it (feel free to tag me).
The softmaxxing part will rely mostly on your self-discipline and consistency. It is important and an integral part of the looksmaxxing process. Budget shouldn't be an issue.

Mirin. I agree this is all speculative and hypothetical as of this discussion. But no one ever made progress without guessing, mistakes or taking the first step. This could very well be like you said my step into the realm of slaying, well if we use my after as depicted in the morph I'm not sure what the rating would be, I'd say that in motion would defs be at least mHTN plus and I'd have no problem slaying/ mogging.

I also believe just getting teeth whiting would ascend my smile GREATLY, paired with invisaline to refine the teeth which would give me ideal bite and smile. I think the lip lift is a PERFECT idea, but as we both agree on the surgeons insight will be best to see the anatomical ratios of my face and discern whether or not they fit in the end. The eyebrows can always be grown and honestly if I can't thicken them enough I could possibly use upper eyelid retraction as a "last resort" to halo eye area, I do have a bit of upper eyelid show.

As for the training you are right, I need to stick to a routine for months to see any semblance of leaning progress, I'd say i'm currently 14-15% bf which is not ideal for my fat storage genetics obviously. I will further experiment by lowering calories and exercising extensively for the next 6 months, if nothing. No biggie a simple neck lift or buccal removal will do the trick, but only after the said training and bf lowering in complete, i'll also have even more funds by then which will be nice.

First priority though, exercise/diet

second I really think that rhino halos me up a whole tier bro dead ass the nose throws off my harmony so much it lowers me a whole tier.
third dentistry my smile does not contrast clearly plus my bite could use refinement with braces

fourth eye area this would halo me greatly although not as much as the nose due to harmony but this would make me stand out for sure, with striking eyes and a harmonious face I would definitely slay more often.

fifth the so called lip lift. I need to discuss with a surgeon but this seems to good to be true, on top of nose and eye increasing harmony AND stringiness with teeth increasing my contrast I will ALSO be getting perfected ratios "Theoretically".

sixth not really been a consideration with us yet but a tan???? would that contrast halo me? worth a try

last obviously if the exercise is proven to show my sub par fat distribution genetics then procedures for fat will be introduced.

prices in aud since I live in aus
1.RHINO- will run me 10k-13k AUD most expensive by far but most bang for buck
2.TEETH WHITENING- 500-1K AUD PLUS INVISALINE 2K AUD
3.LIP LIFT- 4K- pretty high return procedure for 4k aud.
4.BLEPHAROPLASTY- 2.5K even cheaper for good eye area improvement.
5.BUCCAL/NECK LIFT (IF NEEDED)- 3K AUD


TOTAL- 22.5K AUD which is 15K USD FOR EVERYTHING.
not including Malotan or reta or any compounds if used during this ascension processes.

I'd like to know your opinion though on how much this would ascend me? From what I can see at least a whole tier for sure, but as they say you can't really judge yourself too well. Additionally I would have to ask surgeons about the ratios but yeah, that's apart of this plan.
Total time i'd say 1-2 years with recovery and training from surgery and softmaxxing. Plus working my job.

Edit. the structure was always there, if you have a good base it's really never over dang

 

[Jgns]

Mirin. I agree this is all speculative and hypothetical as of this discussion. But no one ever made progress without guessing, mistakes or taking the first step. This could very well be like you said my step into the realm of slaying, well if we use my after as depicted in the morph I'm not sure what the rating would be, I'd say that in motion would defs be at least mHTN plus and I'd have no problem slaying/ mogging.

I also believe just getting teeth whiting would ascend my smile GREATLY, paired with invisaline to refine the teeth which would give me ideal bite and smile. I think the lip lift is a PERFECT idea, but as we both agree on the surgeons insight will be best to see the anatomical ratios of my face and discern whether or not they fit in the end. The eyebrows can always be grown and honestly if I can't thicken them enough I could possibly use upper eyelid retraction as a "last resort" to halo eye area, I do have a bit of upper eyelid show.

As for the training you are right, I need to stick to a routine for months to see any semblance of leaning progress, I'd say i'm currently 14-15% bf which is not ideal for my fat storage genetics obviously. I will further experiment by lowering calories and exercising extensively for the next 6 months, if nothing. No biggie a simple neck lift or buccal removal will do the trick, but only after the said training and bf lowering in complete, i'll also have even more funds by then which will be nice.

First priority though, exercise/diet

second I really think that rhino halos me up a whole tier bro dead ass the nose throws off my harmony so much it lowers me a whole tier.
third dentistry my smile does not contrast clearly plus my bite could use refinement with braces

fourth eye area this would halo me greatly although not as much as the nose due to harmony but this would make me stand out for sure, with striking eyes and a harmonious face I would definitely slay more often.

fifth the so called lip lift. I need to discuss with a surgeon but this seems to good to be true, on top of nose and eye increasing harmony AND stringiness with teeth increasing my contrast I will ALSO be getting perfected ratios "Theoretically".

sixth not really been a consideration with us yet but a tan???? would that contrast halo me? worth a try

last obviously if the exercise is proven to show my sub par fat distribution genetics then procedures for fat will be introduced.

prices in aud since I live in aus
1.RHINO- will run me 10k-13k AUD most expensive by far but most bang for buck
2.TEETH WHITENING- 500-1K AUD PLUS INVISALINE 2K AUD
3.LIP LIFT- 4K- pretty high return procedure for 4k aud.
4.BLEPHAROPLASTY- 2.5K even cheaper for good eye area improvement.
5.BUCCAL/NECK LIFT (IF NEEDED)- 3K AUD


TOTAL- 22.5K AUD which is 15K USD FOR EVERYTHING.
not including Malotan or reta or any compounds if used during this ascension processes.

I'd like to know your opinion though on how much this would ascend me? From what I can see at least a whole tier for sure, but as they say you can't really judge yourself too well. Additionally I would have to ask surgeons about the ratios but yeah, that's apart of this plan.
Total time i'd say 1-2 years with recovery and training from surgery and softmaxxing. Plus working my job.

Edit. the structure was always there, if you have a good base it's really never over dang

how old are u now

 

[villainmogger222224]

Mirin. I agree this is all speculative and hypothetical as of this discussion. But no one ever made progress without guessing, mistakes or taking the first step. This could very well be like you said my step into the realm of slaying, well if we use my after as depicted in the morph I'm not sure what the rating would be, I'd say that in motion would defs be at least mHTN plus and I'd have no problem slaying/ mogging.

I also believe just getting teeth whiting would ascend my smile GREATLY, paired with invisaline to refine the teeth which would give me ideal bite and smile. I think the lip lift is a PERFECT idea, but as we both agree on the surgeons insight will be best to see the anatomical ratios of my face and discern whether or not they fit in the end. The eyebrows can always be grown and honestly if I can't thicken them enough I could possibly use upper eyelid retraction as a "last resort" to halo eye area, I do have a bit of upper eyelid show.

As for the training you are right, I need to stick to a routine for months to see any semblance of leaning progress, I'd say i'm currently 14-15% bf which is not ideal for my fat storage genetics obviously. I will further experiment by lowering calories and exercising extensively for the next 6 months, if nothing. No biggie a simple neck lift or buccal removal will do the trick, but only after the said training and bf lowering in complete, i'll also have even more funds by then which will be nice.

First priority though, exercise/diet

second I really think that rhino halos me up a whole tier bro dead ass the nose throws off my harmony so much it lowers me a whole tier.
third dentistry my smile does not contrast clearly plus my bite could use refinement with braces

fourth eye area this would halo me greatly although not as much as the nose due to harmony but this would make me stand out for sure, with striking eyes and a harmonious face I would definitely slay more often.

fifth the so called lip lift. I need to discuss with a surgeon but this seems to good to be true, on top of nose and eye increasing harmony AND stringiness with teeth increasing my contrast I will ALSO be getting perfected ratios "Theoretically".

sixth not really been a consideration with us yet but a tan???? would that contrast halo me? worth a try

last obviously if the exercise is proven to show my sub par fat distribution genetics then procedures for fat will be introduced.

prices in aud since I live in aus
1.RHINO- will run me 10k-13k AUD most expensive by far but most bang for buck
2.TEETH WHITENING- 500-1K AUD PLUS INVISALINE 2K AUD
3.LIP LIFT- 4K- pretty high return procedure for 4k aud.
4.BLEPHAROPLASTY- 2.5K even cheaper for good eye area improvement.
5.BUCCAL/NECK LIFT (IF NEEDED)- 3K AUD


TOTAL- 22.5K AUD which is 15K USD FOR EVERYTHING.
not including Malotan or reta or any compounds if used during this ascension processes.

I'd like to know your opinion though on how much this would ascend me? From what I can see at least a whole tier for sure, but as they say you can't really judge yourself too well. Additionally I would have to ask surgeons about the ratios but yeah, that's apart of this plan.
Total time i'd say 1-2 years with recovery and training from surgery and softmaxxing. Plus working my job.

how old are u now

21 in may so basically

 

[Jgns]

21

perf age to start hardmaxing then gl

 

[villainmogger222224]

perf age to start hardmaxing then gl

fax thanks bro, I just wanna mogg. Not rlly for girls tbh that's just gonna be a nice byproduct of the ascension

 

[vermicel]

prices in aud since I live in aus
1.RHINO- will run me 10k-13k AUD most expensive by far but most bang for buck
2.TEETH WHITENING- 500-1K AUD PLUS INVISALINE 2K AUD
3.LIP LIFT- 4K- pretty high return procedure for 4k aud.
4.BLEPHAROPLASTY- 2.5K even cheaper for good eye area improvement.
5.BUCCAL/NECK LIFT (IF NEEDED)- 3K AUD


TOTAL- 22.5K AUD which is 15K USD FOR EVERYTHING.

Invisalign will set you back more than 2K. Think rather 5-10K. Braces are expensive as a whole, and clear braces are the most expensive option of all. Don't know where you got that 2K quote from, but that doesn't sound right to me. Seek Invisalign providers in Oz and ask them directly. There must be several such orthodontists in each main Australian city.
Based on your pictures, I'd venture to guess that you will need a shorter type of treatment, +/- 12 months. The average duration for moderate teeth crowding and misalignments is rather ~18 months. If I guess right, then the cost of treatment should be in the lower end of the 5-10K range.

Don't cheap out on rhinoplasty (or any procedure, really). This surgery has the potential to ruin your life if done wrong (for example, look up Empty Nose Syndrome). You want to do everything in your power to avoid a revision, and that implies picking a surgeon with the right amount of skills, experience, and ethics. In your case, based on earlier discussion in this thread, you will need a tip plasty involving both soft tissue reduction and cartilage augmentation via an autologous graft (septal, ear, or costal) ; and an alar plasty to reduce alar base width. This is a complex surgery to execute right ; you can't go to the first plastic surgeon or ENT down your block expecting to be delivered a top notch result. If you want to focus first on your local options (nationwide), I advise you to look for Facebook groups dedicated to rhinoplasty & plastic surgery in Australia. Read patients' feedbacks, pick up surgeons' names, and corroborate the info on other platforms like Reddit r/plasticsurgery and Realself. You won't find much (if any) relevant info here.

You don't need any oculoplastic procedure. Your UEE is minimal. You don't have any substantial supra/infraorbital hollowness. No issue related to your lateral canthus, palpebral fissure length/height, scleral show, etc.
No such procedure will have any sort of positive ROI for you right now. Forget about blepharoplasty, eyelid retraction repair, or whatever procedure's name you're dropping in your post haha.

A healthy tan can definitely improve one's looks. Not sure your complexion allows that though, as you look ginger-ish. Moreover, I doubt that extensive sun exposure in Australia is a healthy thing to do, especially long term. Perhaps would you be better off pinning Melanotan and using a sunbed to maintain a good tan. Anyway, do your own research in the main looksmaxxing section of the forum (not here in the plastic surgery subforum) and on other websites.

In my opinion, you can proceed in this order :
(1) diet, physical training, eyebrow treatment, teeth whitening, starting Invisalign treatment
(2) rhinoplasty — can be performed during the course of the Invisalign treatment
(3) bullhorn lip lift (if relevant ofc)

You'll find contradicting info about rhino & lip lift, but it's usually recommended to stage them in two separate sessions, with the rhino coming first.

A two year plan seems reasonable to cover everything listed above.

As for how much it would ascend you : right now, I think you are an average/ordinary-looking bloke. If my morphs got it quite right, this looksmaxxing effort would make you above average. Anyway, you will know where you stand based on regular social interactions. When you look significantly above average, both men and women will let you know in their own respective ways. You will notice a change in how you're treated. Dating apps are obviously a good testing ground too, especially as you have prior experience with them and will be able to gauge your progress with relatively objective metrics.

Good luck !

 

[villainmogger222224]

Invisalign will set you back more than 2K. Think rather 5-10K. Braces are expensive as a whole, and clear braces are the most expensive option of all. Don't know where you got that 2K quote from, but that doesn't sound right to me. Seek Invisalign providers in Oz and ask them directly. There must be several such orthodontists in each main Australian city.
Based on your pictures, I'd venture to guess that you will need a shorter type of treatment, +/- 12 months. The average duration for moderate teeth crowding and misalignments is rather ~18 months. If I guess right, then the cost of treatment should be in the lower end of the 5-10K range.

Don't cheap out on rhinoplasty (or any procedure, really). This surgery has the potential to ruin your life if done wrong (for example, look up Empty Nose Syndrome). You want to do everything in your power to avoid a revision, and that implies picking a surgeon with the right amount of skills, experience, and ethics. In your case, based on earlier discussion in this thread, you will need a tip plasty involving both soft tissue reduction and cartilage augmentation via an autologous graft (septal, ear, or costal) ; and an alar plasty to reduce alar base width. This is a complex surgery to execute right ; you can't go to the first plastic surgeon or ENT down your block expecting to be delivered a top notch result. If you want to focus first on your local options (nationwide), I advise you to look for Facebook groups dedicated to rhinoplasty & plastic surgery in Australia. Read patients' feedbacks, pick up surgeons' names, and corroborate the info on other platforms like Reddit r/plasticsurgery and Realself. You won't find much (if any) relevant info here.

You don't need any oculoplastic procedure. Your UEE is minimal. You don't have any substantial supra/infraorbital hollowness. No issue related to your lateral canthus, palpebral fissure length/height, scleral show, etc.
No such procedure will have any sort of positive ROI for you right now. Forget about blepharoplasty, eyelid retraction repair, or whatever procedure's name you're dropping in your post haha.

A healthy tan can definitely improve one's looks. Not sure your complexion allows that though, as you look ginger-ish. Moreover, I doubt that extensive sun exposure in Australia is a healthy thing to do, especially long term. Perhaps would you be better off pinning Melanotan and using a sunbed to maintain a good tan. Anyway, do your own research in the main looksmaxxing section of the forum (not here in the plastic surgery subforum) and on other websites.

In my opinion, you can proceed in this order :
(1) diet, physical training, eyebrow treatment, teeth whitening, starting Invisalign treatment
(2) rhinoplasty — can be performed during the course of the Invisalign treatment
(3) bullhorn lip lift (if relevant ofc)

You'll find contradicting info about rhino & lip lift, but it's usually recommended to stage them in two separate sessions, with the rhino coming first.

A two year plan seems reasonable to cover everything listed above.

As for how much it would ascend you : right now, I think you are an average/ordinary-looking bloke. If my morphs got it quite right, this looksmaxxing effort would make you above average. Anyway, you will know where you stand based on regular social interactions. When you look significantly above average, both men and women will let you know in their own respective ways. You will notice a change in how you're treated. Dating apps are obviously a good testing ground too, especially as you have prior experience with them and will be able to gauge your progress with relatively objective metrics.

Good luck !

Yeah seems right, the least changes to my natural face I can do the better. Natural/genetics always beats surgical intervention, going from average to above average looking will also be cool to see how others will treat me IRL. So I realistically only need 1 or 2 procedures and the rest relies on my discipline in the gym/diet and if I build up my neck thickness and fix my smile.

an easy ascension really to get me above average, but I will have to do months of research to find a surgeon who truly understands what they are doing and if they are able to make a predictable outcome on my face. This is by far the hardest part of this ascension but nothing I cannot research/check reviews/consult/read about. Taking minimal risk with these procedures to keep my natural look intact is paramount to this ascensions success so I really appreciate you reminding me of the importance of a rhino/alar, cause even though it's not the most invasive surgery it is still a surgical procedure I need to give 100 percent of my attention to what I'm doing to my face.

funny u say ginger appearance as my dad and brother both had ginger hair when they were teens but turned into brunette later on. I was blonde as a kid, classic blonde blue eye pheno.

yeah so TLDR don't waste money/time/pain/recovery on things I don't need and focus on what I already have to improve which is nose to mouth width ratio, philtrum chin ratio, teeth refinement/color, eyebrows and bf percentage.

Thanks man for helping me sort this process out now I just need to start executing it.

 

[lurking truecel]

Looks good, the only good reason why you would have problem is being under 6 feet or being a retard socially

 

[villainmogger222224]

Looks good, the only good reason why you would have problem is being under 6 feet or being a retard socially

i'm 5'10 AND high inhib/autism XD I work security so I don't talk to anyone in my specific job

 

[lurking truecel]

i'm 5'10 AND high inhib/autism XD I work security so I don't talk to anyone in my specific job

Hmm yea thats your problem then, get nt, any surgery is useless

 

[LEFORT17]

I've always had a pretty mid smile which I think sets me back quite a bit. I'm just looking for specific surgical advice on whether it's necessary to get a lefort 1 or just focus on soft tissue, fat grafting or get a tan or something.

I know I definitely do not have a projected maxilla but I really don't think it harmonizes with my stuck out chin/mandible, so I came on here to ask about whether this would be worth the time investing in. E.g (money, pain, recovery). I also don't know if I have an under bite or overbite but based on the fact my breathing is normal and chewing is ideal I do not believe so either, again confirmation on this would be highly appreciated.

If I am to get the lefort 1 I have the funds to do so, which I am not worried about. I'm mostly just worried about aesthetics and I also prefer slightly on the dogmaxxed side, obviously not crocodilemaxxed but forwardly grown.
Here are the photos.

get emax veneers

 

[cowmuncher26]

honestly I don't think it will help much

just smile without showing your teeth? idk

 

[geenk worg]

Moderate case. ortho can move your teeth down to have more tooth show