Was European colonialism a good thing?

[Deleted member 4362]

What are your thoughts

 

[Deleted member 14815]

Created:

Mass immagration crisis
Economic reliance
Death and destruction

 

[hiwasuwor]

For the Countries that got colonized yes for Europeans/Whites not. European-whites used to be 30% of the Population on Earth but then they shared all their Knowledge with the Third World, increased their Life expectancy, Population and will be overrun by them now

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Created:

Mass immagration crisis
Economic reliance
Death and destruction

Pro colonialists often attribute necessity to civilise, but make no mistake this is a completely open question:

What is wrong with not ascribing to advanced living? In laymans, people mock Africans for living in mudhuts, but what’s wrong with them, they are suited for the evolutionary pressures of people using them

 

[Deleted member 4362]

For the Countries that got colonized yes for Europeans/Whites not. European-whites used to be 30% of the Population on Earth but then they shared all their Knowledge with the Third World, increased their Life expectancy, Population and will be overrun by them now

Yes Europe has decreased significant in pop. Large parts of Africa were deserted for most of history.


However what do you say to the aboriginal tasmanains that were wiped out to the tune of 300,000. Had colonialism been good for them, they are all dead?

 

[SecularIslamist]

This was the best colonisation in history.

 

[Deleted member 33112]

They should’ve killed all the other races then we wouldn’t be having these niggers in our countries

 

[Deleted member 51576]

This was the best colonisation in history.

Sand monkeys spreading their sand monkey religion to other sand monkeys and Indians. How beautiful

 

[SecularIslamist]

so your happy that arabs/muslims colonized the land of ur ancestors and killed many of them?

Are you even Muslim? You think Arabs are not grateful for the Islamic conquest which is what gave them their language, culture and made them a superpower.

In Bangladesh it wasn't the case anyway Most Sufis spread Islam there and it was the ground up not top down.

"Colonialism" as a negative construct was in response to European empires and nationalism which is ironically a western idea.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Sand monkeys spreading their sand monkey religion to other sand monkeys and Indians. How beautiful

Yes it's beautiful. I hope to see it again.

 

[Deleted member 62931]

What are your thoughts

No colonialism cause most issues in the world today.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

Yes it's beautiful. I hope to see it again.

You won’t.

 

[SecularIslamist]

yeah was just playing devils advocate tbh

I know you're Shia so I thought you may have negative opinions about some ummayads and rahiduns. But anyway you had Shia empires to like the Fatimids - although they were Ismailis? Are you twelver?

 

[Deleted member 51576]

yeah was just playing devils advocate tbh

You Muslimcels are quite literally the devils advocate.

 

[Deleted member 62931]

i don't support the islamic conquests tho, they included many violations and crimes and don't support/believe islam should spread that way anyways

not how shia islam spread

good take ngl

 

[Bojack]

yes whites must colonize the earth man

 

[Deleted member 62931]

there was pros and cons to it, it\s morally grey.

Think about it, without colonialism some of the nicest countries like america and australia wouldn't exist. everything you love about the us you owe to colonialism

Its more cons then pros most issues in the world are from colonialism we just created tons of enemies around the world

 

[Deleted member 64493]

What are your thoughts

For the Europeans yeah lol

 

[Deleted member 62931]

For the Europeans yeah lol

Only benefits them tbh

 

[SecularIslamist]

i don't support the islamic conquests tho, they included many violations and crimes and don't support/believe islam should spread that way anyways

Yes they did but it's overstated. Places like Egypt didn't reach over 50% Muslim until centuries later and some Spanish cities were as multireligious as Lebanon today.

Anyway "sufis" were the main contributors to to Islam and responsible for converting the average Joe to Islam.

I support the revival of a caliphate and conquest of secular states for the protection of Muslims. Also to spread dawah by promoting Islam but not shoving to down people's throat whether they're Muslim or non-Muslim, and preventing western decadence. Islam is a universalist religion just like Christianity the point isn't to keep it selfishly to yourself but to spread it to all four corners of the world.

not how shia islam spread

Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Beetlejuice]

Depends of the perspective,If colonialism did not existed the place that i live would be something like this now;i wouldn't be chilling in my apartment like i am doing right now.
For the true natives of the land It was surely a bad thing.

 

[SecularIslamist]

yeah i supporting preaching too but not by the sword, at least not until the second coming of christ/the mahdi appears

Preaching isn't done by the sword, defending is.

Yes there are bad apples in history. I'm not gonna whitewash every Islamic emperor.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

They should’ve killed all the other races then we wouldn’t be having these niggers in our countries

They did attempt this multiple times and were successful in some cases.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

. Islam is a universalist religion

Such a universalist religion that it demands prayer in Arabic, the holy book in Arabic, recitations in Arabic, shahada (also Arabic word) in Arabic.

Dumbass nigga

 

[Deleted member 33112]

They did attempt this multiple times and were successful in some cases.

It should’ve been every single time they should’ve annihilated them all now they are suffering the consequences for their half done job

 

[SecularIslamist]

Depends of the perspective,If colonialism did not existed the place that i live would be something like this now;i wouldn't be chilling in my apartment like i am doing right now.
For the true natives of the land It was surely a bad thing.

it benefited the colonized ppl to an extent too, for example the british empire improved their colony's infrastructure and heatlhcare despite also exploiting and abusing them

Pro colonialists often attribute necessity to civilise, but make no mistake this is a completely open question:

What is wrong with not ascribing to advanced living? In laymans, people mock Africans for living in mudhuts, but what’s wrong with them, they are suited for the evolutionary pressures of people using them

You can "advance" your society without colonialism just like many countries have in the past 100 years and are currently today without it.

It's such bullshit to buy into this fallacy that colonialism helped "civilised" the rest of the world. Countries can develop themselves and international trade and relations can facilitate economic interdependence which is essential in era of globalisation. Unironically it is neocolonialism of the West preventing countries from developing. This is why no one in the non-western world from LATAM, to Africans, East Asians have any respect for the hypocritical West.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Depends of the perspective,If colonialism did not existed the place that i live would be something like this now;i wouldn't be chilling in my apartment like i am doing right now.
For the true natives of the land It was surely a bad thing.

Westerners often argue this, but darwinian theory dictates you would be best suited for survival in this environment.

The questions begets why black africans did not build more advanced societies, stupidity or necessity?

 

[Deleted member 51576]

the teachings, sayings, widsoms of Islam can be appreciated no matter what language you have. + us shia believe the prophets and imams spoke all human languages.

The magnanimous character of the prophet and imams and the stories of their lives and supplications, and descriptions of god can be appreicated no matter what language you speak.

Sure islams message was in arabic but it had to be sent in one language right?

No. They’re literally not accepted in any language other than Arabic. You can’t recite Surahs if not in Arabic. You can’t pray your salad prayers without it being in arabic. The Quran is only valid in arabic. You have to refer to your fake God in the Arabic term (Allah). Literally everything is Arabic top down

It has nothing to do with how Islam was originally spread. It still persists to this very day, meaning its inherent to the “faith”

 

[Deleted member 4362]

It should’ve been every single time they should’ve annihilated them all now they are suffering the consequences for their half done job

A lot of the scramble for Africa was driven by increased demand for raw materials due to industrialisation in Europe.

Diplomatic interests were mainly aligned with extraction not necessarily migration. Africa is just one place however, in a few places your nazi dreams were actualised

 

[SecularIslamist]

Such a universalist religion that it demands prayer in Arabic, the holy book in Arabic, recitations in Arabic, shahada (also Arabic word) in Arabic.

Dumbass nigga

High IQ. Language is what preserves religion. Islam's mission is to prevent innovation and preservation of language is key to that.

Islam is culture-agnostic. Technically so is Christianity. Latin, Greek, Hebrew are all essential to understand the roots of Christianity even though prayers may be in English or fucking Zulu.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

High IQ. Language is what preserves religion. Islam's mission is to prevent innovation and preservation of language is key to that.

Islam is culture-agnostic. Technically so is Christianity. Latin, Greek, Hebrew are all essential to understand the roots of Christianity even though prayers may be in English or fucking Zulu.

Dumbass nigga x2

Hebrew isn’t relevant to understand Christianity considering that the New Testament was originally written in Greek and has since been translated to nearly every language available on earth and guess what? It’s valid in every single language. God doesn’t have a designated favorite language like Arabic. Cuck

Language does not preserve religion. There is nothing in 1 language that can’t be exactly conveyed in another language—ESPECIALLY IF ITS THE WORD OF GOD.

You’re an Indian Muslim bending over for an Arab desert deity 5x a day. How absolutely cucked

 

[Deleted member 51576]

facts biblical scholars learn aramaic and hebrew

Keywords: BIBLICAL SCHOLARS

 

[Deleted member 4362]

You can "advance" your society without colonialism just like many countries have in the past 100 years and are currently today without it.

It's such bullshit to buy into this fallacy that colonialism helped "civilised" the rest of the world. Countries can develop themselves and international trade and relations can facilitate economic interdependence which is essential in era of globalisation. Unironically it is neocolonialism of the West preventing countries from developing. This is why no one in the non-western world from LATAM, to Africans, East Asians have any respect for the hypocritical West.

Yes, I believe Indus Valley is an example of a civilisation that did not care to expand or conquer. But certain people just did not develop much, compared to other groups.

At the time, it was very easy to justify the colonialism politically, partly due to the lack of development in certain regions of the world, especially compared to the Middle East and Europe

 

[Offensive Bias]

There was already plenty of infrastructure and viable tools in many newly independent colonies i.e in Africa(Nigeria). Turns out quadrupling your population in under a century with a dumb as hell population that are at each other's throats leads to these left behind colonial possessions not being sufficient enough to sustain the people of those nations. Now you may say that European colonization left the borders of Africa in a state where it is unnatural(not made with geographical or ethnic groups in mind) and that is correct however it is something you could resolve by simply leaving and forming your own state separate from the main one. Bangladesh did this for example. However even if European powers wanted to separate the place based on ethnic lines the entire place looks like this.



You get what I mean? You simply can't blame anyone for this as most places had to spend time ethnically cleansing/assimilating one another to form their respective states. Also it's quite funny how people say Africa simply didn't get educates enough yet places like Malaysia, Singapore and Botswana had very similar starting points yet aren't as garbage shitholes.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

they hold the loftiest positions in the sphere of christianity, therefore you reach the highest levels you must learn these dead languages

This has nothing to do with reaching any levels, dumbass nigga. Biblical scholars study Aramaic Hebrew and Greek for textual criticism and historicity for ancient manuscript evaluation.

This isn’t Kabbalah, nigga. Talking about “reaching the highest level” shit.

 

[Offensive Bias]

Thought experiment

What would occur if we transported the entire population of Japan in DRC and the entire population of the DRC in Japan. The only thing we are doing is switching the respective populations and leaving the infrastructure and general economies unchanged. Let's of course optimize the utility tools of these countries to how they are used to(so books, outdoor signs etc are in French in Japan so that people of DRC can understand). What would happen?

 

[Deleted member 4362]

never said it was good buddy, said it was morally grey (mostly bad in some cases)

It is extremely grey area. In retrospect it’s ironic how devoid of civility some of the ‘civilising’ the Europeans partook in.

But conversely just as much blame could be attributed to the inhabitants for not advancing enough to protect against these outside threats.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Dumbass nigga x2

Hebrew isn’t relevant to understand Christianity considering that the New Testament was originally written in Greek and has since been translated to nearly every language available on earth and guess what? It’s valid in every single language. God doesn’t have a designated favorite language like Arabic. Cuck

Language does not preserve religion. There is nothing in 1 language that can’t be exactly conveyed in another language—ESPECIALLY IF ITS THE WORD OF GOD.

You’re an Indian Muslim bending over for an Arab desert deity 5x a day. How absolutely cucked

Take the Philology pill nigga. You are actually dumb as fuck and you've convinced yourself I'm wrong. Even Christians would disagree with you.

Language itself is a form of colonialism. This is why English / Angloids have spread their cultural diseases by having this dominance over rest of the world as it's the transmitter of norms and culture. If English is your native language you are exposed to degeneracy, secularism, materialism etc. Same can be said to a lesser extent French, German etc.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

An everyday Muslim has to recite the 5 daily prayers (where he bends down and throws his ass up for Allah in the northeast direction) in arabic

Imagine a low IQ white Muslim “muh revert” from America who is trying to pray to his newly found fraudulent desert god. He is searching Amazon for a prayer rug that includes 5 audio buttons to press where each one correspond with the daily prayer.

The travesty with you autistic cucks will never cease to amaze me

 

[Deleted member 62931]

An everyday Muslim has to recite the 5 daily prayers (where he bends down and throws his ass up for Allah in the northeast direction) in arabic

Imagine a low IQ Muslim “muh revert” from America who is trying to pray to his newly found fraudulent desert god. He is searching Amazon for a prayer rug that includes 5 audio buttons to press where each one correspond with the daily prayer.

The travesty with you autistic cucks will never cease to amaze me

I left islam cause it has 0 logic ngl if actually do research and read the quran u would leave it

 

[Deleted member 4362]

There was already plenty of infrastructure and viable tools in many newly independent colonies i.e in Africa(Nigeria). Turns out quadrupling your population in under a century with a dumb as hell population that are at each other's throats leads to these left behind colonial possessions not being sufficient enough to sustain the people of those nations. Now you may say that European colonization left the borders of Africa in a state where it is unnatural(not made with geographical or ethnic groups in mind) and that is correct it is something you could resolve simply leaving and forming your own state separate from the main one. Bangladesh did this for example. However even if European powers wanted to separate the place based on ethnic lines the entire place looks like this.

View attachment 2811177

You get what I mean? You simply can't blame anyone for this as most places had to spend time ethnically cleansing/assimilating one another to form their respective states. Also it's quite funny how people say Africa simply didn't get educates enough yet places like Malaysia, Singapore and Botswana had very similar starting points yet aren't as garbage shitholes.

I once elicited a whole room full of laughter. A particularly, stereotypical, arrogant 18 yr old negro argued loud and proudly that Europeans are at fault for everything.

I simply told him; “Look, before whites got there, it was just niggas being niggas”. Maybe people laughed because a negro (myself) said it, maybe it was the truth

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Thought experiment

What would occur if we transported the entire population of Japan in DRC and the entire population of the DRC in Japan. The only thing we are doing is switching the respective populations and leaving the infrastructure and general economies unchanged. Let's of course optimize the utility tools of these countries to how they are used to(so books, outdoor signs etc are in French in Japan so that people of DRC can understand). What would happen?

What time period does the hypothetical occur in? And do the respective environments and climates remain the same?

 

[Deleted member 4362]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur @Decretum1483 @looksmaxxed @NeedToSucceed @mazzi @Manu le coq @currylightskin @johncruz12345 @TsarTsar444 any thoughts?

 

[Offensive Bias]

Whag time period does the hypothetical occur in? And do the respective environments and climates remain the same?

General climate remains the same for these regions. Japan's geography retains it's Cfa( Temperate humid subtropical with no dry season so slightly hotter verison of England) and DRC with its Af-Aw climate(humid tropical climate wirh some savannahs) Modern timeline starting now. I could elicit a more detailed prerequisite however that isn't really necessary to what I'm trying to predict. Not going to go in depth on .org for certain.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

General climate remains the same for these regions. Japan's geography retains it's Cfa( Temperate humid subtropical with no dry season so slightly hotter verison of England) and DRC with its Af-Aw climate(humid tropical climate wirh some savannahs) Modern timeline starting now. I could elicit a more detailed prerequisite however that isn't really necessary to what I'm trying to predict. Not going to go in depth on .org for certain.

I honestly have no clue then. The obvious, most prominent & my own answer would be would be Japanese build, the black do not.

But this is just probabilities, I haven’t studied enough human history, psychology, evolution or biology to make an honest prediction.

At the end of the day history is just a revision, it’s not the predictor of all things man

 

[ElTruecel]

Depends on which Europeans. Spainards were arguably the colonizers that brought the better benefits. But I mean yea for the most part. Anglos eh. Half and half tbh ngl. british empire was practically controlled by Jews anyways

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Depends on which Europeans. Spainards were arguably the colonizers that brought the better benefits. But I mean yea for the most part. Anglos eh. Half and half tbh ngl. british empire was practically controlled by Jews anyways

So you have sources for that? The British empire being manipulated by Jews, I don’t doubt it much given they funded both world wars

 

[ElTruecel]

So you have sources for that? The British empire being manipulated by Jews, I don’t doubt it much given they funded both world wars

The Rothschilds took control of their central bank during the battle of Waterloo

 

[Offensive Bias]

I honestly have no clue then. The obvious and most prominent answer would be Japanese, the black do not.

But this is just probabilities, I haven’t studied enough human history, psychology, evolution or biology to make an honest prediction.

At the end of the day history is just a revision, it’s not the predictor of all things man

This could also be presented case of nature vs nurture having it's effect on the African populace. It's true that Tropical conditions are terrible for anything really, prevelance of tropical diseases, heat that makes it harder for you to work year round(easier to put more hours into something in the cold than heat) and whole host of other things I can't remember to present as of this moment. However there's advantages such as year round food prevelance(no drastic seasonal changes due to being on the equator leaving only dry and wet seasons) and less extremities in regards to temperature variance. However this has it's effect higher IQ not being necessary for survival in this tropical environment and things other than IQ(while important it's still merely a piece of the puzzle) impacting the civilizational performance of most SSA Africans.


Take for example Japanese conformist culture, It was made due in part to Japan being an Island that was on the Ring of Fire(Earthquake prone zone) In the event of an earthquake happening you need your fellow humans to help. However if you have disagreeing parties impeding your efforts this could result in certain death. As a result Japanese themselves have become increasingly more and more conformist over time. This is a case of nurture however just like how wolves who were more friendly to humans got domesticated into dogs. This conformist culture may have actually rewarded more conforming people with conforming genes enough to eventually make it apart of their nature.

What I'm saying is that even if you use the nurture argument for certain conditions in SSA it all ties back to enhancing certain aspects of one's physiology. How often do you see a Chinese woman with F cups? A Mexican man who is 6'2? A Kenyan highlander who sucks at marathons? A Middle Easterner without a nasal bump or a Slav without a wide skull?

I could have explained in more depth however I'm too lazy to think of anything rn.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Quick nitpick @Sny

Do you mind editing the part of my post you quoted in reply to say: “would be Japanese build” (mainly for archive)

My response lacks context without it, I didn’t edit it in time. Then delete this post as well because it’s not relevant, if I do respond, it will be on a separate post