we are at the end of a culture | the idea of man and women

[alurmo]

pre modern periods had the correct ideas on life

man as culture
women as nature

just think abt it in a physiological way, women used to be worshiped when people were under constant danger by nature, women exist as a conducter of natural forces, they represent a more primal nature, full of emotion, ability to give birth to itself, fertility, strong instincts
even upto how nature is personified, mother nature, norse goddes, ancient greece and gaia, similar godesses of africa and egypt

everywhere nature is personified as woman, in hunting societies where they depended upon nature, worshipped nature

but getting to men as culture, as culture progressed, eventually freeing men from the things of weather, and geography, the less women were worshipped, in another words, the more we depend on nature, more likely we are to worship a mother earth, when men assert dominance over nature through culture, the less they worship nature

so then there is a divide in gods, from a nature worship, the ancient men, after conquering nature, prob wanted to extend their power unto something greater, THUS they created a sky god, like zeus, god, the abrahamic religions, odin, men wanted to transcend feminine nature, judaism was the most powerful protest against nature, bc it assumes a father god, that created nature, even the christian idea of the devil who is on earth, is feminine and beautiful

we as a culture is a sky cult, the only deviation from this was ancient greece who mixed both together in their culture

so how i understand each is like this

the earth worshippers celebrate, nature/instinct/sex/lust/feminine, all the traits of women
the sky worshippers celebrate, culture/reason/regulation/supression/masculine

the transition into a sky worship culture, shifted women into a non important role in society, the ancient thought women had belly magick, due to them swell and give birth apparently due to their own lore, for the ancients, men honoured and feared women, due to them birthing man, and could destroy culture by will, as well as deploying "immoral" nature

but i feel like a shift happened when men dominated nature, its a obvious shift, from belly and primal magic, into head and uber human magic

the sky god of ancient greece was apollo(god of the sun), apollo is fully man
the earth god of ancient greece was dionysus(god of wine/intoxication), dionysus is androgynous young man. but dionysus is alwasy seen with grapes and vine

the cult of dionysus was majorily female, as welll as most modern nudist/return to nature clubs, the dionysus cult worshipped him through tearing animals to pieces, dancing on hills intoxicated, chanting hymns, human furr wearing, uncontrolled lust

and now let me also explore was dionysus and apollo is

traits of apollo-objectification/seperative/obsessiveness/fascism/higher cortex-like/civilization/law/tradition/tyrant/aristocrat/logical/stationary

traits of dionysus-identity/ sympathy/ energy/ ecstacy/emotion/ reptillian part of the brain/ mad/ democrative/ un-stationary

i also think women are inherintly more intertwined to nature due to their pregnancy and procreation, for 9 months, the women is consumed by a creation of a new human, costing her strenght/minerals/resources, all get lost to the fetus, and then at the end they give birth to a baby, painfully and dangerous in teh ancient times, women are inherintly enslaved to teh specie then us, her primacy and nature manifests itself fully when she procreates, her body serves the specie, the process of pregnancy cares nothing for the women, along with her periods to prepare her, they care nothing for the women and her pain tolerance, nor for her stability, her body purely serves the specie

totally indifferent to teh individual, one mission, which is pregnancy, but nature also cares nothing for individuals(as animals in nature are individauls, and are always in danger, thus nature doesnt care for individuals), nature only cares for the species, giving birht unto itself, women are bound to this fate, the fetus, just like nature, gets its own way, taking what the organism has, using it for itself, and giving birth unto itself, this isnt a sexual norm, its a biological fact for women at teh end fo the day

mens contribution to procreation and nature is little, as in sex the man only takes 9 minutes or more to create a child, thus we are supposed to inherintly surpass nature

early religion thus placed women at early religion, men were in awe at the woman power, women can give birth to women, but men are born from women,ancient men couldve resented the natural creativity of women, thus he excerts his creativity externally, tools, culture, form, regulation, all features of apollo, men give birth to ideas, tools, culture, as culture advances, nature as well as nature receeds in importance

in total, men is culture, females is nature
thus gender norms that affirm this, in total, is non superficial, but a biological truth

now into the title of the thread, as we know, androgony is a common appearence for moderns, we know it well, transgenderism, mens strive towards a middle ground of gender, the women as well

historically the drive towards androgony, only appears in late phases of the culture, it could mean the civilization is unraveling
like in roman empire, how they started as a culture which worshipped strong nude robust men athletes, transitioned near the end to a culture which preffered weaker looking men, more effeminate

and also with that cultures who drive towards androgony develops a ignorance towards nature thus, they feel they are sophisticated, due to them being able to shape itself in androgynous ways, homosexual ways, non heterosexual ways, they feel they are above nature in total
it then quickly becomes a culture which stops believing in itself, america was built on teh backs of a masculine culture, the people who then are convinced of heroic man and barbaric man, are now at the edge of this culture, theres now a complete disconnect in teh interesst of transgenderism and whats happening in our culture

@Aox Ofwar @Aristotélēs @inversions @PrettyboyQ

 

[inversions]

I'm too low iq for this shit nigga

 

[PrettyboyQ]

pre modern periods had the correct ideas on life

man as culture
women as nature

just think abt it in a physiological way, women used to be worshiped when people were under constant danger by nature, women exist as a conducter of natural forces, they represent a more primal nature, full of emotion, ability to give birth to itself, fertility, strong instincts
even upto how nature is personified, mother nature, norse goddes, ancient greece and gaia, similar godesses of africa and egypt

everywhere nature is personified as woman, in hunting societies where they depended upon nature, worshipped nature

but getting to men as culture, as culture progressed, eventually freeing men from the things of weather, and geography, the less women were worshipped, in another words, the more we depend on nature, more likely we are to worship a mother earth, when men assert dominance over nature through culture, the less they worship nature

so then there is a divide in gods, from a nature worship, the ancient men, after conquering nature, prob wanted to extend their power unto something greater, THUS they created a sky god, like zeus, god, the abrahamic religions, odin, men wanted to transcend feminine nature, judaism was the most powerful protest against nature, bc it assumes a father god, that created nature, even the christian idea of the devil who is on earth, is feminine and beautiful

we as a culture is a sky cult, the only deviation from this was ancient greece who mixed both together in their culture

so how i understand each is like this

the earth worshippers celebrate, nature/instinct/sex/lust/feminine, all the traits of women
the sky worshippers celebrate, culture/reason/regulation/supression/masculine

the transition into a sky worship culture, shifted women into a non important role in society, the ancient thought women had belly magick, due to them swell and give birth apparently due to their own lore, for the ancients, men honoured and feared women, due to them birthing man, and could destroy culture by will, as well as deploying "immoral" nature

but i feel like a shift happened when men dominated nature, its a obvious shift, from belly and primal magic, into head and uber human magic

the sky god of ancient greece was apollo(god of the sun), apollo is fully man
the earth god of ancient greece was dionysus(god of wine/intoxication), dionysus is androgynous young man. but dionysus is alwasy seen with grapes and vine

the cult of dionysus was majorily female, as welll as most modern nudist/return to nature clubs, the dionysus cult worshipped him through tearing animals to pieces, dancing on hills intoxicated, chanting hymns, human furr wearing, uncontrolled lust

and now let me also explore was dionysus and apollo is

traits of apollo-objectification/seperative/obsessiveness/fascism/higher cortex-like/civilization/law/tradition/tyrant/aristocrat/logical/stationary

traits of dionysus-identity/ sympathy/ energy/ ecstacy/emotion/ reptillian part of the brain/ mad/ democrative/ un-stationary

i also think women are inherintly more intertwined to nature due to their pregnancy and procreation, for 9 months, the women is consumed by a creation of a new human, costing her strenght/minerals/resources, all get lost to the fetus, and then at the end they give birth to a baby, painfully and dangerous in teh ancient times, women are inherintly enslaved to teh specie then us, her primacy and nature manifests itself fully when she procreates, her body serves the specie, the process of pregnancy cares nothing for the women, along with her periods to prepare her, they care nothing for the women and her pain tolerance, nor for her stability, her body purely serves the specie

totally indifferent to teh individual, one mission, which is pregnancy, but nature also cares nothing for individuals(as animals in nature are individauls, and are always in danger, thus nature doesnt care for individuals), nature only cares for the species, giving birht unto itself, women are bound to this fate, the fetus, just like nature, gets its own way, taking what the organism has, using it for itself, and giving birth unto itself, this isnt a sexual norm, its a biological fact for women at teh end fo the day

mens contribution to procreation and nature is little, as in sex the man only takes 9 minutes or more to create a child, thus we are supposed to inherintly surpass nature

early religion thus placed women at early religion, men were in awe at the woman power, women can give birth to women, but men are born from women,ancient men couldve resented the natural creativity of women, thus he excerts his creativity externally, tools, culture, form, regulation, all features of apollo, men give birth to ideas, tools, culture, as culture advances, nature as well as nature receeds in importance

in total, men is culture, females is nature
thus gender norms that affirm this, in total, is non superficial, but a biological truth

now into the title of the thread, as we know, androgony is a common appearence for moderns, we know it well, transgenderism, mens strive towards a middle ground of gender, the women as well

historically the drive towards androgony, only appears in late phases of the culture, it could mean the civilization is unraveling
like in roman empire, how they started as a culture which worshipped strong nude robust men athletes, transitioned near the end to a culture which preffered weaker looking men, more effeminate

and also with that cultures who drive towards androgony develops a ignorance towards nature thus, they feel they are sophisticated, due to them being able to shape itself in androgynous ways, homosexual ways, non heterosexual ways, they feel they are above nature in total
it then quickly becomes a culture which stops believing in itself, america was built on teh backs of a masculine culture, the people who then are convinced of heroic man and barbaric man, are now at the edge of this culture, theres now a complete disconnect in teh interesst of transgenderism and whats happening in our culture

@Aox Ofwar @Aristotélēs @inversions @PrettyboyQ

We need a separate forum for philosophy and it needs to actually have limits to who can post there.

 

[dictator]

 

[Slow]

pre modern periods had the correct ideas on life

man as culture
women as nature

just think abt it in a physiological way, women used to be worshiped when people were under constant danger by nature, women exist as a conducter of natural forces, they represent a more primal nature, full of emotion, ability to give birth to itself, fertility, strong instincts
even upto how nature is personified, mother nature, norse goddes, ancient greece and gaia, similar godesses of africa and egypt

everywhere nature is personified as woman, in hunting societies where they depended upon nature, worshipped nature

but getting to men as culture, as culture progressed, eventually freeing men from the things of weather, and geography, the less women were worshipped, in another words, the more we depend on nature, more likely we are to worship a mother earth, when men assert dominance over nature through culture, the less they worship nature

so then there is a divide in gods, from a nature worship, the ancient men, after conquering nature, prob wanted to extend their power unto something greater, THUS they created a sky god, like zeus, god, the abrahamic religions, odin, men wanted to transcend feminine nature, judaism was the most powerful protest against nature, bc it assumes a father god, that created nature, even the christian idea of the devil who is on earth, is feminine and beautiful

we as a culture is a sky cult, the only deviation from this was ancient greece who mixed both together in their culture

so how i understand each is like this

the earth worshippers celebrate, nature/instinct/sex/lust/feminine, all the traits of women
the sky worshippers celebrate, culture/reason/regulation/supression/masculine

the transition into a sky worship culture, shifted women into a non important role in society, the ancient thought women had belly magick, due to them swell and give birth apparently due to their own lore, for the ancients, men honoured and feared women, due to them birthing man, and could destroy culture by will, as well as deploying "immoral" nature

but i feel like a shift happened when men dominated nature, its a obvious shift, from belly and primal magic, into head and uber human magic

the sky god of ancient greece was apollo(god of the sun), apollo is fully man
the earth god of ancient greece was dionysus(god of wine/intoxication), dionysus is androgynous young man. but dionysus is alwasy seen with grapes and vine

the cult of dionysus was majorily female, as welll as most modern nudist/return to nature clubs, the dionysus cult worshipped him through tearing animals to pieces, dancing on hills intoxicated, chanting hymns, human furr wearing, uncontrolled lust

and now let me also explore was dionysus and apollo is

traits of apollo-objectification/seperative/obsessiveness/fascism/higher cortex-like/civilization/law/tradition/tyrant/aristocrat/logical/stationary

traits of dionysus-identity/ sympathy/ energy/ ecstacy/emotion/ reptillian part of the brain/ mad/ democrative/ un-stationary

i also think women are inherintly more intertwined to nature due to their pregnancy and procreation, for 9 months, the women is consumed by a creation of a new human, costing her strenght/minerals/resources, all get lost to the fetus, and then at the end they give birth to a baby, painfully and dangerous in teh ancient times, women are inherintly enslaved to teh specie then us, her primacy and nature manifests itself fully when she procreates, her body serves the specie, the process of pregnancy cares nothing for the women, along with her periods to prepare her, they care nothing for the women and her pain tolerance, nor for her stability, her body purely serves the specie

totally indifferent to teh individual, one mission, which is pregnancy, but nature also cares nothing for individuals(as animals in nature are individauls, and are always in danger, thus nature doesnt care for individuals), nature only cares for the species, giving birht unto itself, women are bound to this fate, the fetus, just like nature, gets its own way, taking what the organism has, using it for itself, and giving birth unto itself, this isnt a sexual norm, its a biological fact for women at teh end fo the day

mens contribution to procreation and nature is little, as in sex the man only takes 9 minutes or more to create a child, thus we are supposed to inherintly surpass nature

early religion thus placed women at early religion, men were in awe at the woman power, women can give birth to women, but men are born from women,ancient men couldve resented the natural creativity of women, thus he excerts his creativity externally, tools, culture, form, regulation, all features of apollo, men give birth to ideas, tools, culture, as culture advances, nature as well as nature receeds in importance

in total, men is culture, females is nature
thus gender norms that affirm this, in total, is non superficial, but a biological truth

now into the title of the thread, as we know, androgony is a common appearence for moderns, we know it well, transgenderism, mens strive towards a middle ground of gender, the women as well

historically the drive towards androgony, only appears in late phases of the culture, it could mean the civilization is unraveling
like in roman empire, how they started as a culture which worshipped strong nude robust men athletes, transitioned near the end to a culture which preffered weaker looking men, more effeminate

and also with that cultures who drive towards androgony develops a ignorance towards nature thus, they feel they are sophisticated, due to them being able to shape itself in androgynous ways, homosexual ways, non heterosexual ways, they feel they are above nature in total
it then quickly becomes a culture which stops believing in itself, america was built on teh backs of a masculine culture, the people who then are convinced of heroic man and barbaric man, are now at the edge of this culture, theres now a complete disconnect in teh interesst of transgenderism and whats happening in our culture

@Aox Ofwar @Aristotélēs @inversions @PrettyboyQ

Deep down I’m a feminist

 

[centuryformillenia]

pre modern periods had the correct ideas on life

man as culture
women as nature

just think abt it in a physiological way, women used to be worshiped when people were under constant danger by nature, women exist as a conducter of natural forces, they represent a more primal nature, full of emotion, ability to give birth to itself, fertility, strong instincts
even upto how nature is personified, mother nature, norse goddes, ancient greece and gaia, similar godesses of africa and egypt

everywhere nature is personified as woman, in hunting societies where they depended upon nature, worshipped nature

but getting to men as culture, as culture progressed, eventually freeing men from the things of weather, and geography, the less women were worshipped, in another words, the more we depend on nature, more likely we are to worship a mother earth, when men assert dominance over nature through culture, the less they worship nature

so then there is a divide in gods, from a nature worship, the ancient men, after conquering nature, prob wanted to extend their power unto something greater, THUS they created a sky god, like zeus, god, the abrahamic religions, odin, men wanted to transcend feminine nature, judaism was the most powerful protest against nature, bc it assumes a father god, that created nature, even the christian idea of the devil who is on earth, is feminine and beautiful

we as a culture is a sky cult, the only deviation from this was ancient greece who mixed both together in their culture

so how i understand each is like this

the earth worshippers celebrate, nature/instinct/sex/lust/feminine, all the traits of women
the sky worshippers celebrate, culture/reason/regulation/supression/masculine

the transition into a sky worship culture, shifted women into a non important role in society, the ancient thought women had belly magick, due to them swell and give birth apparently due to their own lore, for the ancients, men honoured and feared women, due to them birthing man, and could destroy culture by will, as well as deploying "immoral" nature

but i feel like a shift happened when men dominated nature, its a obvious shift, from belly and primal magic, into head and uber human magic

the sky god of ancient greece was apollo(god of the sun), apollo is fully man
the earth god of ancient greece was dionysus(god of wine/intoxication), dionysus is androgynous young man. but dionysus is alwasy seen with grapes and vine

the cult of dionysus was majorily female, as welll as most modern nudist/return to nature clubs, the dionysus cult worshipped him through tearing animals to pieces, dancing on hills intoxicated, chanting hymns, human furr wearing, uncontrolled lust

and now let me also explore was dionysus and apollo is

traits of apollo-objectification/seperative/obsessiveness/fascism/higher cortex-like/civilization/law/tradition/tyrant/aristocrat/logical/stationary

traits of dionysus-identity/ sympathy/ energy/ ecstacy/emotion/ reptillian part of the brain/ mad/ democrative/ un-stationary

i also think women are inherintly more intertwined to nature due to their pregnancy and procreation, for 9 months, the women is consumed by a creation of a new human, costing her strenght/minerals/resources, all get lost to the fetus, and then at the end they give birth to a baby, painfully and dangerous in teh ancient times, women are inherintly enslaved to teh specie then us, her primacy and nature manifests itself fully when she procreates, her body serves the specie, the process of pregnancy cares nothing for the women, along with her periods to prepare her, they care nothing for the women and her pain tolerance, nor for her stability, her body purely serves the specie

totally indifferent to teh individual, one mission, which is pregnancy, but nature also cares nothing for individuals(as animals in nature are individauls, and are always in danger, thus nature doesnt care for individuals), nature only cares for the species, giving birht unto itself, women are bound to this fate, the fetus, just like nature, gets its own way, taking what the organism has, using it for itself, and giving birth unto itself, this isnt a sexual norm, its a biological fact for women at teh end fo the day

mens contribution to procreation and nature is little, as in sex the man only takes 9 minutes or more to create a child, thus we are supposed to inherintly surpass nature

early religion thus placed women at early religion, men were in awe at the woman power, women can give birth to women, but men are born from women,ancient men couldve resented the natural creativity of women, thus he excerts his creativity externally, tools, culture, form, regulation, all features of apollo, men give birth to ideas, tools, culture, as culture advances, nature as well as nature receeds in importance

in total, men is culture, females is nature
thus gender norms that affirm this, in total, is non superficial, but a biological truth

now into the title of the thread, as we know, androgony is a common appearence for moderns, we know it well, transgenderism, mens strive towards a middle ground of gender, the women as well

historically the drive towards androgony, only appears in late phases of the culture, it could mean the civilization is unraveling
like in roman empire, how they started as a culture which worshipped strong nude robust men athletes, transitioned near the end to a culture which preffered weaker looking men, more effeminate

and also with that cultures who drive towards androgony develops a ignorance towards nature thus, they feel they are sophisticated, due to them being able to shape itself in androgynous ways, homosexual ways, non heterosexual ways, they feel they are above nature in total
it then quickly becomes a culture which stops believing in itself, america was built on teh backs of a masculine culture, the people who then are convinced of heroic man and barbaric man, are now at the edge of this culture, theres now a complete disconnect in teh interesst of transgenderism and whats happening in our culture

@Aox Ofwar @Aristotélēs @inversions @PrettyboyQ

Your basically worshipping women in the post exclaiming that men have less to do procreating and when the shift happened it was us who wanted the upper hand but you don’t understand the process behind putting those 9 minutes into a women depending on the generation you go back to in Roman times you needed to write plenty of poems and pray to multiple gods to get a woman who ( in tales ) zues might make your girl pregnant it was a frustrating process and those 9 minutes are bliss

We also shifted due to the patriarchy women love to be on the top due to greediness in our blood we humans always have a thirst for more and being female accentuates even more for example take a look at the female pea cock plain and brown meanwhile the male has to put on a show now 30x that and have a thirst for technological advancement

 

[patrikos.psl]

pre modern periods had the correct ideas on life

man as culture
women as nature

just think abt it in a physiological way, women used to be worshiped when people were under constant danger by nature, women exist as a conducter of natural forces, they represent a more primal nature, full of emotion, ability to give birth to itself, fertility, strong instincts
even upto how nature is personified, mother nature, norse goddes, ancient greece and gaia, similar godesses of africa and egypt

everywhere nature is personified as woman, in hunting societies where they depended upon nature, worshipped nature

but getting to men as culture, as culture progressed, eventually freeing men from the things of weather, and geography, the less women were worshipped, in another words, the more we depend on nature, more likely we are to worship a mother earth, when men assert dominance over nature through culture, the less they worship nature

so then there is a divide in gods, from a nature worship, the ancient men, after conquering nature, prob wanted to extend their power unto something greater, THUS they created a sky god, like zeus, god, the abrahamic religions, odin, men wanted to transcend feminine nature, judaism was the most powerful protest against nature, bc it assumes a father god, that created nature, even the christian idea of the devil who is on earth, is feminine and beautiful

we as a culture is a sky cult, the only deviation from this was ancient greece who mixed both together in their culture

so how i understand each is like this

the earth worshippers celebrate, nature/instinct/sex/lust/feminine, all the traits of women
the sky worshippers celebrate, culture/reason/regulation/supression/masculine

the transition into a sky worship culture, shifted women into a non important role in society, the ancient thought women had belly magick, due to them swell and give birth apparently due to their own lore, for the ancients, men honoured and feared women, due to them birthing man, and could destroy culture by will, as well as deploying "immoral" nature

but i feel like a shift happened when men dominated nature, its a obvious shift, from belly and primal magic, into head and uber human magic

the sky god of ancient greece was apollo(god of the sun), apollo is fully man
the earth god of ancient greece was dionysus(god of wine/intoxication), dionysus is androgynous young man. but dionysus is alwasy seen with grapes and vine

the cult of dionysus was majorily female, as welll as most modern nudist/return to nature clubs, the dionysus cult worshipped him through tearing animals to pieces, dancing on hills intoxicated, chanting hymns, human furr wearing, uncontrolled lust

and now let me also explore was dionysus and apollo is

traits of apollo-objectification/seperative/obsessiveness/fascism/higher cortex-like/civilization/law/tradition/tyrant/aristocrat/logical/stationary

traits of dionysus-identity/ sympathy/ energy/ ecstacy/emotion/ reptillian part of the brain/ mad/ democrative/ un-stationary

i also think women are inherintly more intertwined to nature due to their pregnancy and procreation, for 9 months, the women is consumed by a creation of a new human, costing her strenght/minerals/resources, all get lost to the fetus, and then at the end they give birth to a baby, painfully and dangerous in teh ancient times, women are inherintly enslaved to teh specie then us, her primacy and nature manifests itself fully when she procreates, her body serves the specie, the process of pregnancy cares nothing for the women, along with her periods to prepare her, they care nothing for the women and her pain tolerance, nor for her stability, her body purely serves the specie

totally indifferent to teh individual, one mission, which is pregnancy, but nature also cares nothing for individuals(as animals in nature are individauls, and are always in danger, thus nature doesnt care for individuals), nature only cares for the species, giving birht unto itself, women are bound to this fate, the fetus, just like nature, gets its own way, taking what the organism has, using it for itself, and giving birth unto itself, this isnt a sexual norm, its a biological fact for women at teh end fo the day

mens contribution to procreation and nature is little, as in sex the man only takes 9 minutes or more to create a child, thus we are supposed to inherintly surpass nature

early religion thus placed women at early religion, men were in awe at the woman power, women can give birth to women, but men are born from women,ancient men couldve resented the natural creativity of women, thus he excerts his creativity externally, tools, culture, form, regulation, all features of apollo, men give birth to ideas, tools, culture, as culture advances, nature as well as nature receeds in importance

in total, men is culture, females is nature
thus gender norms that affirm this, in total, is non superficial, but a biological truth

now into the title of the thread, as we know, androgony is a common appearence for moderns, we know it well, transgenderism, mens strive towards a middle ground of gender, the women as well

historically the drive towards androgony, only appears in late phases of the culture, it could mean the civilization is unraveling
like in roman empire, how they started as a culture which worshipped strong nude robust men athletes, transitioned near the end to a culture which preffered weaker looking men, more effeminate

and also with that cultures who drive towards androgony develops a ignorance towards nature thus, they feel they are sophisticated, due to them being able to shape itself in androgynous ways, homosexual ways, non heterosexual ways, they feel they are above nature in total
it then quickly becomes a culture which stops believing in itself, america was built on teh backs of a masculine culture, the people who then are convinced of heroic man and barbaric man, are now at the edge of this culture, theres now a complete disconnect in teh interesst of transgenderism and whats happening in our culture

@Aox Ofwar @Aristotélēs @inversions @PrettyboyQ

Beautiful post, might I add:

The distinction between sky worship and earth worship as a civilizational axis is something Evola spends considerable time on in Revolt Against the Modern World, where he frames the shift from lunar to solar symbolism as the foundational movement of every high culture worth the name. What you have done here is arrive at the same conclusion through a biological and anthropological lens rather than a metaphysical one. The Dionysian cult as proto-democratic, the Apollonian as aristocratic and separative, this maps almost perfectly onto Nietzsche's own framework in The Birth of Tragedy, though he stops short of extending it into the gender dynamic the way you have here. The observation that men, freed from dependence on nature, redirected their creative drive outward into culture and tool and form is the origin of civilization itself.

Where I would push further is on the androgyny point. The drift toward androgyny in late civilizational phases is the unraveling made visible in the body. Spengler would call it the mark of the Fellaheen, the post-historical man who has lost the will that built the culture and now exists inside its ruins, mistaking comfort for sophistication and formlessness for freedom.

Mirin the high iq post boyo, check out some of my work
We'd be pretty good friends I can tell.

 

[Luquier]

100% civilisation is built by and for males

Women have their natural role, get fucked then give birth. Been like that since the dawn of time. That’s their only real purpose and women otherwise lack any defining traits (females are always the plainest gender), pretty much animals.

‘Feminity’ is basically established by patriarchal culture as a way to try and instill (ironically) male virtues into women such as discipline, wisdom, self restraint, resilience, modesty, respect, religious piety, empathy

 

[Dhoriscol]

im not reading all that shit

 

[Szpont]

dnr but high iq thread

 

[irrumator praetor]

women used to be worshiped when people were under constant danger by nature, women exist as a conducter of natural forces, they represent a more primal nature, full of emotion

dnr feminist low iq drivel

how are you writing this with a straight face? "Women are so powerful, men would lick their toes in the time of danger" are you gay? wtf is this shit?

 

[alurmo]

dnr feminist low iq drivel

how are you writing this with a straight face? "Women are so powerful, men would lick their toes in the time of danger" are you gay? wtf is this shit?

are u this up in ur own ass?

in ancient times, pre a ordered civilization, without a stable place to live, women were seen as more important, and its a biological fact women are more emotional, more degenerate in their nature
they wouldnt lick womens toenails or sily things like that, they had a wordview that placed women at a higher importance due to them having abilties to create men and give birth, no worship or anything like that

jfl at u denominating to labels, now i know what kind of man you are

 

[irrumator praetor]

are u this up in ur own ass?

in ancient times, pre a ordered civilization, without a stable place to live, women were seen as more important, and its a biological fact women are more emotional, more degenerate in their nature
they wouldnt lick womens toenails or sily things like that, they had a wordview that placed women at a higher importance due to them having abilties to create men and give birth, no worship or anything like that

jfl at u denominating to labels, now i know what kind of man you are

ok they used female symbology but it didn't mean they worshipped women the matriarchy bullshit is cope btw

it doesn't mean more than a metaphor. Imagine some 3 4k years later some nigger is writing on .org "women were poweful semiconductors..." nigga pipe down and calm down. Might wanna read that aloud on a feminist rally lil bro

 

[Luquier]

ok they used female symbology but it didn't mean they worshipped women the matriarchy bullshit is cope btw

it doesn't mean more than a metaphor. Imagine some 3 4k years later some nigger is writing on .org "women were poweful semiconductors..." nigga pipe down and calm down. Might wanna read that aloud on a feminist rally lil bro

How did you manage to interpret this thread as feminist jfl

 

[alurmo]

ok they used female symbology but it didn't mean they worshipped women the matriarchy bullshit is cope btw

it doesn't mean more than a metaphor. Imagine some 3 4k years later some nigger is writing on .org "women were poweful semiconductors..." nigga pipe down and calm down. Might wanna read that aloud on a feminist rally lil bro

is there even any backing behind this idea, worshipping no, but symbolism is artistic and art is then worshipped by the culture?
if the cultures symbolism puts women at the forefront, doesnt that naturally make the ancients have a inclination to put more importance on women

look at ancient wall paintings, the voluptious figure and fertile sculptures, all that symbolism cant be ignored, if it was done more then hundreds of times across history

read the men and women part of revolt against the modern world by evola, this is majorely fractions from what i got from that book

and if u havent jfl at u, are u the redpill uber masc fuhrer or smt nigga, ik u prob may wanna kill foids rape them and shit, but look, my stance isnt built on hatred, i simply acknowledge that women have their natural inclinations, all we can do is harness that to a superior non degen kind

 

[til<3D]

@yoyoyo123123 what we say?

 

[yoyoyo123123]

@yoyoyo123123 what we say?

Nzk nigger

 

[til<3D]

Nzk nigger

pre modern periods had the correct ideas on life

man as culture
women as nature

just think abt it in a physiological way, women used to be worshiped when people were under constant danger by nature, women exist as a conducter of natural forces, they represent a more primal nature, full of emotion, ability to give birth to itself, fertility, strong instincts
even upto how nature is personified, mother nature, norse goddes, ancient greece and gaia, similar godesses of africa and egypt

everywhere nature is personified as woman, in hunting societies where they depended upon nature, worshipped nature

but getting to men as culture, as culture progressed, eventually freeing men from the things of weather, and geography, the less women were worshipped, in another words, the more we depend on nature, more likely we are to worship a mother earth, when men assert dominance over nature through culture, the less they worship nature

so then there is a divide in gods, from a nature worship, the ancient men, after conquering nature, prob wanted to extend their power unto something greater, THUS they created a sky god, like zeus, god, the abrahamic religions, odin, men wanted to transcend feminine nature, judaism was the most powerful protest against nature, bc it assumes a father god, that created nature, even the christian idea of the devil who is on earth, is feminine and beautiful

we as a culture is a sky cult, the only deviation from this was ancient greece who mixed both together in their culture

so how i understand each is like this

the earth worshippers celebrate, nature/instinct/sex/lust/feminine, all the traits of women
the sky worshippers celebrate, culture/reason/regulation/supression/masculine

the transition into a sky worship culture, shifted women into a non important role in society, the ancient thought women had belly magick, due to them swell and give birth apparently due to their own lore, for the ancients, men honoured and feared women, due to them birthing man, and could destroy culture by will, as well as deploying "immoral" nature

but i feel like a shift happened when men dominated nature, its a obvious shift, from belly and primal magic, into head and uber human magic

the sky god of ancient greece was apollo(god of the sun), apollo is fully man
the earth god of ancient greece was dionysus(god of wine/intoxication), dionysus is androgynous young man. but dionysus is alwasy seen with grapes and vine

the cult of dionysus was majorily female, as welll as most modern nudist/return to nature clubs, the dionysus cult worshipped him through tearing animals to pieces, dancing on hills intoxicated, chanting hymns, human furr wearing, uncontrolled lust

and now let me also explore was dionysus and apollo is

traits of apollo-objectification/seperative/obsessiveness/fascism/higher cortex-like/civilization/law/tradition/tyrant/aristocrat/logical/stationary

traits of dionysus-identity/ sympathy/ energy/ ecstacy/emotion/ reptillian part of the brain/ mad/ democrative/ un-stationary

i also think women are inherintly more intertwined to nature due to their pregnancy and procreation, for 9 months, the women is consumed by a creation of a new human, costing her strenght/minerals/resources, all get lost to the fetus, and then at the end they give birth to a baby, painfully and dangerous in teh ancient times, women are inherintly enslaved to teh specie then us, her primacy and nature manifests itself fully when she procreates, her body serves the specie, the process of pregnancy cares nothing for the women, along with her periods to prepare her, they care nothing for the women and her pain tolerance, nor for her stability, her body purely serves the specie

totally indifferent to teh individual, one mission, which is pregnancy, but nature also cares nothing for individuals(as animals in nature are individauls, and are always in danger, thus nature doesnt care for individuals), nature only cares for the species, giving birht unto itself, women are bound to this fate, the fetus, just like nature, gets its own way, taking what the organism has, using it for itself, and giving birth unto itself, this isnt a sexual norm, its a biological fact for women at teh end fo the day

mens contribution to procreation and nature is little, as in sex the man only takes 9 minutes or more to create a child, thus we are supposed to inherintly surpass nature

early religion thus placed women at early religion, men were in awe at the woman power, women can give birth to women, but men are born from women,ancient men couldve resented the natural creativity of women, thus he excerts his creativity externally, tools, culture, form, regulation, all features of apollo, men give birth to ideas, tools, culture, as culture advances, nature as well as nature receeds in importance

in total, men is culture, females is nature
thus gender norms that affirm this, in total, is non superficial, but a biological truth

now into the title of the thread, as we know, androgony is a common appearence for moderns, we know it well, transgenderism, mens strive towards a middle ground of gender, the women as well

historically the drive towards androgony, only appears in late phases of the culture, it could mean the civilization is unraveling
like in roman empire, how they started as a culture which worshipped strong nude robust men athletes, transitioned near the end to a culture which preffered weaker looking men, more effeminate

and also with that cultures who drive towards androgony develops a ignorance towards nature thus, they feel they are sophisticated, due to them being able to shape itself in androgynous ways, homosexual ways, non heterosexual ways, they feel they are above nature in total
it then quickly becomes a culture which stops believing in itself, america was built on teh backs of a masculine culture, the people who then are convinced of heroic man and barbaric man, are now at the edge of this culture, theres now a complete disconnect in teh interesst of transgenderism and whats happening in our culture

@Aox Ofwar @Aristotélēs @inversions @PrettyboyQ

I just read mb this is highly refined philosophy of culture high IQ really

 

[Luquier]

is there even any backing behind this idea, worshipping no, but symbolism is artistic and art is then worshipped by the culture?
if the cultures symbolism puts women at the forefront, doesnt that naturally make the ancients have a inclination to put more importance on women

look at ancient wall paintings, the voluptious figure and fertile sculptures, all that symbolism cant be ignored, if it was done more then hundreds of times across history

read the men and women part of revolt against the modern world by evola, this is majorely fractions from what i got from that book

and if u havent jfl at u, are u the redpill uber masc fuhrer or smt nigga, ik u prob may wanna kill foids rape them and shit, but look, my stance isnt built on hatred, i simply acknowledge that women have their natural inclinations, all we can do is harness that to a superior non degen kind

Female nature needs to be erased completely

First patriarchy was established to abstract women into birthvessels for men, now we have surrogacy and test tube babies and artificial incubators + artificial eggs are soon to come. Liberation from the anarchy and evil of foids is nigh

 

[irrumator praetor]

How did you manage to interpret this thread as feminist jfl

because he thinks hes got it all when he repeats the same slop bullshit from spiritualist instagram pages who deadass lie about female symbolism and role in ancient cultures in order to get more views

men who watch that content get attracted to the idea/concept even if it may be incorrect

women hear "womminz wuz worshipped n shieeet" and click like

So the creator that promotes the bullshit spirituality videos gets better numbers that way

Then niggers like this simply repeat the same talking points without being rigorous enough thinking they know it all on org

I, as a reader, simply have only 1 responsibility, and its just to call out bullshit where it is

If that pisses off the author then thats because he didn't think 2 seconds before writing and posting

 

[Luquier]

because he thinks hes got it all when he repeats the same slop bullshit from spiritualist instagram pages who deadass lie about female symbolism and role in ancient cultures in order to get more views

men who watch that content get attracted to the idea/concept even if it may be incorrect

women hear "womminz wuz worshipped n shieeet" and click like

So the creator that promotes the bullshit spirituality videos gets better numbers that way

Then niggers like this simply repeat the same talking points without being rigorous enough thinking they know it all on org

I, as a reader, simply have only 1 responsibility, and its just to call out bullshit where it is

If that pisses off the author then thats because he didn't think 2 seconds before writing and posting

Eh it’s probably true, certain Aboriginal and Sub-Saharan cultures are foid worshipping. It makes sense that Eurasians too were foid worshipping retards at some point in time

 

[irrumator praetor]

is there even any backing behind this idea, worshipping no, but symbolism is artistic and art is then worshipped by the culture?
if the cultures symbolism puts women at the forefront, doesnt that naturally make the ancients have a inclination to put more importance on women

look at ancient wall paintings, the voluptious figure and fertile sculptures, all that symbolism cant be ignored, if it was done more then hundreds of times across history

read the men and women part of revolt against the modern world by evola, this is majorely fractions from what i got from that book

and if u havent jfl at u, are u the redpill uber masc fuhrer or smt nigga, ik u prob may wanna kill foids rape them and shit, but look, my stance isnt built on hatred, i simply acknowledge that women have their natural inclinations, all we can do is harness that to a superior non degen kind

What does worship mean? How can you sacrifice to art? Can you sacrifice to art or an idea? Do you think A) they bowed down to a statue of a landwhale or B) they celebrated seasons and cosplayed animals (obviously B, nigger)

Then what fucking role did women play at all in "worship", beside getting fucked? How are "women" elevated to a level of importance? Don't you know they were treated like property? And what the fuck are you even talking about when it comes to female symbolism? Jfl at the rest of the text "muh revolt" "muh men AND women" not replying to that shit

 

[irrumator praetor]

Eh it’s probably true, certain Aboriginal and Sub-Saharan cultures are foid worshipping. It makes sense that Eurasians too were foid worshipping retards at some point in time

nah you don't know what worship means and no one worships foids ever jfl

all claims that communities were ever matriarchal are made up feminist BS to justify modernity

 

[irrumator praetor]

scantly skimmed over the rest of the post, I think I don't have a problem with it. I just gotta call out feminist delusions where I see it though

 

[alurmo]

nah you don't know what worship means and no one worships foids ever jfl

all claims that communities were ever matriarchal are made up feminist BS to justify modernity

dude ur acting as if i idealize foid worship, even if it didnt happen, our condition rn is not upto standards or not even near to the ideal society

the ideal society doesnt worship foids, but the nature of them, like ancient greece, for example, did it well, through dionysus and apollo

thats all im gonna say to u bro, in the end of the thread, the idealise society after conquering nature, is to synthesise the two forces that are natural(ordered, logical and chaotic, instinctual)

 

[irrumator praetor]

Female nature needs to be erased completely

First patriarchy was established to abstract women into birthvessels for men, now we have surrogacy and test tube babies and artificial incubators + artificial eggs are soon to come. Liberation from the anarchy and evil of foids is nigh

btw wtf is this?

 

[alurmo]

scantly skimmed over the rest of the post, I think I don't have a problem with it. I just gotta call out feminist delusions where I see it though

yeah i prob didnt do too much research on it, that part was based on my ideas after looking at pre ancient greek women statues, which i might think could just be their idealised culture, nomads wanting excess, manifesting it in sculptures, and evola's idea of lunar whorship, which i still think holds truth

with that, i can see how you think its misrepresentations

 

[Luquier]

nah you don't know what worship means and no one worships foids ever jfl

all claims that communities were ever matriarchal are made up feminist BS to justify modernity

Worship can mean anything

You’re missing the point here by demanding objectivity and facts (ofc it’s impossible to really prove anything) when the discussion is about ethos, feel and soul

 

[irrumator praetor]

Worship can mean anything

You’re missing the point here by demanding objectivity and facts (ofc it’s impossible to really prove anything) when the discussion is about ethos, feel and soul

 

[Luquier]

btw wtf is this?

It’s coping because I can’t get ass

Androgynous bio-foid is way better than AI cope

 

[irrumator praetor]

It’s coping because I can’t get ass

Androgynous bio-foid is way better than AI cope

fair yea sucks

 

[1966Ford]

women can give birth to women

How does one chick and another chick get pregnant?