what are the best ancillares for the neurotoxicity and cardiovascular issues on tren at 15

[itsover4rishy]

my main plan is too run 50-100mgs tren, 100-150mgs TEST E, 5 halo and 8-12 gh, some people are saying that halo is overrated and the cortisol isnt worth it, but bc of trens insanely toxic sides, im jst curious on what ancillares to run for the brain and heart, i have the liver sorted with nac, tudca, red rice, milk thilstle etc, but for the brain im planning on doing

Modafinil ( highest mg )
Donepezil ( highest mg )
Fluoxetine ( highest mg )
Memantine ( highest mg )
Selegiline ( highest mg )
Piracetam ( highest mg )
some say cerebroylsin is overrated but im not sure, any actual advice would be appreciated, wether its about the cycle or the ancillares, lmk.

 

[user20266741]

Cant help but ill bump

 

[itsover4rishy]

Cant help but ill bump

preciate this bhai

 

[itsover4rishy]

my main plan is too run 50-100mgs tren, 100-150mgs TEST E, 5 halo and 8-12 gh, some people are saying that halo is overrated and the cortisol isnt worth it, but bc of trens insanely toxic sides, im jst curious on what ancillares to run for the brain and heart, i have the liver sorted with nac, tudca, red rice, milk thilstle etc, but for the brain im planning on doing

Modafinil ( highest mg )
Donepezil ( highest mg )
Fluoxetine ( highest mg )
Memantine ( highest mg )
Selegiline ( highest mg )
Piracetam ( highest mg )
some say cerebroylsin is overrated but im not sure, any actual advice would be appreciated, wether its about the cycle or the ancillares, lmk.

bump this fucking thread

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Way too fucking much bullshit nigga.

Just e2 in range, sleep good and maybe throw some nac and memantine for direct countermeasures to combat excitotoxicity, inflammation and oxidative stress.

Youre blowing a hole in your wallet with this chatgpt stack especially for such low doses

 

[itsover4rishy]

Way too fucking much bullshit nigga.

Just e2 in range, sleep good and maybe throw some nac and memantine for direct countermeasures to combat excitotoxicity, inflammation and oxidative stress.

Youre blowing a hole in your wallet with this chatgpt stack

really? no other ancillares for my brain?? what about my cardiovascular health, preciate ur reply tho

 

[itsover4rishy]

Way too fucking much bullshit nigga.

Just e2 in range, sleep good and maybe throw some nac and memantine for direct countermeasures to combat excitotoxicity, inflammation and oxidative stress.

Youre blowing a hole in your wallet with this chatgpt stack especially for such low doses

how do i plan too keep my e2 in range, the progesterone activation from tren makes e2 way more sensitive, is there anything in my actual stack that could be changed??

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

how do i plan too keep my e2 in range, the progesterone activation from tren makes e2 way more sensitive, is there anything in my actual stack that could be changed??

Your e2 will more than likely be in range with 150 test given that youre not on anything that lowers it.

If I were you id just stick to tren and test. Keep saturated fats minimal, use reta and or telmisartan and maybe have nac and ssri of your choice.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

really? no other ancillares for my brain?? what about my cardiovascular health, preciate ur reply tho

Cardiovascular health telmisartan and retatrutide is most likely good enough.

I use only these with steroid doses similar to yours with perfect bloodpressure, rhr and extraordinary lipids even by natty standards.

For brain whats really driving damage is excitotoxicity, dopamine-seratonin imbalance, and oxidative stress.

Memantine + nac counters every single one these pathways with memantine blocking nmda, increasing seratonin, modifying neuroinflammation and nac dampening oxidative stress.

If sleep suffers try mirtazipine, trazodone or lemborexant if you can get ahold of it.

 

[itsover4rishy]

Your e2 will more than likely be in range with 150 test given that youre not on anything that lowers it.

If I were you id just stick to tren and test. Keep saturated fats minimal, use reta and or telmisartan and maybe have nac and ssri of your choice.

ssri? and really appreciate u replying to my thread, u gotta know what the fuck ur doing before u jump on roids, should i keep the test 150 and tren 50? or up too 100 tren, lmk

 

[itsover4rishy]

Your e2 will more than likely be in range with 150 test given that youre not on anything that lowers it.

If I were you id just stick to tren and test. Keep saturated fats minimal, use reta and or telmisartan and maybe have nac and ssri of your choice.

should i keep the halo??

 

[itsover4rishy]

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[itsover4rishy]

Cardiovascular health telmisartan and retatrutide is most likely good enough.

I use only these with steroid doses similar to yours with perfect bloodpressure, rhr and extraordinary lipids even by natty standards.

For brain whats really driving damage is excitotoxicity, dopamine-seratonin imbalance, and oxidative stress.

Memantine + nac counters every single one these pathways with memantine blocking nmda, increasing seratonin, modifying neuroinflammation and nac dampening oxidative stress.

If sleep suffers try mirtazipine, trazodone or lemborexant if you can get ahold of it.

and is TEST E the meta, for 150mgs, or should i run TEST p?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

ssri? and really appreciate u replying to my thread, u gotta know what the fuck ur doing before u jump on roids, should i keep the test 150 and tren 50? or up too 100 tren, lmk

Always start with lower doses and see how you respond.

Ssris are seratonin reuptake inhibitors. Aka antidepressants. Fluoxetine and memantine are both in this category of drug

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

and is TEST E the meta, for 150mgs, or should i run TEST p?

Whichever ester you prefer. Theyre all the same, only difference is half life really, it doesnt matter

 

[kdev]

my main plan is too run 50-100mgs tren, 100-150mgs TEST E, 5 halo and 8-12 gh, some people are saying that halo is overrated and the cortisol isnt worth it, but bc of trens insanely toxic sides, im jst curious on what ancillares to run for the brain and heart, i have the liver sorted with nac, tudca, red rice, milk thilstle etc, but for the brain im planning on doing

Modafinil ( highest mg )
Donepezil ( highest mg )
Fluoxetine ( highest mg )
Memantine ( highest mg )
Selegiline ( highest mg )
Piracetam ( highest mg )
some say cerebroylsin is overrated but im not sure, any actual advice would be appreciated, wether its about the cycle or the ancillares, lmk.

This cycle is overkill and high-risk as fuck for a 15-year-old.

 

[itsover4rishy]

This cycle is overkill and high-risk as fuck for a 15-year-old.

what would u reccomend then

 

[itsover4rishy]

Always start with lower doses and see how you respond.

Ssris are seratonin reuptake inhibitors. Aka antidepressants. Fluoxetine and memantine are both in this category of drug

is fluoxetine necessary with mematine or not?

 

[kdev]

what would u reccomend then

At your age you can make crazy gains naturally with good training, food, and sleep. If you really want to run something later, basic TRT-level test is more than enough.

 

[itsover4rishy]

At your age you can make crazy gains naturally with good training, food, and sleep. If you really want to run something later, basic TRT-level test is more than enough.

im mainly doing it for craniofacial growth and dimorphism tbh, physique comes with

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

is fluoxetine necessary with mematine or not?

Redundant. Not much point in stacking two drugs doing basicly the exact same thing.

Keep things simple

 

[itsover4rishy]

Redundant. Not much point in stacking two drugs doing basicly the exact same thing.

Keep things simple

can u still do sports on roids with the cardiovascular affects because i play football, heard u can but just want your input, also how long do u think i should run this cycle for? and should i cruise after im done with my main cycle or pct, or would u consider this crusing?? because surely i cant do tren for ages, even with it being a microdose, and are there any protocalls i can make on cycle to make my pct eventually easier, heard someone say the younger u start the easier it bouces back, but idk if this is cope, if u could answer all my questions would be heavily appreciated.

 

[kdev]

im mainly doing it for craniofacial growth and dimorphism tbh, physique comes with

Bro, if your main goal is max craniofacial growth and dimorphism at 15, running tren + halo is still a terrible idea. Tren is highly neurotoxic and can fuck up your brain development and natural hormone production long-term. At your age you can make insane facial and physique progress naturally with good training, food, sleep, and time. Low test + GH is already plenty aggressive if you really want to run something. Drop the tren and halo completely smh the risks to your brain and heart aren’t worth it Also get bloodwork first if you do anything.

 

[itsover4rishy]

Bro, if your main goal is max craniofacial growth and dimorphism at 15, running tren + halo is still a terrible idea. Tren is highly neurotoxic and can fuck up your brain development and natural hormone production long-term. At your age you can make insane facial and physique progress naturally with good training, food, sleep, and time. Low test + GH is already plenty aggressive if you really want to run something. Drop the tren and halo completely smh the risks to your brain and heart aren’t worth it Also get bloodwork first if you do anything.

are you on any other pharmaceuticals, u sound like ur a ai with these replies, even if u do mean good to my health, i understand the risks, but real ascension requires risk

 

[kdev]

are you on any other pharmaceuticals, u sound like ur a ai with these replies, even if u do mean good to my health, i understand the risks, but real ascension requires risk

i just dont want to be a fucktard recommending 15 year olds to take tren nigga thats so dumb

 

[itsover4rishy]

i just dont want to be a fucktard recommending 15 year olds to take tren nigga thats so dumb

how old r u if u dont mind me asking

 

[kdev]

how old r u if u dont mind me asking

im 16 but i have finished growing fully and am rated mhtn facially

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

can u still do sports on roids with the cardiovascular affects because i play football, heard u can but just want your input,

Dont run high doses of gear if you wanna keep endurance.
I my cardio takes a massive hit on blast and i get crazy calf pumps and shin splints

also how long do u think i should run this cycle for? and should i cruise after im done with my main cycle or pct, or would u consider this crusing?? because surely i cant do tren for ages, even with it being a microdose,

You could run that dose of anabolics year around without issue. But ive save tren for cuts.

Not much point risking long term neurological changes running tren year around when just testosterone can achieve the exact same thing when it comes to actually building lean tissue

and are there any protocalls i can make on cycle to make my pct eventually easier, heard someone say the younger u start the easier it bouces back, but idk if this is cope, if u could answer all my questions would be heavily appreciated.

Not the right person to ask here. I know and care basicly nothing about pct. Im a fag so my balls are literally useless

Tren will shut you the fuck down though more than basicly anything else

 

[itsover4rishy]

Dont run high doses of gear if you wanna keep endurance.
I my cardio takes a massive hit on blast and i get crazy calf pumps and shin splints

You could run that dose of anabolics year around without issue. But ive save tren for cuts.

Not much point risking long term neurological changes running tren year around when just testosterone can achieve the exact same thing when it comes to actually building lean tissue

Not the right person to ask here. I know and care basicly nothing about pct. Im a fag so my balls are literally useless

Tren will shut you the fuck down though more than basicly anything else

so only save the tren for cutting?? but im already lean, should i run the 150mg test all year round then or?? and should i keep the halo or not, and should i only run the telmisartan and mematine and other main ancillaries only on tren? or which should i take on test? and also how long should i be running tren for?? 8 weeks?? lmk

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

so only save the tren for cutting?? but im already lean, should i run the 150mg test all year round then or??

If you wanna gain muscle, youre gonna gain fat. If youre gonna gain fat youll wanna lose it.
Tren will help with that

and should i keep the halo or not,

Non competitors have no buisness running orals imo. They only serve purpose for "peaking" for a specific day/event and nothing else really.
Too toxic to justify any other use

and should i only run the telmisartan and mematine

Telmisartan year around. Its a no brainer on roids. Improves basicly everything.

Memantine is just not very needed if im honest. Do your own research. It serves a purpose but i just dont know if its necessary to add an extra drug

and other main ancillaries only on tren? or which should i take on test? and also how long should i be running tren for?? 8 weeks?? lmk

Use it for as long as youre trying to lose weight

 

[itsover4rishy]

If you wanna gain muscle, youre gonna gain fat. If youre gonna gain fat youll wanna lose it.
Tren will help with that

Non competitors have no buisness running orals imo. They only serve purpose for "peaking" for a specific day/event and nothing else really.
Too toxic to justify any other use

Telmisartan year around. Its a no brainer on roids. Improves basicly everything.

Memantine is just not very needed if im honest. Do your own research. It serves a purpose but i just dont know if its necessary to add an extra drug

Use it for as long as youre trying to lose weight

got you, keep in touch with my threads bc ur high iq and i appreciate ur advice heavy, tysm brother have a gooden, if it think of any more questions ill reply to this.

 

[itsover4rishy]

If you wanna gain muscle, youre gonna gain fat. If youre gonna gain fat youll wanna lose it.
Tren will help with that

Non competitors have no buisness running orals imo. They only serve purpose for "peaking" for a specific day/event and nothing else really.
Too toxic to justify any other use

Telmisartan year around. Its a no brainer on roids. Improves basicly everything.

Memantine is just not very needed if im honest. Do your own research. It serves a purpose but i just dont know if its necessary to add an extra drug

Use it for as long as youre trying to lose weight

also when im starting on 150mgs test e, do i need a ai incase? which would u say is better at 15, aromasin or arimidex or others, and what doses would u say is good on 150mgs test, also would u use Ezetimibe on test or jst tren?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

also when im starting on 150mgs test e, do i need a ai incase? which would u say is better at 15, aromasin or arimidex or others,

Completely unnecessary at that dose unless youre a fatass

and what doses would u say is good on 150mgs test, also would u use Ezetimibe on test or jst tren?

Youre using low doses of injectable anabolics. The lipid hit is probably minimal and lipid skew is something that builds over very long time. Dont like the idea of adding more drugs when you can keep things simple.

I personally don't need any direct cholesterol lowering medications and keep my ldl + apob even below the reference range just eating a good diet and running microdosed retatrutide

 

[itsover4rishy]

Completely unnecessary at that dose unless youre a fatass

Youre using low doses of injectable anabolics. The lipid hit is probably minimal and lipid skew is something that builds over very long time. Dont like the idea of adding more drugs when you can keep things simple.

I personally don't need any direct cholesterol lowering medications and keep my ldl + apob even below the reference range just eating a good diet and running microdosed retatrutide
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when u say i should use reta, what would u consider a microdose? and is this only necessary on tren?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

when u say i should use reta, what would u consider a microdose? and is this only necessary on tren?

1-2mg/week in a bulk and 7mg in a cut is what I do and the effect it has on my blood work is nothing short of phenomenal.

It's not "necessary" on anything and has no special effect with tren. Imo it's just a year around thing because it improves health in basically every metric and will also make cutting 10x easier

 

[itsover4rishy]

1-2mg/week in a bulk and 7mg in a cut is what I do and the effect it has on my blood work is nothing short of phenomenal.

It's not "necessary" on anything and has no special effect with tren. Imo it's just a year around thing because it improves health in basically every metric and will also make cutting 10x easier

how much kpv and bpc should i order if im planning to run a long cycle, and how much telmisartan??

 

[itsover4rishy]

1-2mg/week in a bulk and 7mg in a cut is what I do and the effect it has on my blood work is nothing short of phenomenal.

It's not "necessary" on anything and has no special effect with tren. Imo it's just a year around thing because it improves health in basically every metric and will also make cutting 10x easier

also is nac and tudca neccasary on jst test and gh? or should it only be used on tren

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

how much kpv and bpc should i order if im planning to run a long cycle, and how much telmisartan??

You don't need that kpv and bpc stuff unless you're injured or dealing with chronic inflammation.
Just use 40mg telmisartan

also is nac and tudca neccasary on jst test and gh? or should it only be used on tren

I think nac is worth it because it's dirt cheap and pretty mechanistically clean. Tudca does have merit, but I doubt it's necessary without orals.

Tren is not as toxic as what you're making it out to be. If you're only using it for cuts at low doses in short duration I wouldn't sweat it.

 

[itsover4rishy]

You don't need that kpv and bpc stuff unless you're injured or dealing with chronic inflammation.
Just use 40mg telmisartan

I think nac is worth it because it's dirt cheap and pretty mechanistically clean. Tudca does have merit, but I doubt it's necessary without orals.

Tren is not as toxic as what you're making it out to be. If you're only using it for cuts at low doses in short duration I wouldn't sweat it.

really?? and also what dose test should i run if i respond good to 150, should i up it too 250 or 200? and at what point do i need a ai, which ai do u reccomend in puberty?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

really?? and also what dose test should i run if i respond good to 150, should i up it too 250 or 200? and at what point do i need a ai, which ai do u reccomend in puberty?

I'm not very knowledgeable on estrogen management.
I also forgot that you're still growing, so estrogen management may actually be a concern.

I say aromasin as a kneejerk reaction because it milder than the rest, doesn't cause estrogen rebound if you forget to dose and has the least likelihood of crossing the blood brain barrier

 

[itsover4rishy]

really???? someone else told me that aromasin DOES cross the BBB and arimidex is better, are they lying? and what dose test until i need a ai??

I'm not very knowledgeable on estrogen management.
I also forgot that you're still growing, so estrogen management may actually be a concern.

I say aromasin as a kneejerk reaction because it milder than the rest, doesn't cause estrogen rebound if you forget to dose and has the least likelihood of crossing the blood brain barrier

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

really???? someone else told me that aromasin DOES cross the BBB and arimidex is better, are they lying? and what dose test until i need a ai??

Dude idk. Its just what I've heard

I know fuckall about estrogen management.
If you wanna dial in your E2 you get bloodwork done

 

[itsover4rishy]

Dude idk. Its just what I've heard

I know fuckall about estrogen management.
If you wanna dial in your E2 you get bloodwork done

its fine brah, youve already helped sm, can u give me a base list of ancillaries needed on tren, also how long to run them for and jst the ones needed for JUST tren and not test, if you could do this id appreciate it sm

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

its fine brah, youve already helped sm, can u give me a base list of ancillaries needed on tren, also how long to run them for and jst the ones needed for JUST tren and not test, if you could do this id appreciate it sm

What you're really gonna need on tren is a sleep aid.
That shit fucks your nights up like nothing else

So
Memantine for neurological health (borderline unnecessary)
And a sleep aid (I like mirtazapine)

Other than that youre unlikely to need anything special. It hits your body the same exact way every other steroid does. That being lipid skew, oxidative stress, blood pressure, blood thickness, heart remodeling and androgenic sides like hairloss + acne.

Everyone responds differently. Try running the acetate ester so you can back off quick if you run in to problems. Manage dose and ancillaries accordingly to whichever side effects you're getting

I can't help you more than so. You'll know your body better than what I can predict after actually using the compound

 

[itsover4rishy]

tysm follow me brother, so we can keep in touch

What you're really gonna need on tren is a sleep aid.
That shit fucks your nights up like nothing else

So
Memantine for neurological health (borderline unnecessary)
And a sleep aid (I like mirtazapine)

Other than that youre unlikely to need anything special. It hits your body the same exact way every other steroid does. That being lipid skew, oxidative stress, blood pressure, blood thickness, heart remodeling and androgenic sides like hairloss + acne.

Everyone responds differently. Try running the acetate ester so you can back off quick if you run in to problems. Manage dose and ancillaries accordingly to whichever side effects you're getting

I can't help you more than so. You'll know your body better than what I can predict after actually using the compound

 

[guts000]

At your age you can make crazy gains naturally with good training, food, and sleep. If you really want to run something later, basic TRT-level test is more than enough.

what else would he use for androgenic effects.he cant use high test bc that will fuck with his growth plates beyond e2.also basic trt levels aint gonna do nothing.i would say remove either tren or halo bc both is way to toxic to do both.i would remove tren and basicly use halo as androgenic effect with basic trt

 

[kdev]

what else would he use for androgenic effects.he cant use high test bc that will fuck with his growth plates beyond e2.also basic trt levels aint gonna do nothing.i would say remove either tren or halo bc both is way to toxic to do both.i would remove tren and basicly use halo as androgenic effect with basic trt

yea fair enough