What are these bones on richard ramirez face?

[Deleted member 20228]

Are these cheekbones under his eyes that gave him a hollow cheek look coz his jaw ain't wide enough to do that.

 

[NOTHING]

I think they zygo bones have good bone density.

 

[Deleted member 19371]

View attachment 1797795Are these cheekbones under his eyes that gave him a hollow cheek look coz his jaw ain't wide enough to do that.

They’re called mogbones

 

[Agendum]

View attachment 1797795Are these cheekbones under his eyes that gave him a hollow cheek look coz his jaw ain't wide enough to do that.

Let me explain my theory with an image.

Basically its not necessarily bone mass but orientation and rotation.

Rotation of the zygo +eye sockets give a facelift for the midface.

Problem for most people is that your cranium is the limiting factor for this rotation. Suboptimal cranial growth restricts the optimal dimension for growth, even pressing the face downwards along with the zygos so skin is more saggy (looking like bloating.)

 

[poehavshy]

Let me explain my theory with an image.

Basically its not necessarily bone mass but orientation and rotation.

Rotation of the zygo +eye sockets give a facelift for the midface.

Problem for most people is that your cranium is the limiting factor for this rotation. Suboptimal cranial growth restricts the optimal dimension for growth, even pressing the face downwards along with the zygos so skin is more saggy (looking like bloating.)

that's how it works

 

[Deleted member 20228]

Let me explain my theory with an image.

Basically its not necessarily bone mass but orientation and rotation.

Rotation of the zygo +eye sockets give a facelift for the midface.

Problem for most people is that your cranium is the limiting factor for this rotation. Suboptimal cranial growth restricts the optimal dimension for growth, even pressing the face downwards along with the zygos so skin is more saggy (looking like bloating.)

is it possible to achieve this sort of bone orientation with bonesmashing?

 

[szolliontaraelis]

is it possible to achieve this sort of bone orientation with bonesmashing?

not from a retard

 

[Deleted member 20228]

not from a retard

you calling yourself a retard?

 

[Agendum]

is it possible to achieve this sort of bone orientation with bonesmashing?

Idk I think thumb pushing upwards over the course of years and correct posture but it would be long term autism. It's a whole network of bones that do bone support. This is even before considering whether your skull is brachycephalic or dolicephalic. No one really has a solution ATM.

 

[Deleted member 19642]

They’re called mogbones

 

[Deleted member 20228]

Idk I think thumb pushing upwards over the course of years and correct posture but it would be long term autism. It's a whole network of bones that do bone support. This is even before considering whether your skull is brachycephalic or dolicephalic. No one really has a solution ATM.

I can feel the bones, more like zygo bones on my face, but they aren't as promiment as his even though I'm low bf. If I bonesmash them and swell them, wouldn't that give me a hollow look as well?

 

[Agendum]

no, bonesmashing misses the point of why they arent predominant.

 

[Deleted member 20228]

no, bonesmashing misses the point of why they arent predominant.

wdym? explain?

 

[mvp2v1]

View attachment 1797795Are these cheekbones under his eyes that gave him a hollow cheek look coz his jaw ain't wide enough to do that.

low body fat, but also look at his orbicularis muscle (around the lips) its completely hypotrophied (opposite of hypertrophied) signifies he has the proper chewing pattern thus his buccinators are also hypo'ed

 

[Deleted member 20228]

low body fat, but also look at his orbicularis muscle (around the lips) its completely hypotrophied (opposite of hypertrophied) signifies he has the proper chewing pattern thus his buccinators are also hypo'ed

some sort of zygo bones are popping out of his face as seen under his eyes, that gives him a hollow cheek look even when he is not clenching or trying hard. Are those orbital muscles?

 

[ChristianChad]

Let me explain my theory with an image.

Basically its not necessarily bone mass but orientation and rotation.

Rotation of the zygo +eye sockets give a facelift for the midface.

Problem for most people is that your cranium is the limiting factor for this rotation. Suboptimal cranial growth restricts the optimal dimension for growth, even pressing the face downwards along with the zygos so skin is more saggy (looking like bloating.)

Interesting.

Do you know of any ways of mimicking proper position and rotation of the zygomaticomaxillary complex

 

[Deleted member]

View attachment 1797795Are these cheekbones under his eyes that gave him a hollow cheek look coz his jaw ain't wide enough to do that.

jaw is ideal

 

[ChristianChad]

some sort of zygo bones are popping out of his face as seen under his eyes, that gives him a hollow cheek look even when he is not clenching or trying hard. Are those orbital muscles?

Infraorbitals/infraorbital foramen?

"A parallel longitudinal line to the midsagittal plane from (A) the superior border of infraorbital foramen (IOF) to the maxillary alveolar ridge and (B) from the superior border of the IOF to the infraorbital margin (IOM)."

 

[Deleted member]

Over for non positive orbital vector cels

Infraorbitals/infraorbital foramen? View attachment 1819790View attachment 1819805

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"A parallel longitudinal line to the midsagittal plane from (A) the superior border of infraorbital foramen (IOF) to the maxillary alveolar ridge and (B) from the superior border of the IOF to the infraorbital margin (IOM)."

 

[ChristianChad]

that gives him a hollow cheek look even when he is not clenching or trying hard.

There's a lot that can factor hollow cheeks. If you are trying to find what specifically I can tell you its not just one bone, it's from proper Skeletal development and low facial edema/water retention and body fat.
Also people properly facially developed who don't have hollow cheeks in most conditions
Lots of factors man

 

[ChristianChad]

Over for non positive orbital vector cels

Not really just get implant, fillers

 

[fruitgunpop]

Infraorbitals/infraorbital foramen? View attachment 1819790View attachment 1819805

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"A parallel longitudinal line to the midsagittal plane from (A) the superior border of infraorbital foramen (IOF) to the maxillary alveolar ridge and (B) from the superior border of the IOF to the infraorbital margin (IOM)."

What about O'pry then?
He has negative orbital vectors
I think it has little to do with the infras

 

[Deleted member 20228]

What about O'pry then?
He has negative orbital vectors
I think it has little to do with the infras
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Opry isn't distinctly attractive if you see his facial harmony. Inward gonions, face looks small, imperfect lower third, but his eye area compensates for it and gives him a model look. His nose is not ideal but goes with his harmony

 

[fruitgunpop]

Opry isn't distinctly attractive if you see his facial harmony. Inward gonions, face looks small, imperfect lower third, but his eye area compensates for it and gives him a model look. His nose is not ideal but goes with his harmony

He has incredible facial harmony wdym?
His lower third height is okay, ES ratio, facial width to height ratio etc.
Yeah few of his features are somewhat less ideal. But it all blends well and creates very good facial harmony
There's no way this face is unharmonious

 

[ChristianChad]

What about O'pry then?
He has negative orbital vectors
I think it has little to do with the infras
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If be had negative orbital vector it would be seen in candid shots
It's just the lighting. Opry has top tier craniofacial structure for eye area I'd be surprised if he has recessed infras

 

[fruitgunpop]

If be had negative orbital vector it would be seen in candid shots
It's just the lighting. Opry has top tier craniofacial structure for eye area I'd be surprised if he has recessed infras

He do have bad infras. Hence why his lower lids are rounded when not doing a slight squint.

Here are photos of him in diff lighting.
He has negative orbital vector

 

[ChristianChad]

He do have bad infras. Hence why his lower lids are rounded when not doing a slight squint.
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Here are photos of him in diff lighting.
He has negative orbital vector
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Interesting..

 

[Agendum]

Interesting.

Do you know of any ways of mimicking proper position and rotation of the zygomaticomaxillary complex

expanding the ethmoid gives lateral bone support for upswinging of the zygos hypothetically. The temporal hollowness is what makes the skin on the lateral side of the eyes sag. I would think that a temple implant would just barely mimic the increased surface area that rotated zygomax complex gives.

 

[Deleted member 15854]

low body fat, but also look at his orbicularis muscle (around the lips) its completely hypotrophied (opposite of hypertrophied) signifies he has the proper chewing pattern thus his buccinators are also hypo'ed

could lip seal, suctioning teeth onto lips hypertrophy this area?

 

[horizontallytall]

What about O'pry then?
He has negative orbital vectors
I think it has little to do with the infras
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Dont trust edited pics that much. Also in a lot walks they use such make up and contouring

 

[mvp2v1]

that's how it works

do you have the study this is from?

 

[Pei]

that's how it works

Not even Barrett has right skull

 

[Pei]

is it possible to achieve this sort of bone orientation with bonesmashing?

No cranial base genetic

 

[TheCelWhsiperer]

could lip seal, suctioning teeth onto lips hypertrophy this area?

yeah if u want crooked teeth