what can i do about being recessed and having a short ramus?

[ota.27]

I'm still young and my bones might change but I'd like to know if there's anything I can do??

 

[Bryce]

I'm still young and my bones might change

No they won't

I'd like to know if there's anything I can do??

Surgery

 

[ota.27]

No they won't

Surgery

I believe they will, but what surgery?

 

[Zeekie]

- Sleep, manage stress, exercise.

However, since you're young the biggest changes you can do to improve this are fixing your oral habits and diet:
- Learn how to breath, posture, swallow and place your tongue in the roof of your mouth (mEwiGN brO). Cope past the age of 16, but you still have a few years of wiggle room, if you have any allergies get them fixed, take your time chewing and properly swallow your food, do not mouth breath under any circumstances, and ideally you'd use nasal strips and micropore tape at night.

- Your diet is also particularly important here according to the findings of multiple researchers on the field of maxillofacial development (namely Weston A. Price, a dentist), diet is a massive factor in one's development, not only in terms of nutrition, but also in terms of toughness. Eat hard foods, specially meats (like flank) for example. The scientific literature also backs up this idea, with tougher diets correlating with a longer ramus and subsequently stronger bite forces (the leading theory is that tough diets -> longer ramus -> stronger diet -> adaptation for a tough diet). Again, this is only hugely relevant when you're younger.

Mind you, however, this is more of a "might help", it's not guaranteed, and by the time you finish puberty you may need surgical correction for this.

You have time, but if you don't actually create a protocol and make sure to implement these, you will not fix your issue.

 

[estebanhemmer]

I'm still young and my bones might change but I'd like to know if there's anything I can do??

you mean softmaxxing or hardmaxxing

 

[Zeekie]

- Sleep, manage stress, exercise.

However, since you're young the biggest changes you can do to improve this are fixing your oral habits and diet:
- Learn how to breath, posture, swallow and place your tongue in the roof of your mouth (mEwiGN brO). Cope past the age of 16, but you still have a few years of wiggle room, if you have any allergies get them fixed, take your time chewing and properly swallow your food, do not mouth breath under any circumstances, and ideally you'd use nasal strips and micropore tape at night.

- Your diet is also particularly important here according to the findings of multiple researchers on the field of maxillofacial development (namely Weston A. Price, a dentist), diet is a massive factor in one's development, not only in terms of nutrition, but also in terms of toughness. Eat hard foods, specially meats (like flank) for example. The scientific literature also backs up this idea, with tougher diets correlating with a longer ramus and subsequently stronger bite forces (the leading theory is that tough diets -> longer ramus -> stronger diet -> adaptation for a tough diet). Again, this is only hugely relevant when you're younger.

Mind you, however, this is more of a "might help", it's not guaranteed, and by the time you finish puberty you may need surgical correction for this.

You have time, but if you don't actually create a protocol and make sure to implement these, you will not fix your issue.

I sadly couldn't find the exact study I was referencing, this one touches on similar themes and comes to the same conclusions but it's done on rats, I can find the study and relevant literature later if you care to read it.

Impact of Diet Consistency on the Mandibular Morphology: A Systematic Review of Studies on Rat Models - PMC

Apart from genetics, environmental factors, such as food consistency, may affect craniofacial morphology and development. The present systematic review aims to systematically investigate and appraise the available evidence regarding the effect of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Bryce]

I believe they will

They won't that's literally not how it works you don't just magically grow a ramus and become un-recessed with age if anything age will make your predicament worse

but what surgery?

Ortho + ramus implants if you want to cover the entire jaw, but for a quick and easy fix with your recession get a genio. Of course, you didn't provide pictures, so I can't accurately judge what you'd need

 

[pajjeetslayer]

No they won't

Surgery

ur 1 inspiring user to the Greys

 

[ota.27]

They won't that's literally not how it works you don't just magically grow a ramus and become un-recessed with age if anything age will make your predicament worse

Ortho + ramus implants if you want to cover the entire jaw, but for a quick and easy fix with your recession get a genio. Of course, you didn't provide pictures, so I can't accurately judge what you'd need

 

[ota.27]

I sadly couldn't find the exact study I was referencing, this one touches on similar themes and comes to the same conclusions but it's done on rats, I can find the study and relevant literature later if you care to read it.

Impact of Diet Consistency on the Mandibular Morphology: A Systematic Review of Studies on Rat Models - PMC

Apart from genetics, environmental factors, such as food consistency, may affect craniofacial morphology and development. The present systematic review aims to systematically investigate and appraise the available evidence regarding the effect of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Okay understood, so become more of a carnivore and take my time chewing, is gum cope or does it significantly help?

 

[Zeekie]

Okay understood, so become more of a carnivore and take my time chewing, is gum cope or does it significantly help?

I mean I didn't say become a carnivore... I mean you can but I don't believe that's the best option, but really do whatever you want as long as it's not a raw carnivore diet for the love of Christ.

Chewing gum can help, specially if it's something like mastic gum, just don't give yourself a TMJ issue and take rest days

 

[Node]

as long as it's not a raw carnivore diet for the love of Christ.

Boiii what u sai

 

[Zeekie]

Boiii what u sai

Yuh you heard me

 

[Node]

Yuh you heard me

 

[Zeekie]

Someone truly needs to stop Goatis and FaceIQ

 

[ota.27]

Someone truly needs to stop Goatis and FaceIQ

who are those people

 

[Zeekie]

who are those people

YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW OR ENGAGE WITH THEIR RHETORIC. Goatis is some raw primal diet advocate who landed himself in the ICU for eating a "diseased" animal, also there are some allegations that he stabbed a couple people and he went to a vegan celebration thingy to eat a raw animal's head.

FaceIQ is a YouTube who gives mostly solid advice on looksmaxxing, except when it comes to diet.

A carnivore diet is situationally fine, but it's not for everyone and definately not "ideal" for growth, but it's fine. However, it starts being a problem when you eat a raw carnivore diet, don't eat raw shit.

 

[laworg]

I'm still young and my bones might change but I'd like to know if there's anything I can do??

Bone structure is around 90% determined and done in ur 1st year btw theres no changeing it now man sorry surgery is the only way to change ur bone structure

 

[ota.27]

YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW OR ENGAGE WITH THEIR RHETORIC. Goatis is some raw primal diet advocate who landed himself in the ICU for eating a "diseased" animal, also there are some allegations that he stabbed a couple people and he went to a vegan celebration thingy to eat a raw animal's head.

FaceIQ is a YouTube who gives mostly solid advice on looksmaxxing, except when it comes to diet.

A carnivore diet is situationally fine, but it's not for everyone and definately not "ideal" for growth, but it's fine. However, it starts being a problem when you eat a raw carnivore diet, don't eat raw shit.

I'm surprised these people havent died from disease because of the raw food

 

[ota.27]

Bone structure is around 90% determined and done in ur 1st year btw theres no changeing it now man sorry surgery is the only way to change ur bone structure

brutal

 

[Bryce]

I'm surprised these people havent died from disease because of the raw food

If the animal isn't sick then there's nothing to get sick from, people get sick and die from eating raw stuff because they get it from a grocery store. If the animal is raised on a grass fed farm with no obstructions or chemicals in what they're eating then there is 0 possibility of contracting a disease. It gets far riskier when you start consuming organs, fats, and blood, as those are more prone to contamination