what carbs don’t bloat you

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[chudlite]

i think its something to do with like simple and complex carbs or something

inquire with the great mind @NZb6Air

 

[PrimalPlasty]

every single one does, its in the fucking name, how is one carboHYDRATE different then another?

 

[appealmaxed]

every single one does, its in the fucking name, how is one carboHYDRATE different then another?

this is what i think also, which is why i do carnivore, but some say it doesn’t.

 

[PrimalPlasty]

this is what i think also, which is why i do carnivore, but some say it doesn’t.

i can just tell you from my and many peoples own expierience it really does, and its not big science carbs hold on water, thats why youre 5lbs lighter with less water weight when starting carnivore, gl

 

[PrimalPlasty]

@Never Get Up

 

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Dry carbs dont bloat because they dont contain water.


This is the main principle behind carbing up for bodybuilding. Eating 15k worth of calories to pump up muscles with glycogen while retaining 0 water.

 

[Never Get Up]

i think its something to do with like simple and complex carbs or something

inquire with the great mind @NZb6Air

@NZb6Air doesn’t know anything about human nutrition.

There’s no such thing as simple and complex carbohydrates. They all break down into glucose except for fructose.

 

[Never Get Up]

this is what i think also, which is why i do carnivore, but some say it doesn’t.

Because those people are retarded.

 

[Never Get Up]

Dry carbs dont bloat because they dont contain water.


This is the main principle behind carbing up for bodybuilding. Eating 15k worth of calories to pump up muscles with glycogen while retaining 0 water.

Calories are units of heat energy. You can’t eat heat.

 

[Deleted member 85949]

carb are the poison of the human body i think under 50g your good tho

 

[chudlite]

Calories are units of heat energy. You can’t eat heat.

your body uses them to turn into heat, how is it not the same thing

 

[Never Get Up]

your body uses them to turn into heat, how is it not the same thing

False. Your body doesn’t absorb heat energy for metabolic purposes. It absorbs the mass from the food.

Heat energy has no mass.

 

[Never Get Up]

carb are the poison of the human body i think under 50g your good tho

Under 5g*

 

[chudlite]

False. Your body doesn’t absorb heat energy for metabolic purposes. It absorbs the mass from the food.

Heat energy has no mass.

absorbs mass? you shit out mass too

 

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Calories are units of heat energy. You can’t eat heat.

This nigga so retarded

 

[appealmaxed]

This nigga so retarded

i do agree that calories to matter and that statement is retarded. but with regards to carbs, i also do believe they cause bloating.

 

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i do agree that calories to matter. but with regards to carbs, i also do believe they cause bloating.

Dry carbs dont

 

[MA_ascender]

@NZb6Air doesn’t know anything about human nutrition.

There’s no such thing as simple and complex carbohydrates. They all break down into glucose except for fructose.

whys fructose bad if the glycemic index is pretty low

 

[appealmaxed]

Dry carbs dont

what are some examples of dry carbs?
all i see on google is chips and cereal and rice cakes and cookies

 

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i do agree that calories to matter and that statement is retarded. but with regards to carbs, i also do believe they cause bloating.

NObody said otherewise

 

[noahwillascend]

Nothing just eat fruit if u want carbs

 

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what are some examples of dry carbs?
all i see on google is chips and cereal and rice cakes and cookies

Yeah those are dry carbs





This what every single bodybuilder does before a show, theyre extremely glycogen depleted and dry from no sodium intake. But to make muscles seem full they need to eat dry carbs to fill muscles wkth glycogen, wet carbs make u spill over (bloated) so they only eat dry carbs.

Depending on the bb they can eat from 5-20k cals to fill up pre show with basically no fat gain and no bloating.

 

[appealmaxed]

Yeah those are dry carbs





This what every single bodybuilder does before a show, theyre extremely glycogen depleted and dry from no sodium intake. But to make muscles seem full they need to eat dry carbs to fill muscles wkth glycogen, wet carbs make u spill over (bloated) so they only eat dry carbs.

Depending on the bb they can eat from 5-20k cals to fill up pre show with basically no fat gain and no bloating.

yeah i knew that body builders use carbs before a show to get glycogen into the muscle to look bigger. dry carbs however is new to me. so anything from rice cakes, to rice crispy, to cookies i should be able to eat without any bloat at all? what makes it a “dry carb” so i’m able to differentiate between them? i am on a cut on decently low cals and look much smaller due to carb depletion, if i could add some carbs without gaining any bloat facially i absolutely would, but when i was eating carbs like rice, veg, potatoes i was bloated asf. maybe cos they are wet carbs

 

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yeah i knew that body builders use carbs before a show to get glycogen into the muscle to look bigger. dry carbs however is new to me. so anything from rice cakes, to rice crispy, to cookies i should be able to eat without any bloat at all? what makes it a “dry carb” so i’m able to differentiate between them? i am on a cut on decently low cals and look much smaller due to carb depletion, if i could add some carbs without gaining any bloat facially i absolutely would, but when i was eating carbs like rice, veg, potatoes i was bloated asf. maybe cos they are wet carbs

water content determines if theyre dry or not. Fruits bad, dried fruits good.

Also just control sodium intake and take more magnesium then bloat will subside.

 

[appealmaxed]

Also just control sodium intake and take more magnesium then bloat will subside.

along with dry carbs only also?

i’ve had a bag of rice cakes and rice krispy and maryland cookies that i’ve been wanting to eat for ages on my cut, but haven’t cos i was afraid of bloat. i’ll see if they bloat me up, hopefully not since they are dry.

 

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along with dry carbs only also?

i’ve had a bag of rice cakes and rice krispy and maryland cookies that i’ve been wanting to eat for ages on my cut, but haven’t cos i was afraid of bloat. i’ll see if they bloat me up, hopefully not since they are dry.

My nigga dont eat rice cakes everyday are you 12?

Up to you, sodium is usually enough to control bloating. If ur cutting then ur carb intake shouldnt be high enough to cause bloating anyways

 

[appealmaxed]

My nigga dont eat rice cakes everyday are you 12?

Up to you, sodium is usually enough to control bloating. If ur cutting then ur carb intake shouldnt be high enough to cause bloating anyways

yeah they are pretty low carbs rn. is the carb overflow only with wet carbs, or also happened when you are in a caloric surplus ?

 

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yeah they are pretty low carbs rn. is the carb overflow only with wet carbs, or also happened when you are in a caloric surplus ?

Wdym carb overflow?

 

[appealmaxed]

Wdym carb overflow?

or spill over my bad.


also can i ask why bodybuilders decide to deplete while prepping then increase carb last minute? is it just to get cals low on prep?

 

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or spill over my bad.


also can i ask why bodybuilders decide to deplete while prepping then increase carb last minute? is it just to get cals low on prep?

No spill is when u suddenly increase carbs/sodium and insta bloat.

Because you have to keep cals low, you dont need any carbs at all during prep so they eat very little, and keeping protein high mostly for satiety and also to retain as much muscle as possible. Fat is atleast like 40g for sustained cuts to not perma tank t levels to castration levels.



Me personally? I do 800 cal cuts with like 120g of protein for 20 days and lose 9kgs because nothing truly matters in the long run.

 

[appealmaxed]

No spill is when u suddenly increase carbs/sodium and insta bloat.

so it’s not only the fact of if the carbs are wet or dry but also how many is consumed at once?
so if you were on low/no carbs (just fat and protein basically) and then suddenly change macros to have sufficient protein and fat and the rest carbs in a deficit, and you get these carbs from dry sources only you would still get bloated? or not?

 

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so it’s not only the fact of if the carbs are wet or dry but also how many is consumed at once?
so if you were on low/no carbs (just fat and protein basically) and then suddenly change macros to have sufficient protein and fat and the rest carbs in a deficit, and you get these carbs from dry sources only you would still get bloated? or not?

Not at once neccesarily but yes one meal of 400g of carbs will bloat u. 400g in a day after 0g will also bloat u.

No you probably wouldnt get bloated unless ur protein sources are bloating sources like milk etc.

Its all wet vs dry and sodium

 

[appealmaxed]

Not at once neccesarily but yes one meal of 400g of carbs will bloat u. 400g in a day after 0g will also bloat u.

No you probably wouldnt get bloated unless ur protein sources are bloating sources like milk etc.

Its all wet vs dry and sodium

got it thanks for help i’ll give it a shot.

so i was on 0 carb basically and now ill increase my carb intake to around 200g which i’ll get from dry sources only. i should expect to bloat initially. any idea when the facial bloat should subside and am able to eat this amount of carbs from dry and have no facial bloat?

also regarding magnesium, i supplement it at night, is that enough?

 

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got it thanks for help i’ll give it a shot.

so i was on 0 carb basically and now ill increase my carb intake to around 200g which i’ll get from dry sources only. i should expect to bloat initially. any idea when the facial bloat should subside and am able to eat this amount of carbs from dry and have no facial bloat?

also regarding magnesium, i supplement it at night, is that enough?

Why 200g? I think ur just random things atm without understanding why, whats ur weight, tdee, goal, bf% and macros atm?

 

[appealmaxed]

Why 200g? I think ur just random things atm without understanding why, whats ur weight, tdee, goal, bf% and macros atm?

my current caloreis per day is between 1500-1800, closer to 1800 since i do an hour or so of cardio daily as well as 15k steps daily on top of that as well as weightlifting. my lifts are still progressing in my deficit which im happy about. my macros that i’ve calculated are 135g protein per day, 202g carbs and 50g fat. i’m around 14% bf id say rn, tryna get to 10-12%.

although i do go to the gym, body fat and having most lean face i can have is my main priority, which is why im talking about carbs and wether they bloat face here. i feel like there is a trade of between having no bloat and looking depleted, or looking bigger cos of glycogen and bloated in face. i’d much rather look depleted in muscles and have a much leaner looking face, than the opposite. but dry carbs your saying would allow glycogen in muscle (and more enjoyable eating cos carbs taste good asf) without causing bloat because it doesn’t contain water

 

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my current caloreis per day is between 1500-1800, closer to 1800 since i do an hour or so of cardio daily as well as 15k steps daily on top of that as well as weightlifting. my lifts are still progressing in my deficit which im happy about. my macros that i’ve calculated are 135g protein per day, 202g carbs and 50g fat. i’m around 14% bf id say rn, tryna get to 10-12%.

although i do go to the gym, body fat and having most lean face i can have is my main priority, which is why im talking about carbs and wether they bloat face here. i feel like there is a trade of between having no bloat and looking depleted, or looking bigger cos of glycogen and bloated in face. i’d much rather look depleted in muscles and have a much leaner looking face, than the opposite. but dry carbs your saying would allow glycogen in muscle (and more enjoyable eating cos carbs taste good asf) without causing bloat because it doesn’t contain water

U dont need 200g in a cut. Eat more protein, like 150-250 and increase fats. 30-70g carbs 15-30min before working out. Atleast 400mg caffeine is also a must for performance.


If ur 14% and wanna go down to 10-12 then that should realistically need to lose around 8-16 pounds. U can do an extremely agressive cut of 1000 cal a day and be done with it in twee weeks, but it will be extremely hard.

 

[appealmaxed]

U dont need 200g in a cut. Eat more protein, like 150-250 and increase fats. 30-70g carbs 15-30min before working out. Atleast 400mg caffeine is also a must for performance.

yeah, maybe. reason why protein is a bit lower is because everyone that’s researched based says even 1g per lbs bodyweight is overkill for protein. 0.7-0.8 is enough even in a deficit, and tnf i remeber saying when talking about his aggressive mini cut says that 50-60g fats is enough to maintain good health and hormones etc. so i thought id do that then rest carbs.

Atleast 400mg caffeine is also a must for performance.

my performance isn’t suffering as of yet so i don’t think i need it yet.

If ur 14% and wanna go down to 10-12 then that should realistically need to lose around 8-16 pounds. U can do an extremely agressive cut of 1000 cal a day and be done with it in twee weeks, but it will be extremely hard.

yeah ik, i’ve dieted aggressively for long time before, even like 800 calories. this time i just cba to go through that pain again, which is why il take is slower so i can eat more, but ill compensate a bit with some cardio.


but as i said, no facial bloat is the most important thing for me.

i should expect to bloat initially. any idea when the facial bloat should subside and am able to eat this amount of carbs from dry and have no facial bloat?

 

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yeah, maybe. reason why protein is a bit lower is because everyone that’s researched based says even 1g per lbs bodyweight is overkill for protein. 0.7-0.8 is enough even in a deficit, and tnf i remeber saying when talking about his aggressive mini cut says that 50-60g fats is enough to maintain good health and hormones etc. so i thought id do that then rest carbs.

my performance isn’t different as of yet so i today think i need it yet.


yeah ik, i’ve dieted aggressively for long time before, even like 800 calories. this time i just cba to go through that pain again, which is why il take is slower so i can eat more, but ill compensate a bit with some cardio.


but as i said, no facial bloat is the most important thing for me.

Yes 0.8g per pound is all you need if ur natty, wether in bulk or cut for muscle building purposes, but increasing protein has literally 0 drawbacks and will make u satiated.




This guy is a authority on nutrition.


Also are you not taking caffeine? Thats straight up retarded.

Ye then keep doing what ur doing, mayb lower carbs increase protein, but at the end of the day it doesnt matter that much.

Btw what split are you running?

 

[appealmaxed]

Yes 0.8g per pound is all you need if ur natty, wether in bulk or cut for muscle building purposes, but increasing protein has literally 0 drawbacks and will make u satiated.




This guy is a authority on nutrition.


Also are you not taking caffeine? Thats straight up retarded.

Ye then keep doing what ur doing, mayb lower carbs increase protein, but at the end of the day it doesnt matter that much.

Btw what split are you running?

i’ll take your advice on board, i do have caffeine pills 200mg, i haven’t really used cos also you do become tolerant after consistent use and then i would’ve thought it provides no benefit, or you have to increase intake, which doesn’t seem possible after a certain point.

but at the end of the day it doesnt matter that much.

regarding wet carbs causing bloat and dry not causing bloat, what about water intake? like for a lean non bloated face all the time, should carbs be only from dry along with high water intake?

Btw what split are you running?

i just run PPL tbh

 

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i’ll take your advice on board, i do have caffeine pills 200mg, i haven’t really used cos also you do become tolerant after consistent use and then i would’ve thought it provides no benefit, or you have to increase intake, which doesn’t seem possible after a certain point.

regarding wet carbs causing bloat and dry not causing bloat, what about water intake? like for a lean non bloated face all the time, should carbs be only from dry along with high water intake?

i just run PPL tbh

Caffeine is by far the best supp in existence, tolerance is cope really. 400mg will always be legit no matter usage status. It provides a fuck ton of benefit, if ur truly training hard then having no caffeine is genuinely a retarded option.

I mean yeah i guess but dont limit water intake, mma fighters and bb do in prep but thats because theyre competing. Just drink when ur thirsty and youll be in homeostasis.


Ppl is cope



High freq seems to be the way to go according to science, we also have strong mechanistic reasoning as evidence which is only thing that matters when it comes to exercise science since its a complete and utter shitshow


Mass monsters like jordan peters have been talking about freq for a bit now:





It really took off when chris beardsley and paul carter (prob 2 of the best in the field) looked at the data and gave a comprehensive overview on why its better.


Tldr:


1 set every other day. Its not easy to understand but you will literally double to triple progression if u switch to UL/FB

If u have money to spend buy either of these and follow the instructions:

Optimal Dawgs: Training by Ryan Jewers in TrainHeroic

3 days per week Full Body training programming. This is for those who only want to train 3 days a week but still want lightning fast muscle gains.

marketplace.trainheroic.com

Yoke Buds: Training by Paul Carter in TrainHeroic

Daily hypertrophy and strength work that will take between 45-60 minutes to complete.

marketplace.trainheroic.com

2nd one is ran by a hormonal complete faggot whos not helpful, but he is the one who understand hypertrophy the most in this industry.


First one very good, they will answer any questions u have.

 

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Also yes magnesium at night is enuff. Alot of fags these days drink coconut water to magnesium flush but i think it tastes like shit and dont bother with it

 

[appealmaxed]

Caffeine is by far the best supp in existence, tolerance is cope really. 400mg will always be legit no matter usage status. It provides a fuck ton of benefit, if ur truly training hard then having no caffeine is genuinely a retarded option.

I mean yeah i guess but dont limit water intake, mma fighters and bb do in prep but thats because theyre competing. Just drink when ur thirsty and youll be in homeostasis.


Ppl is cope



High freq seems to be the way to go according to science, we also have strong mechanistic reasoning as evidence which is only thing that matters when it comes to exercise science since its a complete and utter shitshow


Mass monsters like jordan peters have been talking about freq for a bit now:





It really took off when chris beardsley and paul carter (prob 2 of the best in the field) looked at the data and comprehensive overview on why its better.


Tldr:


1 set every other day. Its not easy to understand but you will literally double to triple progression if u switch to UL/FB

If u have money to spend buy either of these and follow the instructions:

Optimal Dawgs: Training by Ryan Jewers in TrainHeroic

3 days per week Full Body training programming. This is for those who only want to train 3 days a week but still want lightning fast muscle gains.

marketplace.trainheroic.com

Yoke Buds: Training by Paul Carter in TrainHeroic

Daily hypertrophy and strength work that will take between 45-60 minutes to complete.

marketplace.trainheroic.com

2nd one is ran by a hormonal complete faggot whos not helpful, but he is the one who understand hypertrophy the most in this industry.


First one very good, they will answer any questions u have.

got it thanks for all this info.
i’ll give it a look into and watch these vids.
and i’ll start using the caffeine.

Also yes magnesium at night is enuff. Alot of fags these days drink coconut water to magnesium flush but i think it tastes like shit and dont bother with it

got it.

any idea when the initial bloated face from the carbs will subside and i lose the facial bloat, since im going from no carbs to higher carbs?

 

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got it thanks for all this info.
i’ll give it a look into and watch these vids.
and i’ll start using the caffeine.

got it.

any idea when the initial bloated face from the carbs will subside and i lose the facial bloat, since im going from no carbs to higher carbs?

I would highly recommend buying the ryjewers group atleast for a month or two, its alot of info to take in. Also no offense but you sound like a beginner and this is the most advanced split out there youll hardly understand it (not trynna sell shit)

Idk tbh could be 1-3 days.

 

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If u want pre workout recs lmk ur location, cheap ones are cope and good ones are like 50$ a month. Otherwise just use the caffeine pills.

 

[appealmaxed]

If u want pre workout recs lmk ur location, cheap ones are cope and good ones are like 50$ a month. Otherwise just use the caffeine pills.

i live in the uk, but may as well use the caffeine for the meantime.

out of curiosity gave you experimented with low carb like 30g a day? did you notice a facial leanness/definition difference between that and higher carbs from dry?

 

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i live in the uk, but may as well use the caffeine for the meantime.

out of curiosity gave you experimented with low carb like 30g a day? did you notice a facial leanness/definition difference between that and higher carbs from dry?

Alr


I recently went from like 40%bf to 20% so im not lean by any means, i also have a legit 24 inch skull with big bones so i looked lean even at 30%bf.

But yes at like 30g carb a day there was considerably less puffiness in my face.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Carbs vary in chemical structures, sucrose, fructose, starches, and long chain glucose. If you do want to eat carbs from the healthiest source of them all (all carbs are bad), then get them from fruits because fructose will be processed through the liver instead of being remained in your blood streams by spiking your insulin constantly.

 

[Never Get Up]

This nigga so retarded

Prove me wrong then you fucking low IQ faggot. I’ll wait.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Yes 0.8g per pound is all you need if ur natty, wether in bulk or cut for muscle building purposes, but increasing protein has literally 0 drawbacks and will make u satiated.




This guy is a authority on nutrition.


Also are you not taking caffeine? Thats straight up retarded.

Ye then keep doing what ur doing, mayb lower carbs increase protein, but at the end of the day it doesnt matter that much.

Btw what split are you running?

Its impossible to be in a significant caloric deficit when your eating more than 0.8 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight because the good sources of protien come from animals that are high in calories, nutrients, and calorically dense. 0.6 grams per pound of bodyweight is all you need as a natural to lose body fat comfortably without losing muscle unless you drop down below 12%.