what cycles has higher roi

[yacine..]

12 weeks 500mg test and dbol first 4 weeks
or
16 weeks 500mg test and 200mg eq
probably second onebut i was planning first one cause during school i cant do longer then 16 weeks and that first month of dbol will give me a good push
(btw first cycle)

 

[yacine..]

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[shortaf]

Dbol and Test will make you look like a Waterbuffalo. Also, don't take Eq during your first time of steroid use, start with an AI. If your Estrogen is in check and you respond well, start thinking of a DHT derivative

 

[lowinhibthotbreaker]

Honestly just straight up 500mg test for 16 weeks. If it's your first cycle, you have no clue how you're gonna react, and dbol is notorious for being bloat and estrogen city. You'll probably have to take Arimidex/Aromasin on test alone, and adding something like EQ where you have no clue how it'll interact with your estrogen, HCT, RBC, etc. is not gonna work out.

 

[iLoveCavan]

12 weeks 500mg test and dbol first 4 weeks
or
16 weeks 500mg test and 200mg eq
probably second onebut i was planning first one cause during school i cant do longer then 16 weeks and that first month of dbol will give me a good push
(btw first cycle)

bro why are we still using dbol in the big 26

 

[yacine..]

bro why are we still using dbol in the big 26

why not and what do u think i should replace it with

 

[yacine..]

Honestly just straight up 500mg test for 16 weeks. If it's your first cycle, you have no clue how you're gonna react, and dbol is notorious for being bloat and estrogen city. You'll probably have to take Arimidex/Aromasin on test alone, and adding something like EQ where you have no clue how it'll interact with your estrogen, HCT, RBC, etc. is not gonna work out.

emm i think only test aint it tbh gotta add smth

 

[yacine..]

Dbol and Test will make you look like a Waterbuffalo. Also, don't take Eq during your first time of steroid use, start with an AI. If your Estrogen is in check and you respond well, start thinking of a DHT derivative

im lean af tho with a god tier metabolism and eq will help with estrogen im thinking to do test,eq and dbol

 

[zennn]

32 weeks the second one

 

[yacine..]

32 weeks the second one

dont you think 32 weeks is too long and wish i could have done more then 16 weeks my next year of school ill be so locked in

 

[zennn]

dont you think 32 weeks is too long and wish i could have done more then 16 weeks my next year of school ill be so locked in

i just started yesterday and the very first time i also wanted to do 12 weeks 200 test and now its 11 months test eq and mast

 

[lowinhibthotbreaker]

emm i think only test aint it tbh gotta add smth

Kept 13 pounds of lean mass after my cycle and lost 15 pounds of fat. Waist went from 36 to a 32.5. Just 500mg test does a lot tbh

If you take EQ and crash the shit out of your estrogen, you're gonna have no clue whats wrong and how to fix it

 

[yacine..]

Kept 13 pounds of lean mass after my cycle and lost 15 pounds of fat. Waist went from 36 to a 32.5. Just 500mg test does a lot tbh

If you take EQ and crash the shit out of your estrogen, you're gonna have no clue whats wrong and how to fix it

how long was your cycle and btw im doing 1to2 test and eq ratio

 

[lowinhibthotbreaker]

how long was your cycle and btw im doing 1to2 test and eq ratio

16 weeks, also EQ usually crushes test at lower ratios for a lot of guys (not everybody), most people would flip that ratio tbh (say 500 test and 250 EQ)

If you're gonna do it anyway, hop on some monthly blood test thing like Rythm and get a test before you take Arimidex because low estrogen and high estrogen can feel exactly the same, and you'll just keep crushing your estrogen more and more, and feel like shit forever and make zero gains. Extremely high cortisol, terrible sleep, and loss of hair is extremely likely with high or low estrogen

 

[yacine..]

16 weeks, also EQ usually crushes test at lower ratios for a lot of guys (not everybody), most people would flip that ratio tbh (say 500 test and 250 EQ)

If you're gonna do it anyway, hop on some monthly blood test thing like Rythm and get a test before you take Arimidex because low estrogen and high estrogen can feel exactly the same, and you'll just keep crushing your estrogen more and more, and feel like shit forever and make zero gains. Extremely high cortisol, terrible sleep, and loss of hair is extremely likely with high or low estrogen

if i dont take eq what do u recommend instead?

 

[lowinhibthotbreaker]

if i dont take eq what do u recommend instead?

Nothing, or throw in an oral like Anavar/Dbol at most. You're gonna be pretty surprised how much progress you make. I don't like Dbol tho, bloat city

Whats your height/weight/bodyfat/gym experience?

 

[yacine..]

Nothing, or throw in an oral like Anavar/Dbol at most. You're gonna be pretty surprised how much progress you make. I don't like Dbol tho, bloat city

Whats your height/weight/bodyfat/gym experience?

180cm/60kg/11%/ i trained 2 years 2022/2024 now im not consistent at all
and im always so lean whaatever i eat i have god tier metabolism

 

[lowinhibthotbreaker]

180cm/60kg/11%/ i trained 2 years 2022/2024 now im not consistent at all
and im always so lean whaatever i eat i have god tier metabolism

Bruh just take 500mg test. Maybe throw in 20-50mg Anavar daily if you want but you're gonna literally gain 20 pounds of lean mass, if not more on just test, if you're that lean. I had the same training history as you basically and I had amazing results

Also you need to eat a whole shit ton more when youre on cycle btw, metabolism is insane

 

[yacine..]

Bruh just take 500mg test. Maybe throw in 20-50mg Anavar daily if you want but you're gonna literally gain 20 pounds of lean mass, if not more on just test, if you're that lean. I had the same training history as you basically and I had amazing results

Also you need to eat a whole shit ton more when youre on cycle btw, metabolism is insane

thx bro

 

[yacine..]

Bruh just take 500mg test. Maybe throw in 20-50mg Anavar daily if you want but you're gonna literally gain 20 pounds of lean mass, if not more on just test, if you're that lean. I had the same training history as you basically and I had amazing results

Also you need to eat a whole shit ton more when youre on cycle btw, metabolism is insane

i read more about it i guess yeah im doing teat only and add some priviron still dont know for how long i do the cycle

 

[lowinhibthotbreaker]

i read more about it i guess yeah im doing teat only and add some priviron still dont know for how long i do the cycle

Good move bro, it's so much easier to manage one compound at a time. Proviron is super mild, but I will add that your SHBG gets lowered by anabolics naturally, you don't necessarily need it - lowering SHBG will cause more testosterone AND estrogen to circulate, so it can cause more sides, but more gains as well. But no reason to not have it on hand. I still would recommend Anavar in the 20-50mg range if you wanted an oral, it's also mild and dry

I would recommend 16 weeks, you won't have much for effects until week 3 and you won't really put on size until week 5-7, maybe even 8. Then you have tons of gains for a couple months and then it kind of tapers off, so 16 works well for me. You can go longer if you're doing well on it, but I wouldn't go shorter than 16. It gets old measuring every single meal and going to every single workout and sleeping 9 hours every single night yk, its nice to take time off

 

[yacine..]

Good move bro, it's so much easier to manage one compound at a time. Proviron is super mild, but I will add that your SHBG gets lowered by anabolics naturally, you don't necessarily need it - lowering SHBG will cause more testosterone AND estrogen to circulate, so it can cause more sides, but more gains as well. But no reason to not have it on hand. I still would recommend Anavar in the 20-50mg range if you wanted an oral, it's also mild and dry

I would recommend 16 weeks, you won't have much for effects until week 3 and you won't really put on size until week 5-7, maybe even 8. Then you have tons of gains for a couple months and then it kind of tapers off, so 16 works well for me. You can go longer if you're doing well on it, but I wouldn't go shorter than 16. It gets old measuring every single meal and going to every single workout and sleeping 9 hours every single night yk, its nice to take time off

yeah and during school from it will be even harder to manage what supplements you took you think necessary? i have whey,creatine,zinc,magnesuim,d3+k2+electrolytes) no nac cause im not running any oral even proviron imma skip it is something missing youd recommend ?

 

[lowinhibthotbreaker]

yeah and during school from it will be even harder to manage what supplements you took you think necessary? i have whey,creatine,zinc,magnesuim,d3+k2+electrolytes) no nac cause im not running any oral even proviron imma skip it is something missing youd recommend ?

Necessary? Not many tbh. Creatine is always good, but you're gonna have 10x the water retention from test anyhow. Whey is good. I just took a multivitamin, fish oils are good for liver, psyillium husk can help liver too. You can buy an all-in-one supplement like N2Guard or 5% Nutrition's Cycle Support, that's what I did.

Multivitamin, fish oil, psyillium husk occassionally, Vitamin D + K2, 5% Nutrition Cycle Support, magnesium glycinate at night is all I would take. Sounds like you're pretty much good to go

Have Arimidex/Aromasin on hand

 

[yacine..]

Necessary? Not many tbh. Creatine is always good, but you're gonna have 10x the water retention from test anyhow. Whey is good. I just took a multivitamin, fish oils are good for liver, psyillium husk can help liver too. You can buy an all-in-one supplement like N2Guard or 5% Nutrition's Cycle Support, that's what I did.

Multivitamin, fish oil, psyillium husk occassionally, Vitamin D + K2, 5% Nutrition Cycle Support, magnesium glycinate at night is all I would take. Sounds like you're pretty much good to go

Have Arimidex/Aromasin on hand

thx but when it comes to AI i couldnt have it on hand i searched sm here in my third world country even coaches that sell gear have no clue about it im so pissed im gonna have to gamble and hop on with no AI even in pharmacies only described and hard to find and illegal to import

 

[lowinhibthotbreaker]

thx but when it comes to AI i couldnt have it on hand i searched sm here in my third world country even coaches that sell gear have no clue about it im so pissed im gonna have to gamble and hop on with no AI even in pharmacies only described and hard to find and illegal to import

Hey sorry for the late reply, there are over the counter versions that are available at drug stores. Arimistane is one here in the US. Otherwise you can order AI through some Chinese vendor, they're cheap and work well. Good luck, you shouldn't need it for the first month or so anyhow so you got time