AlexAP
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Evolutionary psychology has a lot of theories about human sexual behavior under "natural" conditions. I think there are three main theories, one of them is seen as debunked in this forum, the other two however are believed by many.
Theory 1: Men want beauty, women want resources.
Theory 2: Men are polygamous, women want a high-quality male as provider.
Theory 3: Men have a higher sex drive than women.
THEORY 1: Men want beauty, women want resources.
Theory 1 is bullshit. We already know what's true: Men want beauty, women want beauty. But we haven't really thought why evolutionary psychologists believe that women want men with resources and why it's wrong.
Evolutionary psychologists see how in human societies, rich men have beautiful wives. They think this is explained by nature, because women need a provider with resources when they are pregnant and raise kids.
But in reality, this has nothing to do with nature. In nature, most male animals who impregnate female animals don't stay around, they just put their semen in the female and go away after. Women don't get "resources" from men, they just get their genes. Therefore, what matters the most for women are good genes. And good genes in males most of the time mean good-looking males.
The fact that in human societies rich men can have beautiful wives doesn't disprove Looks theory, because such relationships are not necessary an indicator of sexual attraction that is rooted in evolution. Instead, they are a man-made, socio-cultural phenomen: Betabuxxing.
TL;DR: Men want beauty, women want beauty.
THEORY 2: Men are polygamous, women want a high-quality male as provider.
The first part - men are polygamous - is true, and no one disagrees on that. The second part is something that the forum here is divided imo.
Searching for a high-quality male is called hypergamy.
Hypergamy can mean monogamy (one high-quality male), serial monogamy (one high-quality male who is replaced by another after time) or polygamy (multiple high-quality males at the same time). The theory that women are monogamous or serial monogamists ("Bateman's principle") has been proven wrong by observing animal behavior: The females are as polygamous as the males.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
However, the natural state of females is not hypergamous. They are like men, they want multiple partners at the same time, and they don't have to be all in the top 20% range (Chad/high-quality male). It doesn't make sense that women are "naturally" more pickier than men. Why should women want only Chad, but men NOT want only Stacy?
Some argue that the costs of reproduction (pregnancy) are higher in women than in men, making them more pickier. But the difference between Chad genes and Normie genes is not that brutal that it would justify women being only attracted to Chad. Of course Chad has a big advantage for reproduction - no one denies that, he lives in easy mode - but Normies can still be attractive for the opposite sex.
TL;DR: Men and women are polygamous.
THEORY 3: Men have a higher sex drive than women.
This is believed by most people in the forum. The explanation many give: Men have higher testosterone, which leads to a higher sex drive.
Yes, men have more testosterone. But I'm not sure that means a naturally higher sex drive. Human societies have been shaped by millennia of social and cultural norms. Many of these norms restricted female sexuality: Female genital mutilation, slut-shaming, religious sexual ethics, so we can't be sure what is "natural" behavior and what is the result of socio-cultural norms.
If we want to observe natural behavior, we have to look at nature. In the animal world, males and females both show the same unrestricted sexual behavior. In human societies that are still living under pre-historical conditions, the same is true, men and women both fuck around. Therefore, I tend to believe that men and women have equal sex drives under "natural" conditions.
TL;DR: Men and women may have equal sex drives.
Theory 1: Men want beauty, women want resources.
Theory 2: Men are polygamous, women want a high-quality male as provider.
Theory 3: Men have a higher sex drive than women.
THEORY 1: Men want beauty, women want resources.
Theory 1 is bullshit. We already know what's true: Men want beauty, women want beauty. But we haven't really thought why evolutionary psychologists believe that women want men with resources and why it's wrong.
Evolutionary psychologists see how in human societies, rich men have beautiful wives. They think this is explained by nature, because women need a provider with resources when they are pregnant and raise kids.
But in reality, this has nothing to do with nature. In nature, most male animals who impregnate female animals don't stay around, they just put their semen in the female and go away after. Women don't get "resources" from men, they just get their genes. Therefore, what matters the most for women are good genes. And good genes in males most of the time mean good-looking males.
The fact that in human societies rich men can have beautiful wives doesn't disprove Looks theory, because such relationships are not necessary an indicator of sexual attraction that is rooted in evolution. Instead, they are a man-made, socio-cultural phenomen: Betabuxxing.
TL;DR: Men want beauty, women want beauty.
THEORY 2: Men are polygamous, women want a high-quality male as provider.
The first part - men are polygamous - is true, and no one disagrees on that. The second part is something that the forum here is divided imo.
Searching for a high-quality male is called hypergamy.
Hypergamy can mean monogamy (one high-quality male), serial monogamy (one high-quality male who is replaced by another after time) or polygamy (multiple high-quality males at the same time). The theory that women are monogamous or serial monogamists ("Bateman's principle") has been proven wrong by observing animal behavior: The females are as polygamous as the males.
Rethinking Bateman's Principles: Challenging Persistent Myths of Sexually Reluctant Females and Promiscuous Males - PubMed
In 1948, Angus Bateman published a paper on fruit flies that tested Charles Darwin's ideas of sexual selection. Based on this one fruit fly study, Bateman concluded that because males are able to produce millions of small sperm, males are likely to behave promiscuously, mating with as many...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
However, the natural state of females is not hypergamous. They are like men, they want multiple partners at the same time, and they don't have to be all in the top 20% range (Chad/high-quality male). It doesn't make sense that women are "naturally" more pickier than men. Why should women want only Chad, but men NOT want only Stacy?
Some argue that the costs of reproduction (pregnancy) are higher in women than in men, making them more pickier. But the difference between Chad genes and Normie genes is not that brutal that it would justify women being only attracted to Chad. Of course Chad has a big advantage for reproduction - no one denies that, he lives in easy mode - but Normies can still be attractive for the opposite sex.
TL;DR: Men and women are polygamous.
THEORY 3: Men have a higher sex drive than women.
This is believed by most people in the forum. The explanation many give: Men have higher testosterone, which leads to a higher sex drive.
Yes, men have more testosterone. But I'm not sure that means a naturally higher sex drive. Human societies have been shaped by millennia of social and cultural norms. Many of these norms restricted female sexuality: Female genital mutilation, slut-shaming, religious sexual ethics, so we can't be sure what is "natural" behavior and what is the result of socio-cultural norms.
If we want to observe natural behavior, we have to look at nature. In the animal world, males and females both show the same unrestricted sexual behavior. In human societies that are still living under pre-historical conditions, the same is true, men and women both fuck around. Therefore, I tend to believe that men and women have equal sex drives under "natural" conditions.
TL;DR: Men and women may have equal sex drives.
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into having soft love making sex with their wife. While I am not saying you should rape women, rough sex is optimal.
