What do you think Russia is going to do now?

[John124]

I agree though that at their current pace they are on track to lose

 

[Mr.Proper]

People who say Putin will be overthrown or something in case of lose don't actually know how media in Russia works, probably. They will portray everything as win even if there is lose, and they only way for P to go is by death (99.9% it will be natural one). Also, russians can stand pretty much any abuse and harsh treatment by power, they would rather live in total dirt and misery than "overthrow" anyone. However, about the outcome - most realistically, Russia will try to get all Donbass and preserve Kherson region and that's it. They can leave the most of Ukraine without electricity even without nukes, and it will have devastating effects, plus it's possibly to blow most bridges across Dnipro river, that would make it difficult to deliver supplies to Ukrainian army, but they have no balls to use this card, let alone nukes. Speaking from Russia itself.

 

[incel194012940]

I think they are playing the long game and preventing escalation with strategic defeat. Putin got what he wanted, he has tighter control, less dissidents, more economic control, less global interconnection which would be long term risk.

Who give a shit what redditors think muh slava ukrania poggers bro!!!

If you think that Russia couldn't take the whole of Ukraine if they really wanted to, just lol. Would make a 1950 Korea Macarthur situation

 

[forevergymcelling]

Russia is playing the long game and hoping that NATO ends up eating itself alive
Greece and Turkey are on the brink of war and Poland is bitching again

Brutal, I'm heading to Crete tomorrow

 

[TsarTsar444]

People who say Putin will be overthrown or something in case of lose don't actually know how media in Russia works, probably. They will portray everything as win even if there is lose, and they only way for P to go is by death (99.9% it will be natural one). Also, russians can stand pretty much any abuse and harsh treatment by power, they would rather live in total dirt and misery than "overthrow" anyone. However, about the outcome - most realistically, Russia will try to get all Donbass and preserve Kherson region and that's it. They can leave the most of Ukraine without electricity even without nukes, and it will have devastating effects, plus it's possibly to blow most bridges across Dnipro river, that would make it difficult to deliver supplies to Ukrainian army, but they have no balls to use this card, let alone nukes. Speaking from Russia itself.

But even if they do this which most likely will happen, what next? Ukraine will just refuse to give away that land, Russia just can't sustain a war forever, while Ukraine can cause of endless supply from the west

 

[Mr.Proper]

But even if they do this which most likely will happen, what next? Ukraine will just refuse to give away that land, Russia just can't sustain a war forever, while Ukraine can cause of endless supply from the west

Do what, exactly? Supply is not endless on both sides, BTW. It will be a kind of frozen conflict (the question is what will be a border) without any peace agreement, with Ukraine trying to use sabotaging methods on russian-controlled territories and Russia trying to install their own administration and convert everything to russian standards quickly.

 

[Wallenberg]

If you think that Russia couldn't take the whole of Ukraine if they really wanted to, just lol. Would make a 1950 Korea Macarthur situation

They couldn't. It's ridiculous because Ukraine built its military from scratch in the last 10 years.

 

[TsarTsar444]

They couldn't. It's ridiculous because Ukraine built its military from scratch in the last 10 years.

No jfl they could have, they fucked up cause they didn't use their air superiority at the begging to obliterate all air defenses, power stations and airfields. This is how Israel fucked up the Arabs in the 6 days war, they destroyed Egypts and Syrias airfields and it was GG. Russia thought Ukraine would just collapse similar how in Belarus when the Russian army enter with no resistance

 

[Pharmaceutic]

The Russians kicked the Rothschilds out and returned to a gold standard and are now divesting from the petro dollar. They have essentially removed the jew bankers.

Source: schizo boomer Facebook posts

 

[Wallenberg]

No jfl they could have, they fucked up cause they didn't use their air superiority at the begging to obliterate all air defenses, power stations and airfields. This is how Israel fucked up the Arabs in the 6 days war, they destroyed Egypts and Syrias airfields and it was GG. Russia thought Ukraine would just collapse similar how in Belarus when the Russian army enter with no resistance

They tried to destroy air defense, but they couldn't.

 

[John124]

Do what, exactly? Supply is not endless on both sides, BTW. It will be a kind of frozen conflict (the question is what will be a border) without any peace agreement, with Ukraine trying to use sabotaging methods on russian-controlled territories and Russia trying to install their own administration and convert everything to russian standards quickly.

The US has just as large of a reserve supply of Bradley's and cold war equipment as Russia which hasn't been tapped yet. All that's really been tapped is former Soviet arms stockpiles that the NATO expansion countries had (most or all tapped), infantry anti-tank missiles (a good amount tapped but not all of it), some modern infantry vehicles (barely any tapped), and some modern artillery systems (barely any tapped).

On Russia's end they have tapped their cold war reserves but they have several years worth before they would be depleted. Ukraine with the west's backing would pretty certainly win out on a war of attrition

I think what could happen is they realize how destructive next year could be and try to diplomatically resolve it this winter. And that probably looks something like Russians evacuate everything west of the Dnieper and hold onto whatever they have right now. I don't think that will happen though until or unless Ukraine loses the initiative with some kind of catastrophically bad offensive. Like they try really hard to drive a wedge south at Zaporizhzhia to take Melitopol and fail. That would make them come to the table diplomatically. Because right now Russia wants an exit but the rhetoric from Ukraine right now is that they will keep going until Russia is forced out or leaves.

 

[TsarTsar444]

They tried to destroy air defense, but they couldn't.

They didn't try to do it, there were no Russian planes bombing every city in Ukraine on the first day, they tried to do it to a minor degree 10 days later when it was to late

 

[Wallenberg]

They didn't try to do it, there were no Russian planes bombing every city in Ukraine on the first day, they tried to do it to a minor degree 10 days later when it was to late

They used long-range missiles.

 

[TsarTsar444]

The US has just as large of a reserve supply of Bradley's and cold war equipment as Russia which hasn't been tapped yet. All that's really been tapped is former Soviet arms stockpiles that the NATO expansion countries had (most or all tapped), infantry anti-tank missiles (a good amount tapped but not all of it), some modern infantry vehicles (barely any tapped), and some modern artillery systems (barely any tapped).

On Russia's end they have tapped their cold war reserves but they have several years worth before they would be depleted. Ukraine with the west's backing would pretty certainly win out on a war of attrition

I think what could happen is they realize how destructive next year could be and try to diplomatically resolve it this winter. And that probably looks something like Russians evacuate everything west of the Dnieper and hold onto whatever they have right now. I don't think that will happen though until or unless Ukraine loses the initiative with some kind of catastrophically bad offensive. Like they try really hard to drive a wedge south at Zaporizhzhia to take Melitopol and fail. That would make them come to the table diplomatically. Because right now Russia wants an exit but the rhetoric from Ukraine right now is that they will keep going until Russia is forced out or leaves.

What if Russia mobilizes and does a military overhaul and then launches a major offensive next year? During operation barbarosa the soviets performed abysmally but they learned from their mistakes and solidified new theories of warfare, comand structure and experience before destroying the German Army.

This war is also a huge call to Russia that it needs to completely reform the army, similar to what Stalin did with the purge

 

[TsarTsar444]

They used long-range missiles.

They used it barely, i remember it quite well in February, they hit a few spots on the border regions (which they conquered) but didn't touch the peripheral parts or Kiev. The US bombed Baghdad to oblivion before entering with an army

 

[John124]

What if Russia mobilizes and does a military overhaul and then launches a major offensive next year? During operation barbarosa the soviets performed abysmally but they learned from their mistakes and solidified new theories of warfare, comand structure and experience before destroying the German Army.

This war is also a huge call to Russia that it needs to completely reform the army, similar to what Stalin did with the purge

Had to say because there was a lot of American supply and industrial support during WW2 which kept them in the fight and allowed them to ramp up their industry. Also their weapon systems were a lot simpler and didn't require as much foreign material or parts.

 

[height]

they should just go back to calling themselves mongolia

 

[height]

Russia is playing the long game and hoping that NATO ends up eating itself alive
Greece and Turkey are on the brink of war and Poland is bitching again

mongol cope

 

[TsarTsar444]

Had to say because there was a lot of American supply and industrial support during WW2 which kept them in the fight and allowed them to ramp up their industry. Also their weapon systems were a lot simpler and didn't require as much foreign material or parts.

Im not talking about the material part of the land lease, but about the army structure, weapon designs, military theory, cutting of corruption.

Its clear Russias army is rotten, not because they lacked any equipment when they went to war with Ukraine, but because the command structure and military theory is a huge mess.

Also about the simplicity, Russia could design something similar to the weapons NATO gave to Ukraine, similary how they did to counter the German weapons in ww2

 

[Wallenberg]

Imagine if Ukraine would be a modern western military with equipment like F-35 and Leopard 2 and actually well-trained manpower.

They used it barely, i remember it quite well in February, they hit a few spots on the border regions (which they conquered) but didn't touch the peripheral parts or Kiev. The US bombed Baghdad to oblivion before entering with an army

They actually did bomb the whole country.

 

[JBcollector]

I agree though that at their current pace they are on track to lose

Drink vodka and die
Those useless miserable fucks

 

[Deleted member 18849]

China won't participate. Xi already had "questions and concerns" about the war.

How do you know that China won't assist them with military aids when shit hits the fan like something goes off with Taiwan, or they promise them land and resources?

Unlike Russia, China is an actual threat to the world. Having their economy so dependent on global trade is the best way to keep the peace. Once we start sanctioning them they will have very little to lose, and they might actually openly join Russia.

 

[Mr.Proper]

They actually did bomb the whole country.

Not as much as they could. No major bridges touched (until very few much later), no power stations, no hydroconstructions (back then), no gas system. Not to mention military command centers, they openly operated and keep operating.
About mobilization - "total" will not be popular at all, it would be forced by guns to backs. Limited mobilization would mean drawing veterans and the most ready people, plus forcing companies to pay some sort of an additional tax.

 

[TsarTsar444]

How do you know that China won't assist them with military aids when shit hits the fan like something goes off with Taiwan, or they promise them land and resources?

Unlike Russia, China is an actual threat to the world. Having their economy so dependent on global trade is the best way to keep the peace. Once we start sanctioning them they will have very little to lose, and they might actually openly join Russia.

Well Russia losing in Ukraine won't affect China much, sanctions on them if they support Russia will affect them more. China and Russia never had an alliance since the Sino Soviet split

 

[TsarTsar444]

Not as much as they could. No major bridges touched (until very few much later), no power stations, no hydroconstructions (back then), no gas system. Not to mention military command centers, they openly operated and keep operating.
About mobilization - "total" will not be popular at all, it would be forced by guns to backs. Limited mobilization would mean drawing veterans and the most ready people, plus forcing companies to pay some sort of an additional tax.

Limited won't be enough, Ukraine has like 500k soldiers now, for a successful attack in modern times you need at least equal amounts, so Russia has to go from 120k to 500k soldiers, 400k new soldiers is alot, how will limited mobilization cover this?

 

[Wallenberg]

How do you know that China won't assist them with military aids when shit hits the fan like something goes off with Taiwan, or they promise them land and resources?

The west is much more important to China than Russia. Collectively Western economy is huge, and Russia's economy isn't even comparable. Xi already expressed his discomfort over Putin's failured invasion.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

The west is much more important to China than Russia. Collectively Western economy is huge, and Russia's economy isn't even comparable. Xi already expressed his discomfort over Putin's failured invasion.

And China is very important to the West, literally the world's production center.

The same can't be said about Russia.

 

[Mr.Proper]

Limited won't be enough, Ukraine has like 500k soldiers now, for a successful attack in modern times you need at least equal amounts, so Russia has to go from 120k to 500k soldiers, 400k new soldiers is alot, how will limited mobilization cover this?

Nah, it's not 500k, that's "the realistic potential amount of fully capable soldiers", but yeah their soldiers supply will be limited only by amount they can train and feed.
There is one overlooked thing - new ukrainian laws which give a lot of extended rights to Polish citizens and priveleges such as ability to be in governing structures, police, justice system. There is a some sort of integration going on, in exchange for an aid.
The biggest winner of the war is USA (regardless of outcome) - increased influence over Europe and UK plus loss of popularity of pro-russian politicians (they temporary gains they may have now will most likely disappear after winter), huge demands for military-industrial complex production, selling gas by lucrative prices. For Russia, if some captured territory remains, big contracts for construction companies (of course, only who paid or have connections in government will be allowed) to rebuild cities, government officials will have their share of personal profits from it. Same for Ukrainian government officials - ability to control economic aid, to control whos gonna rebuild infrastructure and invest and so on. It's normal citizens who are getting wrecked, undoubtedly - in Russia, by economic sanctions, travel restrictions, negative outlook by foreigners and potential mobilization, by limiting freedoms even further. In Europe - by raised costs for electricity, gas, heating, refugees flow and domino effects of those things. In Ukraine - well, by wrecked economy (including unemployment), potential to die in a battlefield or at your home, losing possessions, losing friends or relatives due to them dying or escaping the country etc.
If some sort of mobilization takes places, I'll try to avoid it by all means and move away. Already working for oligarchs, but dying for them would be ultimately cucked thing.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Nah, it's not 500k, that's "the realistic potential amount of fully capable soldiers", but yeah their soldiers supply will be limited only by amount they can train and feed.
There is one overlooked thing - new ukrainian laws which give a lot of extended rights to Polish citizens and priveleges such as ability to be in governing structures, police, justice system. There is a some sort of integration going on, in exchange for an aid.
The biggest winner of the war is USA (regardless of outcome) - increased influence over Europe and UK plus loss of popularity of pro-russian politicians (they temporary gains they may have now will most likely disappear after winter), huge demands for military-industrial complex production, selling gas by lucrative prices. For Russia, if some captured territory remains, big contracts for construction companies (of course, only who paid or have connections in government will be allowed) to rebuild cities, government officials will have their share of personal profits from it. Same for Ukrainian government officials - ability to control economic aid, to control whos gonna rebuild infrastructure and invest and so on. It's normal citizens who are getting wrecked, undoubtedly - in Russia, by economic sanctions, travel restrictions, negative outlook by foreigners and potential mobilization, by limiting freedoms even further. In Europe - by raised costs for electricity, gas, heating, refugees flow and domino effects of those things. In Ukraine - well, by wrecked economy (including unemployment), potential to die in a battlefield or at your home, losing possessions, losing friends or relatives due to them dying or escaping the country etc.
If some sort of mobilization takes places, I'll try to avoid it by all means and move away. Already working for oligarchs, but dying for them would be ultimately cucked thing.

Yeah the US won without lifting a finger, its cageful. The Soviet Union didn't have to disolve, no clue why it was allowed, the Baltics could have been allowed to go, but why the rest? Ukraine wants to be a bitch to the west so bad its pathetic, but Russia is a bully as well

 

[Veganist]

Russia is gonna whore out their bimbo bitches to the west and plead for our forgiveness.

 

[Mr.Proper]

Yeah the US won without lifting a finger, its cageful. The Soviet Union didn't have to disolve, no clue why it was allowed, the Baltics could have been allowed to go, but why the rest? Ukraine wants to be a bitch to the west so bad its pathetic, but Russia is a bully as well

And Turkey sits on both chairs, supplying weapons to Ukraine, taking a lot of russian tourists, being a hub for Russia to trade its grains, smart move.

 

[Wallenberg]

 

[incel194012940]

They couldn't. It's ridiculous because Ukraine built its military from scratch in the last 10 years.

Not now because NATO support would increase the more territory Russia takes, but with the current armies

 

[Prettyboy]

elab what u ate yesterday full day of eating