What does make a face appear long? [JAWCELS GTFI]

[Deleted member 26824]

Does a recessed jaw make a face appear longer from the front or side? Is it the gonial angle or the midface? What are the crucial elements of making a face small or long?

Downward growth is an answer but people with proper development do have long faces too.

When is a longish face reversable/fixable and when is it death tier unsolvable?

What are ways to make it appear smaller or more compact than it is?

How could trimax/implants improve a long downward recessed face, considering no gummy smile

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Midface. Slight downward growth is ideal Ramirez delon gandy all have it else you’ll end up looking like @Bewusst avi

 

[Allornothing]

Midface length is just the genetic length of your maxilla + any vertical excess from downward growth which (I think) can be at least partially corrected by bimax. Some guys just have naturally tall maxillas even with no downward growth. Gonial angle is just a combination of ramus length, natural chin height + vertical excess from the maxilla.

A recessed mandible in terms of overbite will reduce lower third height as the lower jaw travels less distance along the gonial angle. This effect is usually way more apparent in a recessed chin (when the mandible in front of the bone holding the teeth is too small) and this will largely determine chin height.

 

[Akatlyn]

A long midface, it means a very long maxilla, very big distance between eyes and lips, even if you have wide set eyes.
Also a lack of width creates a long face looking, even if it's not necessary long.
I experience it

 

[Akatlyn]

Imo you can be recessed with long face looking or forward growth with long face looking. However it won't be the same long faces

 

[normie_joe]

Midface length is just the genetic length of your maxilla + any vertical excess from downward growth which (I think) can be at least partially corrected by bimax. Some guys just have naturally tall maxillas even with no downward growth. Gonial angle is just a combination of ramus length, natural chin height + vertical excess from the maxilla.

A recessed mandible in terms of overbite will reduce lower third height as the lower jaw travels less distance along the gonial angle. This effect is usually way more apparent in a recessed chin (when the mandible in front of the bone holding the teeth is too small) and this will largely determine chin height.

This fucking waiting period in braces before my bimax is irritating AF. I know it's important, but reading shit like this just makes me impatient.

 

[iam good boy]

Does a recessed jaw make a face appear longer from the front or side? Is it the gonial angle or the midface? What are the crucial elements of making a face small or long?

Downward growth is an answer but people with proper development do have long faces too.

When is a longish face reversable/fixable and when is it death tier unsolvable?

What are ways to make it appear smaller or more compact than it is?

How could trimax/implants improve a long downward recessed face, considering no gummy smile

Spoiler: high iq users

@ccwwarrior @Blackgymmax @SixCRY @Ekil73_YT @BrahminBoss @king_of_recession @DelonLover1999 @Lord&Master @lelouch @Allornothing @Akatlyn @madcap88 @thecel

Midface length is just the genetic length of your maxilla + any vertical excess from downward growth which (I think) can be at least partially corrected by bimax. Some guys just have naturally tall maxillas even with no downward growth. Gonial angle is just a combination of ramus length, natural chin height + vertical excess from the maxilla.

A recessed mandible in terms of overbite will reduce lower third height as the lower jaw travels less distance along the gonial angle. This effect is usually way more apparent in a recessed chin (when the mandible in front of the bone holding the teeth is too small) and this will largely determine chin height.

So braces messup this shits

 

[Allornothing]

So braces messup this shits

I honestly don’t know. IMO braces can definitely work as they did for me luckily. For significant overbites you’ll definitely need jaw surgery.

 

[SixCRY]

It depends on many factor

The gonial is very important aspect for long face:

The higher the gonial, more you advance and the more ur face will appear longer because the advancement will follow the mandibule inclinasion which is directly related to gonial

Low gonial is key against downward growth, cuz any advancement will look good because it will follow the mandibule inclinaison

When we advance chin or mandibule, its never 100% straight

CCW is not the key, it will never change ur gonial height or the gonial angle

Here is an exemple (the implant is not very good but u can understand my point)

 

[Lord&Master]

A recessed jaw or recessed maxilla means the face will appear longer from all sides. The gonial angle is increased, and the midface ratio decreases. This isn't necessarily a death sentence depending on the person though.

Crucial elements of making a face appear short or tall.

Short: Midface ratio above 1.0
Short Chin. Like a lower chin-to-philtrum ratio.

Tall: Midface ratio can be either below or above 1.0
Tall Chin. Higher chin to philtrum ratio.

Compact Midface With Tall Chin Is Ideal.
Tall skull with long midface and tall chin doesn't count as impressive.
Compact midface with short chin is for pretty boys and women.

 

[Deleted member 26824]

It depends on many factor

The gonial is very important aspect for long face:

The higher the gonial, more you advance and the more ur face will appear longer because the advancement will follow the mandibule inclinasion which is directly related to gonial

Low gonial is key against downward growth, cuz any advancement will look good because it will follow the mandibule inclinaison

When we advance chin or mandibule, its never 100% straight

CCW is not the key, it will never change ur gonial height or the gonial angle

Here is an exemple (the implant is not very good but u can understand my point)

So implants it is? Can both bimax and implants simultaneously be done in one surgery?
You‘re saying changing gonial angle is key via implant, and advancing mandible with high gonial will make it longer (of course) and that ccw rotation would not help to prevent that - if i understood that right

So what implants/procedures did that dude from your picture get? he lowerd his gonial angle by allot

 

[Interested]

Midface. Slight downward growth is ideal Ramirez delon gandy all have it else you’ll end up looking like @Bewusst avi

High iq user

 

[king_of_recession]

It depends on the type of recession and malocclusion. I have deep overbite for example but my gonial is good, I'm not downgrown and midface ratio is good as well, my mandible is just shorter than it needs to be. Usually people with underbites have longer midfaces and high gonials.
If you have malocclusion then forget about implants for now and fix it first, after that if you still don't like the way you look then consider other options.

 

[JohnDoe]

Recessed maxilla + jaw

 

[Deleted member 26197]

From the side profile it's the downward maxilla that forces the entire face to be long, and also causes a short ramus and consequently a high gonial angle.

From the fronts the main things that affect the fwhr are the length of the philtrum, the positioning of the eyebrows(high set vs low set), the bizigomatic and bigonial (which is affected by the gonial angle)

 

[Bewusst]

Midface. Slight downward growth is ideal Ramirez delon gandy all have it else you’ll end up looking like @Bewusst avi

Prime Heß = ideal

 

[Deleted member 26824]

bump

 

[Deleted member 31155]

surprised no one said anything about ipd

 

[Deleted member 26824]

surprised no one said anything about ipd

well its not really the indicator of a long face

 

[Deleted member 31155]

well its not really the indicator of a long face

it can give the illusion of one though

 

[Akatlyn]

Difference between the oval narrow jaw with flat 404 cheekbones and the square jaw with angular cheekbones (thank you age and fillers).
On the left I see a long face. On the right, I see a normal face lenght. Jaw is law

Position of eyebrows maters too

 

[Akatlyn]

Sometimes you can fix the long face problem, sometimes you can't. If your problems comes from an excessively long midface, implants or filler won't fix it.

If the long face looking doesn't come from lenght but recession (I incluse downward growth) or narrowness (like me) or both, you can fix it with bimax implants, injections.

 

[blackckatt]

Sometimes you can fix the long face problem, sometimes you can't. If your problems comes from an excessively long midface, implants or filler won't fix it.

If the long face looking doesn't come from lenght but recession (I incluse downward growth) or narrowness (like me) or both, you can 90% fix it with bimax or implants or injections. I say 90% because there's things you can't fix like the global width of your cranium (I mean distance between 2 years).

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