What gonial angle is considered as a beginning of downward growth?

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Am i downwarded grown having 130 gonial angle?
 

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Not sure if gonial angle could be used to determine downward/forward growth. But yeah ideal gonial angle is 130 degrees.

Facial convexity angle would be a better way to judge forward growth. If it's above 165 degrees, you're good.
 
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90 is ideal for forward growth.
 
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Not sure if gonial angle could be used to determine downward/forward growth. But yeah ideal gonial angle is 130 degrees.

Facial convexity angle would be a better way to judge forward growth. If it's above 165 degrees, you're good.
who taught you this brand of NTness?
 
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yours look okay, but i think theres something fucky with your teeth giving your mouth a weird look
 
no 105 to 128 is ideal
anything above 140 is going into uncharted territory
 
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130 is only good if you have long ramus and long chin combo. If not, 120 is more ideal
 
130 is only good if you have long ramus and long chin combo. If not, 120 is more ideal
My chin is long af (48mm) but ramus is mediocre
 
judge downward growth by antegonial notch, my gonial angle is perfectly fine somewhere at 125 but I have a slight antegonial notch and a resultingly slightly curved jaw (hope mewing will fix it)🤣, Notch angle about 175 degrees
 
judge downward growth by antegonial notch, my gonial angle is perfectly fine somewhere at 125 but I have a slight antegonial notch and a resultingly slightly curved jaw (hope mewing will fix it)🤣, Notch angle about 175 degrees
So my whole face in the end should be like 5 mm shorter
 
judge downward growth by antegonial notch, my gonial angle is perfectly fine somewhere at 125 but I have a slight antegonial notch and a resultingly slightly curved jaw (hope mewing will fix it)🤣, Notch angle about 175 degrees
im too retarded to measure it
 

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