what height begins to be a failo

[innervoid765]

i put shortish heights just to keep it realistic

5'9 and below

 

[kanderior]

I think it starts way earlier. Honestly if hips wasnt an issue i would be as tall as possible. However i have noticed a trend, and it usually starts at 6’2 that They have wide hips. To the point its noticeable. Id rather be shorter with a Good frame narrow hips than a wide hipped tall person. i go to the gym every single day, and wide hips is the nr 1 trait that ruins a man physique.

dunno man even without the hips thing I would not want this. I want to be tall and aesthetic but not a freak/spectacle point to whenever I'm outside, I'd still want to be able to blend in with a crowd.

 

[andy9432]

dunno man even without the hips thing I would not want this
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Its too much Yeah, back breaker. Would give alot of problems later

 

[m0ss26]

5’9 and under is failo, 5’10-6’ is neutral, above that is a halo. If ur 5’10 barefoot u can fraud to 6’ with lifts like brad Pitt and ur about average height in America

 

[Son of gigachad]

Anything under 180 is over

the fact this comment has 15 likes and nothing else, tells you everything you need to know about how grounded in reality most of the dudes here are.

even if u are locked inside your basement, if u truly digg into this through scientific data and online anecdotes ( inb4 women virtue signal all the time, most of them literally state their cut off height openly ) its clearly evident that even short dudes can pull easily sometimes if they are at least somewhat goodlooking and NT etc, but even normies may sometimes get away with it. ( not including betabuxxing scenarios , in such a case a rich turbomanlet can still get sex , just not true affection maybe ). true turbomanletism meaning significantly average female height yes, its an incredible almost absolute failo in the west.
if u are talking about slaying, then depending on your location yes you do need great looks to slay as a manlet, and you'll still never open a harem or anything, as for quality, some stacies dont care but generally u are limited to lower tiers.
but over means zero romantic interest. so yeah, absolutely divorced from reality take even judging from tinder filtering

 

[IceBreaker0]

when i was 182cm from 13-17yo i got called short like 3 times in germany

I am 188 now and my best friend was 179
When we were all meeting up with others he was the shortest by almost 3 inches
The 2nd shortest was 186 and then me at 188
3 guys were 193+ too

I dont see how under 180 is acceptable if you arent really good looking in germany and netherlands tbh like you have to know that at any moment multiple 190+ moggers come around in groups

 

[kanderior]

the fact this comment has 15 likes and nothing else, tells you everything you need to know about how grounded in reality most of the dudes here are.

even if u are locked inside your basement, if u truly digg into this through scientific data and online anecdotes ( inb4 women virtue signal all the time, most of them literally state their cut off height openly ) its clearly evident that even short dudes can pull easily sometimes if they are at least somewhat goodlooking and NT etc, but even normies may sometimes get away with it. ( not including betabuxxing scenarios , in such a case a rich turbomanlet can still get sex , just not true affection maybe ). true turbomanletism meaning significantly average female height yes, its an incredible almost absolute failo in the west.
if u are talking about slaying, then depending on your location yes you do need great looks to slay as a manlet, and you'll still never open a harem or anything, as for quality, some stacies dont care but generally u are limited to lower tiers.
but over means zero romantic interest. so yeah, absolutely divorced from reality take even judging from tinder filtering

So what's the number for you? Average female height wherever you're at?

 

[Son of gigachad]

significantly below*

 

[FutureSlayer]

location dependant

 

[Son of gigachad]

So what's the number for you? Average female height wherever you're at?

average height where i am for dudes is like 5.8 to 5.9 so an inch below the USA. i think its like 5.4 for women. i know a few 5.6 to 5.7 good looking dudes that pull effortlessly, and fewer turbomanlets that occasionally get a gf, now will she leave him eventually or cheating a different story, but if they dating while young he obviously fucks her.
and ofc i know a ton of HTN 5.10 to 5.11 slayers. thats tall to most girls. i will say that a deep voice giga halo is extremely redeeming for a shorter dude, i know from experience, and a bad voice is a giga failo that is really hard to counteract no matter the height but a bad nasaly voice is rare, average voices are fine

 

[kanderior]

average height where i am for dudes is like 5.8 to 5.9 so an inch below the USA. i think its like 5.4 for women. i know a few 5.6 to 5.7 good looking dudes that pull effortlessly, and fewer turbomanlets that occasionally get a gf, now will she leave him eventually or cheating a different story, but if they dating while young he obviously fucks her.
and ofc i know a ton of HTN 5.10 to 5.11 slayers. thats tall to most girls. i will say that a deep voice giga halo is extremely redeeming for a shorter dude, i know from experience, and a bad voice is a giga failo that is really hard to counteract no matter the height but a bad nasaly voice is rare, average voices are fine

yeah the voicepill is underrated

 

[Deleted member 4397]

 

[Deleted member 46404]

Wtf why did every greycel spawn in this threadd

 

[innervoid765]

Its too much Yeah, back breaker. Would give alot of problems later

ideal height is 6'4 - 6'6 no taller than 6'6 imo

 

[andy9432]

ideal height is 6'4 - 6'6 no taller than 6'6 imo

I agree if its strictly about height and not the package that comes with it

 

[Son of gigachad]

yeah the voicepill is underrated

i saw it catching some credit here a few times, but most dudes are genuinely clueless of just how insanely important it is, i have an evolutionary theory on it as well i might post sometime. i saw and heard things from women that would make a true voicecel rope in nanoseconds, but he is immensely mistaken due to the fact androgens can deepen it even as an adult and severe stress/muscle strain can make your voice soo much higher for years and u would have no idea usually, and a voice surgery plus maybe faking a deep voice a bit ( if u can truly make it seem genuine and consistent, if u cant thats beyond failo ) can ascend u harder than most face surgeries could even dream

 

[orangomango2003]

You are only 170cm, now I know why you think you are surrounded by giants. It's because you're literally as tall as the average woman of your country.

Also lmao at the balls of you to put "only" before 183 cm as a 170 cm guy. Great argument retard.

you are thinking emotionally not logically. you are insecure about your height and are coping with the fact that some guys are shorter than you. just because i'm short doesn't mean that you're tall. you didn't bring any arguments. instead you just said that i'm shorter than you and therefore I must be wrong.

do you really think i care that you're taller than me? i think only you care. one of your copes is projecting your own insecurities on men who have it worse than you. i only care about my quality of life and it's been good since i have a pretty face and more than 8 inches. i know i'm short, but i'm still superior to you. unless you have the face of a chad and 9 inches. more than 50% of white men in their 20s in the Netherlands are taller than you. that means you're below average for your demographic. women simp over me all the time on dating apps and real life. i wish i was taller. i wish i was 183cm like you! but still being 193cm is much better than being 183cm. it doesn't matter if i say that as a short or tall guy, because it is still the truth.

 

[Son of gigachad]

i saw it catching some credit here a few times, but most dudes are genuinely clueless of just how insanely important it is, i have an evolutionary theory on it as well i might post sometime. i saw and heard things from women that would make a true voicecel rope in nanoseconds, but he is immensely mistaken due to the fact androgens can deepen it even as an adult and severe stress/muscle strain can make your voice soo much higher for years and u would have no idea usually, and a voice surgery plus maybe faking a deep voice a bit ( if u can truly make it seem genuine and consistent, if u cant thats beyond failo ) can ascend u harder than most face surgeries could even dream

and for any kind of social interaction and career ascension not just women, data supports this. a turbomanlet with a gigachad depth voice ( if thats even possible ) would propably still pull lol

 

[Sasuke177]

Jfl.
It's your competition that's making you a manlet not women

!

cope harder, 175 cm and no deodorant is a wild combination. btw im Serbian and 182 cm w/o shoes

You don't even know what cope means

 

[kanderior]

you are thinking emotionally not logically. you are insecure about your height and are coping with the fact that some guys are shorter than you. just because i'm short doesn't mean that you're tall. you didn't bring any arguments. instead you just said that i'm shorter than you and therefore I must be wrong.

do you really think i care that you're taller than me? i think only you care. one of your copes is projecting your own insecurities on men who have it worse than you. i only care about my quality of life and it's been good since i have a pretty face and more than 8 inches. i know i'm short, but i'm still superior to you. unless you have the face of a chad and 9 inches. more than 50% of white men in their 20s in the Netherlands are taller than you. that means you're below average for your demographic. women simp over me all the time on dating apps and real life. i wish i was taller. i wish i was 183cm like you! but still being 193cm is much better than being 183cm. it doesn't matter if i say that as a short or tall guy, because it is still the truth.

First of all, not a single molecule beyond the first paragraph, you're clearly madder than I am.

Again, I made a very simple argument: you're very significantly shorter than the average male height in your country, which means you are more likely to inflate/numerically overestimate the heights of the men you see outside. The average man in your country looks about as tall to you as the average NBA player looks to me. I even cited an anecdotal example of a short woman considering me "super tall" at 183 despite me not considering 183 cm to be that tall to support that argument.

Using that to establish why I have reasonable cause to distrust your anecdotal take on Dutch height, I cited actual data from the Dutch government that says average male zoomer height in the Netherlands is 6'0, and even that is self-reported, as reported on the source. I never said 183 cm is good by Dutch standards, that I feel tall at that height, or tried to insult you at any point. You're the one who introduced hostility to the discussion and tried to make it about insecurity and coping, I'm definitely not the one projecting buddy.

 

[Deleted member 30439]

the fact this comment has 15 likes and nothing else, tells you everything you need to know about how grounded in reality most of the dudes here are.

even if u are locked inside your basement, if u truly digg into this through scientific data and online anecdotes ( inb4 women virtue signal all the time, most of them literally state their cut off height openly ) its clearly evident that even short dudes can pull easily sometimes if they are at least somewhat goodlooking and NT etc, but even normies may sometimes get away with it. ( not including betabuxxing scenarios , in such a case a rich turbomanlet can still get sex , just not true affection maybe ). true turbomanletism meaning significantly average female height yes, its an incredible almost absolute failo in the west.
if u are talking about slaying, then depending on your location yes you do need great looks to slay as a manlet, and you'll still never open a harem or anything, as for quality, some stacies dont care but generally u are limited to lower tiers.
but over means zero romantic interest. so yeah, absolutely divorced from reality take even judging from tinder filtering

damian kater is 176 and he slays like no other so yes

 

[orangomango2003]

First of all, not a single molecule beyond the first paragraph, you're clearly madder than I am.

Again, I made a very simple argument: you're very significantly shorter than the average male height in your country, which means you are more likely to inflate the heights of the men you see outside. I even cited an anecdotal example of a short woman considering me "super tall" at 183 despite me not considering 183 cm to be that tall to support that argument. I never said 183 cm is good by Dutch standards, that I feel tall at that height, or tried to insult you at any point. You're the one who introduced hostility to the discussion and tried to make it about height insecurity and coping, I'm definitely not the one projecting.

Why would i be mad? There is no point in being mad at someone who is coping. My friend Damian Kater is 10cm shorter than you, so you should feel sorry for him too. If you read what i wrote you would understand why i don't care. I was only planting a seed into your mind so maybe in the future you will become more emphatic. And i wasn't talking from my perspective. My 183cm friend told me that he felt short and others said to me he is on the shorter side. That has nothing to do with me being short and therefore not understanding height differences. My dad is 180cm but he is considered short by others. He doesn't look short to me but if i objectively compare him to other Dutch men he is. So the statement is not influenced by my own height, which is why your argument that my height influences my statement on height is wrong.

 

[Son of gigachad]

damian kater is 176 and he slays like no other so yes

cillian murphy is a known manlet and he has endless tiktok simp videos.
josh hutcherson has a ton too at 5.5 and its a known fact as well, al pacino at 5.7, tom cruise and so on. jfl at the arguement that movies make them look normal ( which they do usually ) as if a fangirl wouldnt find out their height in a single google search.
chadlet can get away with being a true manlet , but IRL a gl manlet is good enough as a niche. most girls will still turn u down, but their looks level is highly variable

 

[kanderior]

Why would i be mad? There is no point in being mad at someone who is coping. My friend Damian Kater is 10cm shorter than you, so you should feel sorry for him too. If you read what i wrote you would understand why i don't care. I was only planting a seed into your mind so maybe in the future you will become more emphatic. And i wasn't talking from my perspective. My 183cm friend told me that he felt short and others said to me he is on the shorter side. That has nothing to do with me being short and therefore not understanding height differences. My dad is 180cm but he is considered short by others. He doesn't look short to me but if i objectively compare him to other Dutch men he is. So the statement is not influenced by my own height, which is why your argument that my height influences my statement on height is wrong.

How am I coping? I established a reasonable cause to doubt your anecdotal claims on Dutch height, cited official sources for the actual male average height there by the Dutch government, expressed some doubt about that too due to being self-reported, and then you started to accuse me of coping. I've seen guys claim they mog at 6'2 there, others say they feel short at 6'3, some say they don't feel special at 6'5, others say they felt average at 5'11, so it's logical to question anecdotal evidence, especially from someone whose perception of heights is further colored not only by psychological but actual physical perception (you never mentioned your dad or friend before btw so don't try to retroactively paint my arguments as applying to that). You're the one trying to inject weird psychological complex stuff into the discussion, I didn't start insulting you until you started to accuse me of coping and insecurity. I even pointed out early on that you have posts where you talk about receiving positive attention from women.

And again, all this talk of empathy, feeling sorry for short guys, accusing me of coping, "projecting my insecurities on men who have it worse than me" etc. when all I did was take a small jab at you after you accused me of coping firmly establishes you as the one projecting and feeling insecure and offended.

 

[orangomango2003]

How am I coping? I established a reasonable cause to doubt your anecdotal claims on Dutch height, cited official sources for the actual male average height there by the Dutch government, and then you started to accuse me of coping. I've seen guys claim they mog at 6'2 there, others say they feel short at 6'3, some say they don't feel special at 6'5, others say they felt average at 5'11, so it's logical to question anecdotal evidence, especially from someone whose perception of heights is further colored not only by psychological but actual physical perception.
Again, you're the one trying to inject weird psychological complex stuff into the discussion, I didn't start insulting you until you started to accuse me of coping an insecurity.

it's very common when someone loses an argument to use personal facts with intend to insult. I understand you're confused because a girl one time called you tall to make you feel better. but it is an average height for a white male aged 20, and even below average in the Netherlands. I stated these facts with an anecdotal example so people with lower IQ can understand better.

If a country is consisting out of 50% white and 50% asian immigrants it is logical, if you want to know the average penis size for white men, to focus on the penis size of the average white male. I myself have 8 inches but let's imagine you had 5.5 inches. If the asian average is 4 inches and the white average is 6 inches that would be a combined average of 5.5 inches. My argument would be that you are below average even though the total average is 5.5 inches, because your competition will be white males.

 

[kanderior]

it's very common when someone loses an argument to use personal facts with intend to insult. I understand you're confused because a girl one time called you tall to make you feel better. but it is an average height for a white male aged 20, and even below average in the Netherlands. I stated these facts with an anecdotal example so people with lower IQ can understand better.

yeah, you're mad and insecure as fuck jfl. I accept your concession.

 

[orangomango2003]

yeah, you're mad and insecure as fuck jfl. I accept your concession.

You did it again!

 

[LooksOrDeath]

2 inches below the average height of your country

 

[LooksOrDeath]

yeah, you're mad and insecure as fuck jfl. I accept your concession.

jfl the clowns you're arguing against

feel bad for you

 

[kanderior]

jfl the clowns you're arguing against

feel bad for you

I know, it's non-NT and a waste of time, especially against such ridiculous claims. He's probably just a kid too. Still working on it.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

I know, it's non-NT and a waste of time, especially against such ridiculous claims. He's probably just a kid too. Still working on it.

Wasn't a jab at you, more like sympathy for dealing with such rotters

 

[Loveland]

anything below 180 is manlet tier in the netherlands.

181.5 mogs!

 

[Deleted member 52566]

every female model EVER is 175-179

no one here is fucking models

 

[Jasonfedele.is_god]

cillian murphy is a known manlet and he has endless tiktok simp videos.
josh hutcherson has a ton too at 5.5 and its a known fact as well, al pacino at 5.7, tom cruise and so on. jfl at the arguement that movies make them look normal ( which they do usually ) as if a fangirl wouldnt find out their height in a single google search.
chadlet can get away with being a true manlet , but IRL a gl manlet is good enough as a niche. most girls will still turn u down, but their looks level is highly variable

Josh hutcherson is an absolute toad and the only reason he has appeal is eye area jaw and personality

 

[Son of gigachad]

Josh hutcherson is an absolute toad and the only reason he has appeal is eye area jaw and personality

are you suggesting that if he was a 5.5 recessed bug eyed autist he would lose his appeal? immensely profound revelation, i will send you the check for my eye surgery due to being temporarily blinded by such illuminating wisdom