What is considered as good frame ? (what size)

[bassfreak]

title , how many cm at least ?

 

[6'4 looksmaxxxer]

It's more about ratios than anything. Clavicule width and pelvis width/limbs length and skull size.It's not about numbers.

 

[bassfreak]

if measured correctly mine is 52 cm and i have wide ribcage

 

[Deleted member 3990]

atleast 80 percentile to be considered good

 

[Deleted member 439]

atleast 80 percentile to be considered good

JFL at my 25th percentile frame

 

[needsolution]

atleast 80 percentile to be considered good

Mfw below female average

 

[Deleted member 3990]

JFL at my 25th percentile frame

this is military measurement

25 percentile could actually be average in the normal human population

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Just be bigger than her

 

[Deleted member 439]

this is military measurement

25 percentile could actually be average in the normal human population

6months ago i was 16inches, now i am at 19
i think when i started lifting i was at 14 dedsrs

 

[Deleted member 1751]

Frame is not just shoulder width but overall size of the body. You can't do " just roid for frame gains". Even if you have top tier fwhr to bideltoid ratio and shoulder width to waist ratio, if you don't have size, you'll look tiny compared to huge frame Gigachads

Look at Jason Mamoa framemogging the entire Chadstice league crew. Everyone in that group are already 90th percentile

 

[Deleted member 3990]

6months ago i was 16inches, now i am at 19
i think when i started lifting i was at 14 dedsrs

Boyo, I cant tell you mine then

 

[Deleted member 439]

Boyo, I cant tell you mine then

jfl what is it? i doubt its worse than me

 

[Deleted member 3990]

jfl what is it? i doubt its worse than me

I cant even do 4 pullups

Guess

 

[Deleted member 439]

I cant even do 4 pullups

Guess

48cm?

 

[Deleted member 3990]

48cm?

53.5 cm bideltoid


my breast muscles even have spacing inbetween lol


I measured by laying down and but 2 water bottles on the side of my shoulders and then measured

maybe this is a bad way of measuring ?

 

[Maxillacel]

60th percentile untrained

 

[Deleted member 439]

53.5 cm bideltoid


my breast muscles even have spacing inbetween lol

i feel like i am measuring wrong because I look quite wide and gymcelled 6'2 guy should probably be more than 25%

 

[Deleted member 3990]

i feel like i am measuring wrong because I look quite wide and gymcelled 6'2 guy should probably be more than 25%

53.5 cm bideltoid


my breast muscles even have spacing inbetween lol


I measured by laying down and but 2 water bottles on the side of my shoulders and then measured

maybe this is a bad way of measuring ?

true

measure in my way, then we could compare

 

[Deleted member 3832]

At least 54 cm.

 

[Deleted member 3593]

Just go off shirt fitting and your look in general. Bideltoid and Biacromial are kinda silly measurements because by that logic the average American frame mogs 99% of people since theyre so fat and wide. In my opinon, and just going off US sizes for shirts which vary slightly, if you're 5'10''-6'0'' and the shoulder seams for a large shirt line up with your biacromial processes or maybe go slightly over it then you have a DOM frame (extremely good frame if you're under 5'10''). Above 6 or maybe 6'1'' you should definitely be filling the shoulder area for an extra large for a DOM frame. Below 5'10'' I guess Mediums. but consider your weight in all of this, if you take two twins are the same exact height with a 30 lb difference the heavier should be much wider. It's really just proprotions theres no cookie cutter way of comparing.

 

[Golden Glass]

60th percentile untrained

Damn Blessed.

Something interesting to note:

If you are at 50th percentile (average for this study),

•To get to 75th percentile, all you’d need is literally 0.87 inch total, or 0.435 inch on each shoulder. Easily attainable through working out, and also attainable on its own through Eppley’s deltoid implants if you’re already gym maxed and can’t gain anymore delt width without roids.

•To get to 95th percentile, you would need to get 2.28 inches total, or 1.14 inches on each shoulder. Attainable through working out and/or deltoid implants and/or clavicle lengthening. That last option should only be considered by those who start of at like 1st to 10th percentile and want to end up in the high 90spercenttile

 

[SurgerySoon]

@bassfreak, who is the guy in your avatar? Insane forward growth

 

[Golden Glass]

Just go off shirt fitting and your frame in general. Bideltoid and Biacromial are kinda silly measurements because by that logic the average American frame mogs 99% of people since theyre so fat and wide. In my opinon, and just going off US sizes for shirts which vary slightly, if you're 5'10''-6'0'' and the shoulder seams for a large shirt line up with your biacromial processes or maybe go slightly over it you're chilling. Above 6 foot you should definitely be filling the shoulder area for an extra large for a DOM frame. Below 5'10'' I guess Mediums. but consider your weight in all of this, if you take two twins are the same exact height with a 30 lb difference the heavier should be much wider. It's really just proprotions theres no cookie cutter way of comparing.

The only problem I can see with shirt fittings is that your traps can take up a bunch of space and make your shirt feel much tighter at the shoulder seams, no?

Also I see no problem with using your bideltoid width. If you either have a very wide head or are carrying fat on your shoulders, then obviously take it into account. It’s useful because it’s an objective measurement like height. There are plenty of people who make look taller or shorter than their real height for a variety of reasons, but we would never say that because of this one should discard the idea of measuring height in feet and inches or centimeters

 

[bassfreak]

@bassfreak, who is the guy in your avatar? Insane forward growth

rico verhoeven
uber chad

 

[Deleted member 3593]

The only problem I can see with shirt fittings is that your traps can take up a bunch of space and make your shirt feel much tighter at the shoulder seams, no?

Yea possibly, it's just one of the better ways of measuring shirt fits bc the biacromial processes area consistent way of gauging your collarbone length which cant be altered. Usually if you go to a really good tailor or suit place they'll measure from that bony part to the other to determine your jacket size for example. But like I said in the end it's all just proportionate everyone is a different height and weight. Like someone said Arnold was a 23.5 inch bideltoid but some fatass rapper has a 26 inch bideltoid (forgot his name)

 

[Golden Glass]

Yea possibly, it's just one of the better ways of measuring shirt fits bc the biacromial processes area consistent way of gauging your collarbone length which cant be altered. Usually if you go to a really good tailor or suit place they'll measure from that bony part to the other to determine your jacket size for example. But like I said in the end it's all just proportionate everyone is a different height and weight. Like someone said Arnold was a 23.5 inch bideltoid but some fatass rapper has a 26 inch bideltoid (forgot his name)

Just go off shirt fitting and your frame in general. Bideltoid and Biacromial are kinda silly measurements because by that logic the average American frame mogs 99% of people since theyre so fat and wide. In my opinon, and just going off US sizes for shirts which vary slightly, if you're 5'10''-6'0'' and the shoulder seams for a large shirt line up with your biacromial processes or maybe go slightly over it you're chilling. Above 6 foot you should definitely be filling the shoulder area for an extra large for a DOM frame. Below 5'10'' I guess Mediums. but consider your weight in all of this, if you take two twins are the same exact height with a 30 lb difference the heavier should be much wider. It's really just proprotions theres no cookie cutter way of comparing.

Also I see no problem with using your bideltoid width. If you either have a very wide head or are carrying fat on your shoulders, then obviously take it into account.

It’s useful because it’s an objective measurement like height. There are plenty of people who may look taller or shorter than their real height for a variety of reasons (like being very fat or thin), but we would never say that because of this, one should discard the idea of measuring height in feet and inches or centimeters

 

[Deleted member 3593]

Also I see no problem with using your bideltoid width. If you either have a very wide head or are carrying fat on your shoulders, then obviously take it into account.

It’s useful because it’s an objective measurement like height. There are plenty of people who may look taller or shorter than their real height for a variety of reasons (like being very fat or thin), but we would never say that because of this, one should discard the idea of measuring height in feet and inches or centimeters

Yeah fair enough it's just I remember seeing posts on Lookism.net about people getting discouraged and being labeled as "framecel" bc the average american is obese and have massive bideltoid measurements vs the lean gymmer who has a much lower bideltoid but looks better obviously. but srs arnold has 23.5 bideltoids and I've seen alot of people on here and lookism.net saying they have 22 inch bideltoids and claiming they dont look big or wide.

 

[Golden Glass]

Yeah fair enough it's just I remember seeing posts on Lookism.net about people getting discouraged and being labeled as "framecel" bc the average american is obese and have massive bideltoid measurements vs the lean gymmer who has a much lower bideltoid but looks better obviously.

Those PSLers are idiots then lmao. Anyone who would feel ashamed for having a better body but a thinner bideltoid than an obese person should look turn off their laptop and take a stroll outside to the average American grocery store to see how delusional this thinking is.

I remember there was a thread of someone mirin hard some megaobese man’s bideltoid at his local super market. Think he even took pictures of him JFL

 

[Deleted member 3789]

A good frame is wide

 

[Deleted member 2846]

If you have long clavicles and small waist you have a good frame.

 

[Golden Glass]

If you have long clavicles and small waist you have a good frame.

With large rib cage being the cherry on top (not necessary if you gymmax but definitely a positive)

 

[Deleted member 2846]

With large rib cage being the cherry on top (not necessary if you gymmax but definitely a positive)

How can I tell if I have a large rib cage?

 

[Golden Glass]

How can I tell if I have a large rib cage?

What’s your rib cage circumference and how old are you?

 

[Deleted member 2846]

What’s your rib cage circumference and how old are you?

if i measured corrected (an inch under nipples) i got 35in at 19

 

[Golden Glass]

if i measured corrected (an inch under nipples) i got 35in at 19

Sadly can’t find averages but either you have a disproportionately narrow one for your height or I have a disproportionately large one for my height. I’m 5’10 and before I started expanding it was a little over 37.5

For some reason I thought you were like 22. At our age, rib cage expansion is still possible:

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165483401&page=1

https://www.t-nation.com/training/ribcage-expansion-fact-or-fiction

In a few months I gained over an inch (and I’ve lost weight).

Obviously your rib cage “width” would be more important then rib cage “depth”. But you’d need calipers or something to measure, and expanding seems to grow both depth and width. And even if you just increase in depth, that’s still a huge frame boost in 3 dimensions, Which is how people in the real world see us. From a 3/4 profile, a huge rib cage with armor like pecs bolted on top look insane on a narrow waist.

PS: Of course rib cage isn’t everything, Jon Skywalker had a very narrow one in his before pics.

 

[Deleted member 2846]

Sadly can’t find averages but either you have a disproportionately narrow one for your height or I have a disproportionately large one for my height. I’m 5’10 and before I started expanding it was a little over 37.5

For some reason I thought you were like 22. At our age, rib cage expansion is still possible:

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165483401&page=1

https://www.t-nation.com/training/ribcage-expansion-fact-or-fiction

In a few months I gained over an inch (and I’ve lost weight).

Obviously your rib cage “width” would be more important then rib cage “depth”. But you’d need calipers or something to measure, and expanding seems to grow both depth and width. And even if you just increase in depth, that’s still a huge frame boost in 3 dimensions, Which is how people in the real world see us. From a 3/4 profile, a huge rib cage with armor like pecs bolted on top look insane on a narrow waist.

PS: Of course rib cage isn’t everything, Jon Skywalker had a very narrow one in his before pics.

Are you gymcelling? Idk if it matters but I’m kinda underweight at 145 at 6’

Spoiler: pic

 

[Deleted member 3593]

Those PSLers are idiots then lmao. Anyone who would feel ashamed for having a better body but a thinner bideltoid than an obese person should look turn off their laptop and take a stroll outside to the average American grocery store to see how delusional this thinking is.

I remember there was a thread of someone mirin hard some megaobese man’s bideltoid at his local super market. Think he even took pictures of him JFL

yea exactly it's just dumb.

Are you gymcelling? Idk if it matters but I’m kinda underweight at 145 at 6’

Spoiler: pic

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DOM frame

 

[Golden Glass]

Are you gymcelling? Idk if it matters but I’m kinda underweight at 145 at 6’

Spoiler: pic

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I’m still cutting but I plan to properly gymcel afterwards.
Your waist seems very narrow, that’s good.
Do you know your bideltoid? I ask because if it’s actually narrow, it will look massive after building muscle on your small waist

 

[Deleted member 2846]

I’m still cutting but I plan to properly gymcel afterwards.
Your waist seems very narrow, that’s good.
Do you know your bideltoid? I ask because if it’s actually narrow, it will look massive after building muscle on your small waist

Yeah I have a 29” waist. My bideltoid is like ~20in. Give or take half an inch.

 

[Golden Glass]

Yeah I have a 29” waist. My bideltoid is like ~20in. Give or take half an inch.

That’s exactly what I would’ve guessed. Mine before any working out when I was skinny was like 18.5

So don’t worry about your narrow rib cage the bideltoid halos you’re frame, and you can still expand your ribcage.

If you can get to a 22 inch bideltoid with a 29 inch waist, you will look insane. Anything more than that and doubly so.

With that waist you’ll look like spike spiegel lmao

 

[diggbicc]

atleast 80 percentile to be considered good

just got my biacromial measure by my tailor at 17.5", what would be an estimate of my bideltoid roughly? Didn't ask him to measure cuz didn't want to seem like a sperg jfl

 

[Deleted member 3990]

just got my biacromial measure by my tailor at 17.5", what would be an estimate of my bideltoid roughly? Didn't ask him to measure cuz didn't want to seem like a sperg jfl

22 maybe, according to the percentiles

 

[diggbicc]

22 maybe, according to the percentiles

 

[MassacredMyBoy]

atleast 80 percentile to be considered good

I have a 99th percentile biacromial width, but a bideltoid width of 20.25 in. How tf does this happen and what does it mean?

 

[faggotchadlite]

title , how many cm at least ?

80th percentile untrained lol

 

[Deleted member 18325]

My frame is 51cm. WTF, i have massive frame.

 

[Deleted member 25743]

Over for my hipcel frame