What is the reason rap COMPLETELY took over rock. Not just in 1990 but 2010.

[Deleted member 19944]

always wondering

 

[Orc]

humans progressively became more retarded and thus started to prefer music that reflects that.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

In the United States, young people are more minority-heavy than previous generations. White people were always the main audience for rock music. That partially explains it.

I think I read a statistic that on Spotify, the share of people listening to rock and heavy metal music has stayed the same for years and years, but despite that, the mainstream refuses to promote new rock and metal music. I don't think this is just market forces at work. I think (((producers))) basically murdered the emo/scene subculture in particular.

 

[Deleted member 20519]

Tbh rock music became cringe

 

[Deleted member 19944]

In the United States, young people are more minority-heavy than previous generations. White people were always the main audience for rock music. That partially explains it.

I think I read a statistic that on Spotify, the share of people listening to rock and heavy metal music has stayed the same for years and years, but despite that, the mainstream refuses to promote new rock and metal music. I don't think this is just market forces at work. I think (((producers))) basically murdered the emo/scene subculture in particular.

when was emo/ scene murdered?

and do you think it was just because of nonwhites gaining power. even though the audience is still the same they wanted whites to be completely irrelevant for new young people.

 

[Prettyboy]

I’d attribute two major reasons for it.

Firstly, as a genre, rock has matured in it’s life cycle hence it got broken into 150 types of subgenres, which makes it hard to have an uniform aesthetic.

Secondly, rap music doesn’t need a whole band with instruments and can be made very cheaply by anyone

 

[Deleted member 19944]

I’d attribute two major reasons for it.

Firstly, as a genre, rock has matured in it’s life cycle hence it got broken into 150 types of subgenres, which makes it hard to have an uniform aesthetic.

Secondly, rap music doesn’t need a whole band with instruments and can be made very cheaply by anyone

yeah but why did rap become so appealing that people would never pursue rock?

probably because you have so many ugly nonwhties in it you can be an average white and get into it.

Most rockstars are so white circle based you NEED to be in the elite white osmosis.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

mainstream vanilla rock is cheesy and boring + rap requires little talent compared to other genres

 

[Deleted member 19944]

In the United States, young people are more minority-heavy than previous generations. White people were always the main audience for rock music. That partially explains it.

I think I read a statistic that on Spotify, the share of people listening to rock and heavy metal music has stayed the same for years and years, but despite that, the mainstream refuses to promote new rock and metal music. I don't think this is just market forces at work. I think (((producers))) basically murdered the emo/scene subculture in particular.

why did the jews do it

 

[Africancel]

Rap beat rock where it was the best at: the misic your parents didn’t want you to listen. Even anarchists satanic heavy metal felt tame compared to 90’s rap with nigga putting tec 9’s in people ass and rapping about raping jesus. And yeah rock matured as a genre too, evolving into dozens of sub genres. Even if the number of listeners didn’t change throughout the year, the audience is so fractured that it’s really not possible to be mainstream.

 

[Gandy]

In the United States, young people are more minority-heavy than previous generations. White people were always the main audience for rock music. That partially explains it.

I think I read a statistic that on Spotify, the share of people listening to rock and heavy metal music has stayed the same for years and years, but despite that, the mainstream refuses to promote new rock and metal music. I don't think this is just market forces at work. I think (((producers))) basically murdered the emo/scene subculture in particular.

This is the right answer. Metal and rock just don't appeal to most hispanics or black youth. They have a heavy 'boomer' stigma and there are extremely few role models to look up to (yeah, there is Lenny Kravitz but he's 60 years old).

Much of the younger generation (compared to the % their parents make up of the general population) are non-white.

Non-white folk tend to only listen to R&B and hiphop/rap, as a larger trend.

Hell, they'd listen 4 times more likely to gospel music than Led Zeppelin.

Compare to whites. About half of whites would rather listen to Led Zeppelin. And very few of them like rap.
It's the polar opposite of the African American graph!

Unfortunately, the music scene in the US is very politicized. Your skin color largely reflects your cultural tastes. It doesn't mean some black folk don't like classic rock or metal, or some white folk don't like rap. But these are the larger trends.

 

[Deleted member 19944]

This is the right answer. Metal and rock just don't appeal to most hispanics or black youth. They have a heavy 'boomer' stigma and there are extremely few role models to look up to (yeah, there is Lenny Kravitz but he's 60 years old).

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Much of the younger generation (compared to the % their parents make up of the general population) are non-white.

Non-white folk tend to only listen to R&B and hiphop/rap, as a larger trend.

Hell, they'd listen 4 times more likely to gospel music than Led Zeppelin.

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Compare to whites. About half of whites would rather listen to Led Zeppelin. And very few of them like rap.
It's the polar opposite of the African American graph!

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Unfortunately, the music scene in the US is very politicized. Your skin color largely reflects your cultural tastes. It doesn't mean some black folk don't like classic rock or metal, or some white folk don't like rap. But these are the larger trends.

Why is it boomery to be into rock you think. Just feels big tough in an out loud kind of way and not deep passionate symbolic and secretive like rap?

Why do you think there’s an aversion nonwhites have to metal. Psychologically

 

[Deleted member 13710]

when was emo/ scene murdered?

and do you think it was just because of nonwhites gaining power. even though the audience is still the same they wanted whites to be completely irrelevant for new young people.

Emo/scene was murdered when Brokencyde's "FreaXX," arguably the worst song of all time, was released. It was part of the "crunkcore" movement. Look at the music video and listen to the music: It was an (((attempt))) to mix screamo, which was popular with white teens at the time, with rap, which was popular with nonwhites. Crunkcore was a short-lived failure. Despite the financial success of emo/screamo, (((producers))) decided that if it didn't appeal to nonwhites, it wasn't worth supporting.

For your second question, the answer is unequivocally yes.

Rap beat rock where it was the best at: the misic your parents didn’t want you to listen. Even anarchists satanic heavy metal felt tame compared to 90’s rap with nigga putting tec 9’s in people ass and rapping about raping jesus. And yeah rock matured as a genre too, evolving into dozens of sub genres.

This is like an edgy teenager came out of a time capsule from 1998. Nobody is offended by rap anymore. Rap is 100% mainstream. It's everywhere.

Why is it boomery to be into rock you think. Just feels big tough in an out loud kind of way and not deep passionate symbolic and secretive like rap?

Why do you think there’s an aversion nonwhites have to metal. Psychologically

"boomery" doesn't mean anything. It just means that it's unpopular. When you say that "deep passionate symbolic and secretive like rap," you are actually describing rap in the absolute polar opposite of what it actually is. Rap music is present music: It comes from being "present in the moment," thinking about what's happening right now and nothing deeper. Think about the themes of rap: Materialism, relationships, sex, social issues. These are all things that people experience in a straightforward way on a daily basis. The appeal is universal because everyone understands them. It's simple-minded.

Rock music appeals to a deeper, imaginative part of peoples minds. That's why you see bands like Led Zeppelin with fantasy/mythological themes, and Pink Floyd and many others with psychedelic themes. Heavy metal, and extreme metal in particular, take these themes further. It feels good for white people to be imaginative and introspective and to think about things that aren't right in front of them. For black people, "DAT SHIT GAY NIGGA." They have no interest. Introspection feels bad to them. I have heard multiple blacks explicitly say they don't see the point in listening to a sad song. To a white person, that sounds outrageously shallow and pathetic.

RE metal: It is true that most of the biggest metal musicians are white (overwhelmingly), but metal is also huge in South America, so it does appeal to some non-whites.

 

[güss]

it just simply sounds better. there’s more room for creativity too

 

[Deleted member 13710]

it just simply sounds better. there’s more room for creativity too

Nobody who knows anything about music would say that rap music gives you "more room for creativity". That is asinine.

 

[güss]

Nobody who knows anything about music would say that rap music gives you "more room for creativity". That is asinine.

how so? i’m assuming you’re a boomer so you wouldn’t pay much attention to the current rap scene, but there’s been an explosion in styles. rock pales in comparison. but that’s to be expected when most bands are focused on sounding like something that’s been done decades before. you’re coping, my friend.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

how so? i’m assuming you’re a boomer so you wouldn’t pay much attention to the current rap scene, but there’s been an explosion in styles. rock pales in comparison. but that’s to be expected when most bands are focused on sounding like something that’s been done decades before. you’re coping, my friend.

I'm assuming you don't play any instrument, and know nothing about music, so you're just arbitrarily assigning positive traits to rap music.

Rap "styles" are all the same in every meaningful sense. There is no musical intricacy or depth to any of it. There is no education or learning to it, it is just pure instinct, like a toddler banging blocks together.* It is the quintessence of low-IQ music. I'm not in love with traditional rock music, but rock musicians are actual musicians. There is a reason that many rappers have "borrowed" pieces of rock and pop songs, but rock and pop musicians never try to borrow the shitty electronic beats that rappers use. Rap is just shallow, simple, disposable music.

*Don't even try to deny this. I have seen people try their hand at rapping. They just do it, like speaking. It's not anything like picking up an instrument and actually learning about real music.

Your comment reads like a fanboy with nothing to say. "Boomer...explosion in styles...done decades before." There is no substance here. I didn't think your comment was actually worth responding to, but I used it as an excuse to share some more thoughts on the topic.

 

[güss]

I'm assuming you don't play any instrument, and know nothing about music, so you're just arbitrarily assigning positive traits to rap music.

Rap "styles" are all the same in every meaningful sense. There is no musical intricacy or depth to any of it. There is no education or learning to it, it is just pure instinct, like a toddler banging blocks together.* It is the quintessence of low-IQ music. I'm not in love with traditional rock music, but rock musicians are actual musicians. There is a reason that many rappers have "borrowed" pieces of rock and pop songs, but rock and pop musicians never try to borrow the shitty electronic beats that rappers use. Rap is just shallow, simple, disposable music.

*Don't even try to deny this. I have seen people try their hand at rapping. They just do it, like speaking. It's not anything like picking up an instrument and actually learning about real music.

Your comment reads like a fanboy with nothing to say. "Boomer...explosion in styles...done decades before." There is no substance here. I didn't think your comment was actually worth responding to, but I used it as an excuse to share some more thoughts on the topic.

childish of you to assume that all rap styles are equal. further, to dismiss all of it as having no "musical intricacy" or depth is just silly, because i highly doubt you’ve even listened a quarter of the hundreds of styles there are. that’s like me saying that punk rock is stupid and requires little talent, therefore, prog rock, nu metal, black metal, etc are all equally as talentless. how does that make sense?

and no, they are not all the same. you couldn’t even define what makes each style the same, lol. there are different rhythms (some of which are profoundly more complex than you’d find in a rock song, mind you), sound textures, topics, inflections etc used in these styles. just admit it: you’ve never pushed yourself to listen to much music, especially rap music. you’ve heard a handful of shitty rap songs (there are shitty songs in every genre, obviously) and you don‘t bother to because you’re lazy or have some kind of laughable prejudice. did the kids who bullied you back in school blast rap music down the halls? does it trigger your PTSD?

you say that rock musicians are actual musicians; plenty of rappers play instruments and compose their own tracks, too.

your statement about rappers borrowing rap and pop music reveals all of your historical ignorance regarding the genre. certain financial limitations made sampling necessary in hiphop, and the tradition continues today as a nod to its roots. perhaps rock musicians don’t borrow electronic beats from rappers because that’s not what rock is about? it’s about live instrumentation, right? total brainlet comment you made there. then there’s the question of if that would even sound pleasing. its much easier to fit rock instrumentation into a beat than to fit an electronic beat into a rock song.

As for it being disposable music, has it not occurred to you that nearly all popular music is? there’s plenty of underground rap that has deeper meaning. there are plenty of rock and pop songs that are as disposable as toilet paper. another low iq take on your part. ironic for someone who berates supposedly low iq music.

lastly, anyone can try their hand at rapping, just as anyone can try their hand at playing an instrument. you can teach anyone to play a short tune on a piano, it doesnt mean they’re good at playing it. similarly, you can get anyone to string together a few words, but it does not make them a skilled rapper or a poet. it’s not just speaking, you have to actively count bars in your head if you want to be somewhat decent at it. there’s a reason why millions marvel at technically skilled rappers, because it’s not something everyone can do.

you can’t even define what “real” music is. ironically, you claim that there was nothing of substance in my previous comment, but your post can be boiled down to a collection of misinformed, lazy, intellectually dishonest, spiteful jabs against a genre that you’ve never bothered exploring in depth but have quite a lot to say about. and yes, i do play the piano, for several years now. nice try.

keep coping, kid.

 

[2d v2]

hip hop has more room for more sounds

 

[Deleted member 19944]

Emo/scene was murdered when Brokencyde's "FreaXX," arguably the worst song of all time, was released. It was part of the "crunkcore" movement. Look at the music video and listen to the music: It was an (((attempt))) to mix screamo, which was popular with white teens at the time, with rap, which was popular with nonwhites. Crunkcore was a short-lived failure. Despite the financial success of emo/screamo, (((producers))) decided that if it didn't appeal to nonwhites, it wasn't worth supporting.

For your second question, the answer is unequivocally yes.


This is like an edgy teenager came out of a time capsule from 1998. Nobody is offended by rap anymore. Rap is 100% mainstream. It's everywhere.


"boomery" doesn't mean anything. It just means that it's unpopular. When you say that "deep passionate symbolic and secretive like rap," you are actually describing rap in the absolute polar opposite of what it actually is. Rap music is present music: It comes from being "present in the moment," thinking about what's happening right now and nothing deeper. Think about the themes of rap: Materialism, relationships, sex, social issues. These are all things that people experience in a straightforward way on a daily basis. The appeal is universal because everyone understands them. It's simple-minded.

Rock music appeals to a deeper, imaginative part of peoples minds. That's why you see bands like Led Zeppelin with fantasy/mythological themes, and Pink Floyd and many others with psychedelic themes. Heavy metal, and extreme metal in particular, take these themes further. It feels good for white people to be imaginative and introspective and to think about things that aren't right in front of them. For black people, "DAT SHIT GAY NIGGA." They have no interest. Introspection feels bad to them. I have heard multiple blacks explicitly say they don't see the point in listening to a sad song. To a white person, that sounds outrageously shallow and pathetic.

RE metal: It is true that most of the biggest metal musicians are white (overwhelmingly), but metal is also huge in South America, so it does appeal to some non-whites.

Why do you think South America likes it.-Asians enjoy it ofc.

So basically being a regarded jungle immediate it ideal.

Do you think j there’s any truth to mom intellectuals that intelligence is a waste of time?

My dad is 5’6 glasses and actually thinks that way of life is valid Lmao. It posses me off because intelligence is what I try to live for but a small guy with no right to it wants to tell me that j telligencr isn’t worth anything…? I hate that he is so deeply entrenched in ghetto thug etc culture he thinks that all conventional All conventional intelligence is stupid and I was meant to follow my dad as an example? To compensate with depth in the form of a redneck… fuck that.

He goes hardcore I’m being low tier, uneducated and uncultured. But what do you think of country? Isn’t country just rap for boomery whites

 

[Africancel]

This is like an edgy teenager came out of a time capsule from 1998. Nobody is offended by rap anymore. Rap is 100% mainstream. It's everywhere.

Of course something will become mainstream after 50years of existence. I was talking about the 90’s era and why the culture shifted from rock to rap in the youth.

 

[TrestIsBest]

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Wow, that's a long comment to respond to.

childish of you to assume that all rap styles are equal. further, to dismiss all of it as having no "musical intricacy" or depth is just silly, because i highly doubt you’ve even listened a quarter of the hundreds of styles there are.

You have disordered thinking. You don't understand the difference in things that define individual rappers and subgenres, and things that define rap as a whole.

The very things that make rap rap are inherently anti-musical. I am not saying that rap is not music. Obviously it is music, as a category. It just fails to express nearly everything that music is capable of expressing. It doesn't just happen to be shallow, its shallowness is and always has been the appeal of it.

just admit it: you’ve never pushed yourself to listen to much music, especially rap music.

I have listened to far more variety than you have. Nearly every genre of music I have ever encountered (possibly every genre, would have to think about it a bit) has more to offer than rap.

you say that rock musicians are actual musicians; plenty of rappers play instruments and compose their own tracks, too.

If a rapper plays an instrument, it is inherently irrelevant to his rap. Rap is not about skill or discipline or education, it is about "keeping it real" and living in the moment. See the asterisk comment on my first response to you.

your statement about rappers borrowing rap and pop music reveals all of your historical ignorance regarding the genre. certain financial limitations made sampling necessary in hiphop, and the tradition continues today as a nod to its roots.

This is just you making some assertion and trying to sound pompous about it. Repetitive electronic beats are not expensive to make, and most rappers just get their beats from studios anyway.

lastly, anyone can try their hand at rapping, just as anyone can try their hand at playing an instrument.

This is either ignorant or dishonest. If I handed a random person a violin, he couldn't get a single clear note out of it. There are people who study in prestigious university programs and practice 20+ years to play at the highest level. Rap is not like that at all. You can't just do it when it comes to high-level instrumentation.

you can’t even define what “real” music is.

I say that rap isn't musical, not that it isn't music. It's like the difference between saying "that person is an athlete," which is an objective fact, and "that person is athletic," which is subjective. You haven't really made a real case for yourself, you just make vague statements about how broad and musical supposedly is.

and yes, i do play the piano, for several years now. nice try.

keep coping, kid.

So your mommy forced you to learn piano, and you got nothing out of it. Weird flex but ok.

Am I a boomer or am I a kid? You can't even decide on your insults.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Of course something will become mainstream after 50years of existence. I was talking about the 90’s era and why the culture shifted from rock to rap in the youth.

Rap didn't take over in the 90's. It took over in the 2010's.

 

[khvirgin]

how so? i’m assuming you’re a boomer so you wouldn’t pay much attention to the current rap scene, but there’s been an explosion in styles. rock pales in comparison. but that’s to be expected when most bands are focused on sounding like something that’s been done decades before. you’re coping, my friend.

What are you talking about?
there are like a milion of rock subgenres with every influence possible

 

[güss]

What are you talking about?
there are like a milion of rock subgenres with every influence possible

meh. there’s only a handful of styles. much less than rap

 

[khvirgin]

meh. there’s only a handful of styles. much less than rap

lol
there are max 10 hiphop styles
and some of those are even based on locations more than actual musical influences

 

[JBcollector]

Jews

 

[güss]

The very things that make rap rap are inherently anti-musical. I am not saying that rap is not music. Obviously it is music, as a category. It just fails to express nearly everything that music is capable of expressing. It doesn't just happen to be shallow, its shallowness is and always has been the appeal of it.

its shallowness is and always has been the appeal of it? is that why the greatest selling rappers illustrated vivid scenes in their lyrics, taking from personal experiences? you’re just being lazy at this point. nearly all the information in the world is at your fingertips, yet you choose to remain ignorant. that’s sad.

anyways, "everything that music is capable of expressing" is vague (you seem to like speaking in vagueness, probably because of your lack of deeper understanding of what you’re talking about) but, i’ll assume you’re referring to emotions in music. there are rap songs about sadness, joy, triumph, hope, anger, and everything in between. so, how does it fail to express everything music is capable of expressing?

I have listened to far more variety than you have. Nearly every genre of music I have ever encountered (possibly every genre, would have to think about it a bit) has more to offer than rap.

again, a vague, highly subjective statement with nothing to back it up. you’re getting stale at this point. try something else.

not sure why you’d add that you’ve supposedly listened to far more variety when that claim isn’t even verifiable. it does nothing for your point. you’re a silly guy, aren’t you?

If a rapper plays an instrument, it is inherently irrelevant to his rap. Rap is not about skill or discipline or education, it is about "keeping it real" and living in the moment. See the asterisk comment on my first response to you.

rap is about skill, hence why just not anyone can do it without practice. jfl do i have to reiterate the same points to you?

This is just you making some assertion and trying to sound pompous about it. Repetitive electronic beats are not expensive to make, and most rappers just get their beats from studios anyway.

most music is not expensive to make. the reason is…ease of access of technology!! wow!! so, whats your point? lol

and yeah, some get them from studios. i’m sorry, are they supposed to synthesize them from thin air? is that the proper way to do it?

This is either ignorant or dishonest. If I handed a random person a violin, he couldn't get a single clear note out of it. There are people who study in prestigious university programs and practice 20+ years to play at the highest level. Rap is not like that at all. You can't just do it when it comes to high-level instrumentation.

your argument is weak here. it is not difficult to play a single note, unless you’re genuinely retarded. anyone can do it. just as anyone can string together a basic rap.

what the hell are you even saying here? playing a single note is not in the same category as high-level instrumentation…

and similarly to how you just can’t do it when it comes to high-level instrumentation, the average, unskilled person cannot bust out a rhyme on a whim as someone like biggie or kendrick lamar. sorry, not going to happen bud. your weak raps at the lunch table are not of the same caliber.

I say that rap isn't musical, not that it isn't music. It's like the difference between saying "that person is an athlete," which is an objective fact, and "that person is athletic," which is subjective. You haven't really made a real case for yourself, you just make vague statements about how broad and musical supposedly is.

ironic because you’ve yet to refute any of my points. and, you continue to make vague and overly opinionated statements with no backing. it is quite musical. it can be rhythmically complex, abstract, and melodious. again, keep coping.

So your mommy forced you to learn piano, and you got nothing out of it. Weird flex but ok.

you've put more thought into this one sentence than the entirety of your supposed "counter argument"

strange.

Am I a boomer or am I a kid? You can't even decide on your insults.

anyone can possess the mindset of a boomer. come on, you have to be sharper than that.

how about you step up your intellectual efforts, kid? alternatively, you can just concede that rap has musical depth and intricacy, and that it is in fact high IQ music.

most likely, you will keep seething. pity.

 

[güss]

lol
there are max 10 hiphop styles
and some of those are even based on locations more than actual musical influences

just admit youre ignorant to rap but have much to say about it and keep it moving.

 

[khvirgin]

just admit youre ignorant to rap but have much to say about it and keep it moving.

No please list those 100 styles.
I already know what terms you will use, that's why it's funny.

 

[güss]

No please list those 100 styles.
I already know what terms you will use, that's why it's funny.

the fact that you said there are max 10 styles tells me everything i need to know. where are the millions of rock sub genres and influences at? i’m curious

 

[Deleted member 4362]

It sounds better

 

[khvirgin]

the fact that you said there are max 10 styles tells me everything i need to know. where are the millions of rock sub genres and influences at? i’m curious

I asked first my friend, why do you dip?
Hiphop is much more varied than rock so should be easy work, please list 20 of them
Do you need rym?

 

[güss]

I asked first my friend, why do you dip?
Hiphop is much more varied than rock so should be easy work, please list 20 of them
Do you need rym?

for someone who claims there’s a million rock sub genres, i’ve yet to see even 50 listed. i wonder why? probably because you just wanted to get involved in the debate for no good reason.

i’ll help you start: black metal

go on, you can do it!

 

[khvirgin]

for someone who claims there’s a million rock sub genres, i’ve yet to see even 50 listed. i wonder why? probably because you just wanted to get involved in the debate for no good reason.

i’ll help you start: black metal

go on, you can do it!

lol metal?
I didn't even want to list metal subs actually, because you can go with rock genres and styles alone
I can pick metal too? Thought you would say that wouldn't count, that would be too easy then, metal alone has more styles than hiphop

Why don't you just admit what you said it's retarded?
I don't even want to entertain this cringy "my genre is better than yours" but don't say things that are objectively wrong

 

[güss]

lol metal?
I didn't even want to list metal subs actually, because you can go with rock genres and styles alone
I can pick metal too? That would be too easy

Why don't you just admit what you said it's retarded?
I don't even want to entertain this cringy "my genre is better than yours" but don't say things that are objectively wrong

"objectively wrong"…yet…you haven’t proven anything wrong.

if you were actually paying attention, you’d know this isn’t a “my genre is better than yours” situation, it’s about the legitimacy of rap as a musical genre. why are you even engaging in this if you don’t know what’s going on? you’re the wrong person to be throwing the word “retarded” around at this moment.

"that would be too easy"

alright, pal. quickly, refer to your dozens of recycled lists on google! hurry!

but wait, you can go off of rock subs alone, you say.

let’s see then. try not to take too long.

 

[khvirgin]

"objectively wrong"…yet…you haven’t proven anything wrong.

if you were actually paying attention, you’d know this isn’t a “my genre is better than yours” situation, it’s about the legitimacy of rap as a musical genre. why are you even engaging in this if you don’t know what’s going on? you’re the wrong person to be throwing the word “retarded” around at this moment.

"that would be too easy"

alright, pal. quickly, refer to your dozens of recycled lists on google! hurry!

but wait, you can go off of rock subs alone, you say.

let’s see then

I don't care about the legitimacy of rap as a musical genre (which isn't, it's called hiphop)
You used a dumb and wrong argument and I called you out and your whole thing is "no u"

Spoiler: no

rock, noise rock, punk rock, post-punk, alt rock, grunge, hard rock, gothic rock, emo rock, space rock, prog rock, zeuhl, jazz-rock, math rock, post rock, hardcore punk, post-hardcore, screamo, mathcore, shoegaze, psych rock, acid rock, stoner rock, industrial rock, slowcore, blues rock, country rock, rockabilly, folk rock, no wave, funk rock, garage punk, grindcore, crust, mod, surf rock, synth punk, zolo, symphonic rock, pop rock, ska punk, powerviolence...should I go?

I didn't include vague meaningless shit like "art" "experimental", nor geographical terms like "jpop", "krautrock" "deutschpunk" etc, nor very minor styles like oi, c86 etc
Nor any "pre" "neo-" "revival" although everyone considers them genres
Then there are like 25-30 different styles of metal alone

meanwhile you will have to use geographical terms like southern hiphop and lyrical ( ) terms like "conscious" "abstract" "political" and shit like that

Just say you're wrong I don't give a shit about hiphop, I don't even want your list

 

[güss]

I don't care about the legitimacy of rap as a musical genre (which isn't, it's called hiphop)
You used a dumb and wrong argument and I called you out and your whole thing is "no u"

Spoiler: no

rock, noise rock, punk rock, post-punk, alt rock, grunge, hard rock, gothic rock, emo rock, space rock, prog rock, zeuhl, jazz-rock, math rock, post rock, hardcore punk, post-hardcore, screamo, mathcore, shoegaze, psych rock, acid rock, stoner rock, industrial rock, slowcore, blues rock, country rock, rockabilly, folk rock, no wave, funk rock, garage punk, grindcore, crust, mod, surf rock, synth punk, zolo, symphonic rock, pop rock, ska punk, powerviolence...should I go?

I didn't include vague meaningless shit like "art" "experimental", nor geographical terms like "jpop", "krautrock" "deutschpunk" etc, nor very minor styles like oi, c86 etc
Nor any "pre" "neo-" "revival" although everyone considers them genres
Then there are like 25-30 different styles of metal alone

meanwhile you will have to use geographical terms like southern hiphop and lyrical ( ) terms like "conscious" "abstract" "political" and shit like that

Just say you're wrong I don't give a shit about hiphop, I don't even want your list

the funny part is that many of those styles you include are implicitly tied to certain regions, so your point there is moot.

i won’t force you to go on because seeing you scrape for more would be sad and painful.

and yet, here i still stand. not wrong.

have a nice day/night.

 

[khvirgin]

the funny part is that many of those styles you include are implicitly tied to certain regions, so your point there is moot.

i won’t force you to go on because seeing you scrape for more would be sad and painful.

and yet, here i still stand. not wrong.

have a nice day/night.

You're the biggest pseud I have ever seen



It's easy to argue against boomers take like "rappers have no talent" but no so much with people that actually bring factual arguments, eh retard?

I'm not even gonna ask you to name those styles "implictly tied to certain regions" becase you literally pulled that out your ass and now you run away, brutal

 

[güss]

You're the biggest pseud I have ever seen



It's easy to argue against boomers take like "rappers have no talent" but no so much with people that actually bring factual arguments, eh retard?

I'm not even gonna ask you to name those styles "implictly tied to certain regions" becase you literally pulled that out your ass and now you run away, brutal

if you knew shit about rock, you’d know that styles such as hardcore and crust came almost exclusively out of California’s Bay Area, for example. Blues rock, from the south. Country, from the midwest.This is no different from certain styles of rap coming from regions too. but that was pulled from my ass? how do i not even like rock music that much but even i know that. you need to stop rotting on looksmaxx and read more

How low IQ can you be? I’m not even pseud I’m just pushing back against your braindead points (with relative ease, at that). Every time someone calls you out on your bullshit, theyre a retard? Amazing.

Your "arguments" are WORSE than chinlets

gonna keep barking?

 

[khvirgin]

crust came almost exclusively out of California’s Bay Area

Stopped reading here, not even gonna read a single molecule after this, you're legit handicapped
1) crust LITERALLY ORIGINATED IN ENGLAND YOU RETARD, discharge, amebix and antisect are all English
2) you don't understand what geographical even mean, even if what you said was true (Which is OBJECTIVELY wrong) no one would call some british rapper "southern hip hop" dumbass, meanwhile there are crust bands from every part of the word Filth of Mankind (poland) GISM (Japan) Ratos de Porao (Brazil) etc

I don't even have to read the rest now.
You're some 18yo pseud that thinks he knows music because he listened to kendrick lamar and death grips, i'll give you 1/10 for making me mad for a bit, but don't ever talk about music, like ever

bro MF DOOM uses jazz samples
hip hop variety is insane

 

[Bipedal Dog]

In the United States, young people are more minority-heavy than previous generations. White people were always the main audience for rock music. That partially explains it.

I think I read a statistic that on Spotify, the share of people listening to rock and heavy metal music has stayed the same for years and years, but despite that, the mainstream refuses to promote new rock and metal music. I don't think this is just market forces at work. I think (((producers))) basically murdered the emo/scene subculture in particular.

Why would any jew want to kill Emo music

 

[Bipedal Dog]

it just simply sounds better. there’s more room for creativity too

I only listen to rap, but I’m not gonna lie, it’s not creative, aesthetic or intellectual in the slightest

 

[güss]

Stopped reading here, not even gonna read a single molecule after this, you're legit handicapped
1) crust LITERALLY ORIGINATED IN ENGLAND YOU RETARD, discharge, amebix and antisect are all English

Look at you, sperging out because I don’t know all the little details of a genre I don’t give a shit about LOL. Calm down, autist. I’m still right about every other location. You didn’t even know the origins of hardcore, clearly.

2) you don't understand what geographical even mean, even if what you said was true (Which is OBJECTIVELY wrong) no one would call some british rapper "southern hip hop" dumbass, meanwhile there are crust bands from every part of the word Filth of Mankind (poland) GISM (Japan) Ratos de Porao (Brazil) etc

That’s because it isn’t even called southern hip hop anymore, you outdated dumbass. It’s trap rap now, and it’s global, fucking idiot There are trap rappers all the way in China. Another moot point from you.

I don't even have to read the rest now.
You're some 18yo pseud that thinks he knows music because he listened to kendrick lamar and death grips, i'll give you 1/10 for making me mad for a bit, but don't ever talk about music, like ever

You‘re seething because I’m right. Also, I‘ve never bothered with death grips. it’s cringe

bro MF DOOM uses jazz samples
hip hop variety is insane

bro what?

dude they guttural scream in metal…that’s WICKED bro…so much variation

gonna keep barking, or give up, punk? you have no other points left.

 

[khvirgin]

You didn’t even know the origins of hardcore, clearly.

the audacity after saying crust is exclusive of California when is originated in a whole ass different country.

You have a humiliation kink, and I'm not an onlyfans girl, I can't do this for free.

 

[güss]

the audacity after saying crust is exclusive of California when is originated in a whole ass different country.

You have a humiliation kink, and I'm not an onlyfans girl, I can't do this for free.

Running away from the debate like a scared little girl. Keep barking or get out of this thread, you lost son.

 

[khvirgin]

Running away from the debate like a scared little girl. Keep barking or get out of this thread, you lost son.

Anyone can read this exchange and makes his own opinion.
You are not gonna bait me

 

[güss]

Anyone can read this exchange and makes his own opinion.
You are not gonna bait me

Alright. Put your muzzle on, dog. Come with a better argument next time, or dont engage at all.

 

[khvirgin]

Alright. Put your muzzle on, dog. Come with a better argument next time, or dont engage at all.

Your whole argument is calling me a barking dog buddy.
I asked for a list, you dodged and asked the same, I did it and you didn't
You admitted to be wrong about crust with a shitty half assed excuse (I don't care) while trying to act like an expert
You went into trolling mode after getting brutally humiliated
And since trolling mode includes always wanting the last word (which is usually done random ad hominem) ill give it to ya

Remember next time don't bring objective points to a subjective discussion, if someone talks about which man looks better and someone says that 5'6" is a good height because it's average height in the west he's gone get clowned like you