What is wrong with my lower third?

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Just looks so weak and it ruins my front profile.

Compare it to this photo, despite the frontal jaw angle being ass it still looks better somehow.
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(jutting, cheek biting, pushing out my chin)
 
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Narrow chin
 
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your face looks narrow, check your palate size but lower third is 100% narrow which makes it look weak
I tried to measure upper palate width DIY, got it to around 36 mm.

Would palate expansion help much aesthetically? Or should I get implants / buccal fat removal? Also btw is it really that narrow? (My bigonial to bizygomatic width is 83%)
 
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It’s good just lose some weight and maybe consider a genio
 
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Narrow chin and overbite is nerfing it also your bad chin to philtrum ratio might give u the look of a bad chin
My chin to philtrum ratio is actually 2, so not bad. But I get what you mean though it still looks bad (probably cuz long philtrum and recessed chin)
 
well i dont see your whole face so i dont know 100 percent sure but it seems your lower third may be longer than other thirds(could but wrong tho just appears longer than average)
 
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well i dont see your whole face so i dont know 100 percent sure but it seems your lower third may be longer than other thirds(could but wrong tho just appears longer than average)
I have balanced facial thirds so not really. My lower third and upper third are equal, and are slightly longer then my midface. But just slightly
 
It’s not narrow, it fits your face actually. Just a narrow-ish skull in general.

2. pic looks utterly retarded.
 
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It’s good just get to sub 10% bf and maybe consider a genio if you’re recessed
 
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It’s not narrow, it fits your face actually. Just a narrow-ish skull in general.

2. pic looks utterly retarded.
My dad has a somewhat narrow skull, so it’s probably genetic. He still mogs regardless though so I don’t think it matters too much
 
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yes,90 degrees is ideal and yours is maybe 75-80 im guessing
I think I might look better with lower angle though, I don’t want to look like the second picture

Both my dad and brother have lower jaw angles like the first one, but I am a bit downgrown (MPA is 25) which I think is why mine is higher.

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I think I might look better with lower angle though, I don’t want to look like the second picture

Both my dad and brother have lower jaw angles like the first one, but I am a bit downgrown (MPA is 25) which I think is why mine is higher.

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The first/left is the one with a higher frontal angle
 
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The first/left is the one with a higher frontal angle
Shii my bad g
Would ccw bimax raise frontal angle then?

If so; ccw bimax to fix side profile and raise frontal angle + genio to extend recessed chin + maybe a little widening if needed?
 
Shii my bad g
Would ccw bimax raise frontal angle then?

If so; ccw bimax to fix side profile and raise frontal angle + genio to extend recessed chin + maybe a little widening if needed?
Good sollution if youre downgrown,ould have to see the side profile
 
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it’s jaw width and chin shape. ur cheekbones look decent, maybe they just overlap ur jaw

would suggest masseter training or jaw implants. chin implants for more robustness and width could benefit u as well
 
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I tried to measure upper palate width DIY, got it to around 36 mm.

Would palate expansion help much aesthetically? Or should I get implants / buccal fat removal? Also btw is it really that narrow? (My bigonial to bizygomatic width is 83%)
palate expander is better ofc just higher effort than implants
 
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My dad has a somewhat narrow skull, so it’s probably genetic. He still mogs regardless though so I don’t think it matters too much
yeah narrow skull isn’t a death sentence but it’s not ideal either
 
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Would trimax lower this? (I’ll probably get some ccw rotation with it since side is a bit downgrown, my mandibular plane angle is 25)
nah it’s not gonna make ur skull look much wider, maybe just a bit by reducing chin length from the front. actually ur jaw frontal angle looks pretty alright, idk what the other guy is on. you clearly just have narrow skull + bad chin shape + narrow jaw
 
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What's the ideal chin ?
Depends on the person and their features
For example , your philtrum length is very important for chin aesthetics
 
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nah it’s not gonna make ur skull look much wider, maybe just a bit by reducing chin length from the front. actually ur jaw frontal angle looks pretty alright, idk what the other guy is on. you clearly just have narrow skull + bad chin shape + narrow jaw
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Ignore the autistic face, but in this photo I’m straining my face and pushing my chin out (not jutting) to make it look more defined and the angles sharper. I think your right that my frontal angle is decent (could be better though), and rather it’s that I just lack definition and lack sharper angles.

As for hardmaxxing I think I’ll just consult with surgeons and ask them what they think is the best. My side is cooked, so I’m not sure if implants is going to be good enough, even though it would probably ascend the front. (or?)
 
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Ignore the autistic face, but in this photo I’m straining my face and pushing my chin out (not jutting) to make it look more defined and the angles sharper. I think your right that my frontal angle is decent (could be better though), and rather it’s that I just lack definition and lack sharper angles.

As for hardmaxxing I think I’ll just consult with surgeons and ask them what they think is the best. My side is cooked, so I’m not sure if implants is going to be good enough, even though it would probably ascend the front. (or?)
oh if ur side is cooked it’s another story, if u jeed bimax u should always get bimax first before any other hardmaxxes
 
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oh if ur side is cooked it’s another story, if u jeed bimax u should always get bimax first before any other hardmaxxes
Yeah I’ll see what my surgeon says I might be able to pull off like a wrap around jaw implant or something, but most likely I’ll need trimax
 

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