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What is conciousness? What makes you?
Some argue that your brain makes you. That would theoretically a clone of your brain will have the same sentinence.

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This ideaology would mean that a brain scan of your rbain will be "reuploaded" in the future and you will magically come back to life if dead. Quantum mechanics forbids this. This won't allow you to live forever. It's the equivalence of rebuilding a clone of your brain. Your brain is destroyed in the process so you will cease to exist. Instead a replica of you will be created. However, one could argue that if you are more than just the neural connections in your brain, the original you has died multiple times already.
During your lifetime, every atom in your brain will be replaced by some other atom. Yet the structure is preserved, even though the original "you" is long lost.
By this logic, dying and letting someone take a copy of your brain and later reconstruct an identical copy of it would be the same as just living and going through the same process slowly. The only real difference would be the pace.

Of course, one can't really tell if the "original" consciousness would now be a seperate (dead) entity, or if consciousness does not care about the continuity of time (and space), and the original entity would equal to the present entity. After all, you can lose consciousness for a long period of time and snap back into life without thinking of the present you as a mere copy.

The past consciousness will not know it has ceased to exist. Only the present consciousness exists . Be it this or that, by all sense, you have became a different material being multiple times already. Yet, your consciousness remains without caring about any possible blackouts you ahve had or the change in the materials that make it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism is a concept I have been thinking as interesting. After all, I find it very hard to believe that "experience" is rooted in computation. You have the ability to code "happiness" but will the computer feel happy? Or will it only appear so from a third person pov? How exactly is this measurable if further education is required to the system to allow just basic human interaction?

If it is impossible for an electrical computer to feel happiness from the first person perspective, then there something in the atoms, atomic forces, or quantum mechanics that produces subjective experience. I think the subjective experience is a person feeling and being of his own aroms, neurons, and the fabric of reality, rather than just a product of neurons. If this is the case, where does our conciousness begin or end if we are reality experiencing itself? Is the self just an illusion? Some temporary barrier between the infinite?

I also thought Hameroff's standpoint to be interesting, he's using anesthesia's conciousness antagonist properties to find the root of conciousness and he's got a theory of quantum conciousness. His theory is in no way verifiable currently, but all theories of conciousness wont be verifiable for a long time.


This is all mere speculation. The truth is nothing about sentinence can be furthur nvestigated without more research. Ideally we would want to solve aging before then to avoid all this.
 
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I dunno man

I’m just here for the ride
 
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ask me this next time i’m shroomed
 
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You done fucked up my high bro
 
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tldr you can't create clones of your brain. If you do, it will be a clone of you. IF you have died and this clone is created, it is not you, but a near replica. What shapes our minds are the experience we have with it. The brains neurons cannot be copied and pasted with altering time itself.

This si also why likely no matter how much computing power future generations give, a humans brain function will never be repicated.

What I find funny about this is the fact that although something so powerful can emerge from a natural proccess, it has to learn itself the natures of this world. Sentinence is something that is ovserved, not created.
 
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Im here to rope
 
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you won't even remember the point at which you have died. I'd argue that being in pain everyday is better than not existing.
 
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philosophy always feels like pretentious over-analysis to reach the simplest of conclusions

thats cool if it gives you some peace of mind but seems like time could be better spent

tldr consciousness is just a streamline of your mind coping in real-time
 
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way too many words man
 
You die and are reborn each moment. Each moment you are made anew.
Death could just be an illusion, you're born once, what is there to prevent it from happening again from the exact same conditions as before birth, atheistically speaking absolute death.

After death is the same as before birth as there's no you to have any reference point to anything and still you're alive right now.
 
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I'm a wageslave stocking groceries
 
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nattycel
 
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This is actually what I wrote few weeks ago. I had literal same thoughts and wrote it down.
 
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This is actually what I wrote few weeks ago. I had literal same thoughts and wrote it down.
The only way I can cope is that we reach human transcendence after a couple hundred years. During that time, ideally I'd want escape growth velocity to be achieved so I can live very long. Also maybe skin rejuvination trails could be finished by latest in my late 20s(which I can stall my collagen with anti aging products) so I can look forever young
Unfortunately, a similar mindset was onserved in the 90s by "theorists" and any progression still hasn't happened. Kind of sucks.
 
Quite simply, the mind can only be reduced down to the physical. In fact, there is no 'mind', just a brain. Dualism has failed in every attempt to show its truth.

I don't think we can have exact clones of humans, but them lacking conciousness. This is neither conceivable and it assumes the truth of dualism from the start, thus making the argument circular.

So, an exact clone of your brain would have conciousness. Mind uploading? I have absolutely no idea. But I like to think of the brain as machine simular to computers. So maybe yes.
 
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Super good thread. I've always asked myself this
 
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I'm an incel idgaf the human condition can go fuck itself
 
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Actually Did read:feelsyay:
 
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you won't even remember the point at which you have died. I'd argue that being in pain everyday is better than not existing.
Why though?
 
Consciousness is a skewed(serving adaptive purposes, what is adaptively advantageous to perceive doesn't necessarily match reality (in fact simulations show it rarely should to maximize fitness)) representation of reality manifested by your unconscious (you didn't programmed your brain and have little to no understanding of the depth of his programming and content).
 
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Consciousness is a skewed(serving adaptive purposes, what is adaptively advantageous to perceive doesn't necessarily match reality (in fact studies show it rarely should to maximize fitness)) representation of reality manifested by your unconscious (you didn't programmed your brain and have little to no understanding of the depth of his programming and content).
I can smell the French in this post
 
Learning interacting with environment

Some people have better brain integrity than others, which gives rise to individual differences in controlled cognitive activity
 
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Learning interacting with environment

Some people have better brain integrity than others, which gives rise to individual differences in controlled cognitive activity
currymax
Niggerbrained
 
The only way I can cope is that we reach human transcendence after a couple hundred years. During that time, ideally I'd want escape growth velocity to be achieved so I can live very long. Also maybe skin rejuvination trails could be finished by latest in my late 20s(which I can stall my collagen with anti aging products) so I can look forever young
Unfortunately, a similar mindset was onserved in the 90s by "theorists" and any progression still hasn't happened. Kind of sucks.
Were probably gonna die being old. Technology hasn't evolved that far and its gonna take a lotta times.

I found the thread btw


I said you are keep dying everyday in exact same manner of what you wrote in OP.
 
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I'm gonna lie. i read all of that.
 
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Roping Subhuman
 
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Why though?
Because not being in existence is the end.People always say they'll be ready when the time comes, but that's a major cope.
 
 
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Come back Vishnuk
 
If I get 3 likes I will read this
 

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