What is your honest opinion on fake natties and juicers?

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

I respect some fake natties and roid heads. Unlike naive Natty lifters, they are far aware of the limits without hormones and take them in order to get what they want. However some I have absolutely zero respect for people like zyzz, Thurston. Both men scream "all drugs" just by the way they train. Neither could bench 300 IBS despite being on trenbolone. that alone shows they are all drugs with virtually zero foundation. However as I admit this there are men on roids out there who know quite a bit about training and diet. Mike mentzer would be a excellent example. He was very articulate and intellectual with the way he words things. He used the dynamite analogy to promote his HIT training ideology. "Tapping a hammer at it all day long won't do much, but a single, hard blow will set it off. Aim to hit your muscles with that blow." Another thing he said is how does a muscle get bigger? By getting stronger? Or by getting weaker?

Compared to every other man in the 70's, his ideas were like a breathe of fresh air. Arnold, and nubret often trained 2 hours a day 6 days a week. He had the best goal in mind. For once to finally put quality over quantity. However, he took that ideology to the end of the extremes. From doing too much work to not enough work. Of course his physique was more the result of hormones, but I'm saying this because there are a few juicers who are very knowledgeable about training and diet. For the most part you cannot learn how to train from juicers like gironda who promoted very questionable ideas(36 eggs a day, dangerous exercises that can seriously Injure you).

My take is they are based, but if they train like a girl, I have no respect for them.

 

[Deleted member 23974]

muscle

 

[RichardSpencel]

coping gymcels

 

[2d v2]

muscle is pointless if you have good bones but if you are zyzz tier bones you can muscle max and become a club master at the expense of testicular mass. Just dont even bother I got very ripped without roids while aware of the benefits and everything. Men are just lazy and soy and cant do the lifting work that it takes. They go into the gym, lift a 100 pound bar, its too hard, then they go on steroids. Retards.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

muscle is pointless if you have good bones but if you are zyzz tier bones you can muscle max and become a club master at the expense of testicular mass. Just dont even bother I got very ripped without roids while aware of the benefits and everything. Men are just lazy and soy and cant do the lifting work that it takes. They go into the gym, lift a 100 pound bar, its too hard, then they go on steroids. Retards.

Honestly if you cannot do at least 2 plates on the big three, then you don't really have a strong foundation.