What should I do about my lower third (surgerycels get in here)

[Germancel97]

So I know that I'm a recessed subhuman, you don't have to tell me.

I consulted an orthodontist a few weeks ago because of crooked teeth and a shifted bite due to not wearing a retainer after having braces in the past. I asked him about potential jaw surgery and he and his assistant almost laughed and said that I don't need it at all and that it wouldn' be covered by insurance in Germany either.

So he just wants to correct my bite and straighten my teeth with Invisalign for 6500€ and this shit wouln't improve my side profile at all. I actually also have mild TMJ issues from time to time and horrible daytime fatigue at the moment, I did a home sleep study a few months ago and had an AHI of 6,3, so borderline/mild sleep apnea, which the ENT doc didn't see as necessary to treat, but I'm planning to do another study in a sleep lab probably.

It's clear that bimax would make the most sense right, but if I won't be able to get it covered by insurance I would lack the money to pay it myself at the moment and probably also the next 2/3 years . Would a sliding genioplasty or chin wing be an alternative or should I really try to save up for jaw surgery?

Here are the pictures:

 

[enzo]

You are the textbook example of someone that would benefit from BiMax tbh.

 

[enzo]

Would a sliding genioplasty or chin wing be an alternative

No, your chin is not the problem.

 

[Silver]

I did a home sleep study a few months ago and had an AHI of 6,3, so borderline/mild sleep apnea

I've read that sleep apnea symptoms get worse as you age, and that's the case for many. I'd go for bimax as you get both aesthetic and functional benefits from it.

 

[Germancel97]

No, your chin is not the problem.

Yeah that's what I thought, so back to being an incel probably for a few more years in the worst case, unless I win the lottery or some shit, doesn't help at all being 6,2"

Maybe I will get chin fillers then in the meantime

 

[enzo]

Maybe I will get chin fillers then in the meantime

That would just be a waste of money lol, if anything try to grow a beard to hide your recessed lower third till you can afford surgery.

 

[Germancel97]

That would just be a waste of money lol, if anything try to grow a beard to hide your recessed lower third till you can afford surgery.

I can't grow shit unfortunately and I'm a bad responder to minox, also it kills my collagen and causes facial bloat.

Will be hard to cope for much longer, and the constant gaslighting from friends and family that I look normal, lol

 

[Germancel97]

If I would fix my bite and teeth right now I would still have to wear braces nevertheless before jaw surgery right?

 

[Gaia262]

So I know that I'm a recessed subhuman, you don't have to tell me.

I consulted an orthodontist a few weeks ago because of crooked teeth and a shifted bite due to not wearing a retainer after having braces in the past. I asked him about potential jaw surgery and he and his assistant almost laughed and said that I don't need it at all and that it wouldn' be covered by insurance in Germany either.

So he just wants to correct my bite and straighten my teeth with Invisalign for 6500€ and this shit wouln't improve my side profile at all. I actually also have mild TMJ issues from time to time and horrible daytime fatigue at the moment, I did a home sleep study a few months ago and had an AHI of 6,3, so borderline/mild sleep apnea, which the ENT doc didn't see as necessary to treat, but I'm planning to do another study in a sleep lab probably.

It's clear that bimax would make the most sense right, but if I won't be able to get it covered by insurance I would lack the money to pay it myself at the moment and probably also the next 2/3 years . Would a sliding genioplasty or chin wing be an alternative or should I really try to save up for jaw surgery?

Here are the pictures:

Here to help bro, so don't get offended.


Bimax + genioplasty + jaw implant (gonial angle) + custom infraorbital malar implants

Hair looks to be receeding.

Gym max/steroids .

 

[Germancel97]

Here to help bro, so don't get offended.


Bimax + genioplasty + jaw implant (gonial angle) + custom infraorbital malar implants

Hair looks to be receeding.

Gym max/steroids .

Thanks for your advice bro.

Yeah, I definitely want to do Trimax, but I have to find an orthodontist who isn't compeltely bluepilled first and I hope I'm not too high inhib for this.

The implants are a lot more crazy of course, I don't think I actually want to ascend to chad-level, just somewhat attractive and it will take years to be able to afford all of this either way, still a poor med student for probably 4 years.

You're right, hair is receding, taking finasteride for some months so it has actually gotten a little bit better, and will start minox again, lost some ground by stopping.

And gymmaxxing always makes sense, have to be more disciplined there.

 

[Stopping@Nothing19]

Bimax + genioplasty are the biggest surgery ascensions for you and maybe rhinoplasty

 

[.👽.]

Yeah that's what I thought, so back to being an incel probably for a few more years in the worst case, unless I win the lottery or some shit, doesn't help at all being 6,2"

Maybe I will get chin fillers then in the meantime

lol we have almost similar jaws im getting bimax + chinwing + rhinoplasty that's what you also need

 

[Germancel97]

lol we have almost similar jaws im getting bimax + chinwing + rhinoplasty that's what you also need

Aah, you're also a germancel?

Do you have your surgeries planned already?

I know of Dr. Kater and Zarrinbal here, although Kater has really bad reviews recently and the pictures on Zarrinbals website don't impress me too much.

 

[Deleted member 11134]

also dont pay 6500€ for invisalign, I payed 3000€ in germany

 

[.👽.]

Aah, you're also a germancel?

Do you have your surgeries planned already?

I know of Dr. Kater and Zarrinbal here, although Kater has really bad reviews recently and the pictures on Zarrinbals website don't impress me too much.

im with Dr Z.
idk if any other surgeon is doing chinwing. yea my surgery was originally in February but it got cancelled couple times cuz corona

 

[Germancel97]

im with Dr Z.
idk if any other surgeon is doing chinwing. yea my surgery was originally in February but it got cancelled couple times cuz corona

How much is it, heard that he's charging more since too many incels and looksmaxers are coming to him...

 

[.👽.]

How much is it, heard that he's charging more since too many incels and looksmaxers are coming to him...

it's affordable. others want much more

 

[Deleted member 16262]

Imagine needing to visit a doctor to jawmaxx

but i probably need to browridgemaxx and make my nose a little smaller to become the ultate gigachad

ill probably start modelling as well

 

[AlwaysHaveQuestions]

AHI of 6.3 and they laugh at you
@subhuman incel what was your ahi to get socialist bimax?

 

[subhuman incel]

AHI of 6.3 and they laugh at you
@subhuman incel what was your ahi to get socialist bimax?

30 ahi

 

[AlwaysHaveQuestions]

30 ahi

welp from what i mentally stimulate how society would function i dont think insurance does partial coverage. its either you need bimax or not. sucks to be op

 

[TrestIsBest]

welp from what i mentally stimulate how society would function i dont think insurance does partial coverage. its either you need bimax or not. sucks to be op

30 ahi

Could you manipulate this score? Give yourself sleep apnea for the time of the testing basically?

 

[Deleted member 5786]

Here to help bro, so don't get offended.


Bimax + genioplasty + jaw implant (gonial angle) + custom infraorbital malar implants

Hair looks to be receeding.

Gym max/steroids .

Are you sure about malar implants? It looks like his cheekbones are just normal and with malar implants there is big chance he looks like ken doll.
@subhuman incel you have the same maxilla? His cheekbones are normal just like yours, no need for malar implants

 

[subhuman incel]

Are you sure about malar implants? It looks like his cheekbones are just normal and with malar implants there is big chance he looks like ken doll.
@subhuman incel you have the same maxilla? His cheekbones are normal just like yours, no need for malar implants

you want to have malar implants to fill out that area so it doesnt look hollow/recessed compared to the rest of the face. also infra-malar implants imrpove eye area aswell. so its worth it if you have a good surgeon @OldVirgin @Gaia262

 

[Deleted member 5786]

you want to have malar implants to fill out that area so it doesnt look hollow/recessed compared to the rest of the face. also infra-malar implants imrpove eye area aswell. so its worth it if you have a good surgeon @OldVirgin @Gaia262

Show any before and after result
i m very sceptical about this stuff
I think it sounds good in theory but results always bad

 

[subhuman incel]

Show any before and after result
i m very sceptical about this stuff
I think it sounds good in theory but results always bad

look at @Gaia262 before and after results. it also imrpoved his eye area. the surgery made him more masculine if you ignore his nose.

 

[Deleted member 5786]

@subhuman incel you think you need malar implants because of your deformed recessed subhuman-like under eye region?

 

[subhuman incel]

@subhuman incel you think you need malar implants because of your deformed recessed subhuman-like under eye region?

no, i just have to sleep more and the under eye area will imrpove over time

 

[Birdcell]

BiMax , in Germany unfortunately nobody will perform it for mediu reasons , since there are none. And this is not a , but the first poc your side profile looks like the majority of guys imo , and second one , yeah looks recessed , but I would suspect it look this way , only because you turned your head to the right

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Brutal but alteast fixable

 

[Deleted member 3679]

So I know that I'm a recessed subhuman, you don't have to tell me.

I consulted an orthodontist a few weeks ago because of crooked teeth and a shifted bite due to not wearing a retainer after having braces in the past. I asked him about potential jaw surgery and he and his assistant almost laughed and said that I don't need it at all and that it wouldn' be covered by insurance in Germany either.

So he just wants to correct my bite and straighten my teeth with Invisalign for 6500€ and this shit wouln't improve my side profile at all. I actually also have mild TMJ issues from time to time and horrible daytime fatigue at the moment, I did a home sleep study a few months ago and had an AHI of 6,3, so borderline/mild sleep apnea, which the ENT doc didn't see as necessary to treat, but I'm planning to do another study in a sleep lab probably.

It's clear that bimax would make the most sense right, but if I won't be able to get it covered by insurance I would lack the money to pay it myself at the moment and probably also the next 2/3 years . Would a sliding genioplasty or chin wing be an alternative or should I really try to save up for jaw surgery?

Here are the pictures:

I had the same thing here in america with a sleep study, essentially 'mild' sleep apnea but not bad enough to warrant surgery. Go to Italy or Spain and get a bimax as it will only get worse. You look like you need bimax with CCW rotation to fully fix your issues. Right now though get on an anti-hairloss regimen.