What some of you youngcels don't understand about approaching foids as an oldcel

[BadLuck7892]

It's been suggested on here that my problem is that I simply don't approach enough foids (and that I'd get dates/laid more often if only I approached more foids)

Here's the thing: Do I approach very many foids? No, I don't.

That being said, I have a good explanation: Once you're 34, you really don't have very many opportunities to approach foids.

High school and college, you're surrounded by a sea of single foids. At 34, not so much

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

once you're 34 if you aren't balding or have a bear belly, and own furniture in your apartment, you're basically a chad jfl at the middle aged dating market

the dating market you're in mogs the one us youngcels are in

 

[Whatever]

once you're 34 if you aren't balding or have a bear belly, and own furniture in your apartment, you're basically a chad jfl at the middle aged dating market

the dating market you're in mogs the one us youngcels are in

This is not true for everyone, I’m 32 and not balding or fat at all and what little appeal I have is mostly to girls in the 18-22 range. It’s actually gone backwards as I’ve gotten older. Women past 23 or so are harder than even this forum says. Also the competition in some areas is brutal and never lets up and I don’t think people are using the apps as much as even a year or two ago.

But good thread either way. Kids don’t yet know how isolating things are. I get a chance to cold approach a girl I find genuinely attractive (as attractive as my first girl or some of my matches) at the store or gym less than once per month and it’s not even a good chance to. Also I can’t see cold approach working for logistical reasons.

 

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[Klasik616]

It's been suggested on here that my problem is that I simply don't approach enough foids (and that I'd get dates/laid more often if only I approached more foids)

Here's the thing: Do I approach very many foids? No, I don't.

That being said, I have a good explanation: Once you're 34, you really don't have very many opportunities to approach foids.

High school and college, you're surrounded by a sea of single foids. At 34, not so much

I was surrounded by a sea of foids and still got rejected

 

[BadLuck7892]

once you're 34 if you aren't balding or have a bear belly, and own furniture in your apartment, you're basically a chad jfl at the middle aged dating market

the dating market you're in mogs the one us youngcels are in

I suppose I couldn't speak for the current youngcel market (being 34, I'm extremely out of touch with the high school/college market)

All I can say is: Looking back at what the market was like for high schoolers/college males back when I was in high school and college, that market was easy mode compared to the market I'm currently in (a 34 year old autist in 2026)

I don't have a beer belly. I'm balding (but still have a decent enough head of hair). I'm a homeowner. I have a job. I have good looks. Yet I've only had free sex once in the past decade

 

[BadLuck7892]

This is not true for everyone, I’m 32 and not balding or fat at all and what little appeal I have is mostly to girls in the 18-22 range. It’s actually gone backwards as I’ve gotten older. Women past 23 or so are harder than even this forum says. Also the competition in some areas is brutal and never lets up and I don’t think people are using the apps as much as even a year or two ago.

But good thread either way. Kids don’t yet know how isolating things are. I get a chance to cold approach a girl I find genuinely attractive (as attractive as my first girl or some of my matches) at the store or gym less than once per month and it’s not even a good chance to. Also I can’t see cold approach working for logistical reasons.

I'm the reverse (in terms of which age bracket I attract). I tend to attract older.

I was born in the early 90s

My 1 instance of free sex in the past decade was born in 1978.

My 4 dates in the past decade were:

2026, born in 1987

2025, born in 1969

2023, born in 1985

2018, she never said her age, yet context clues would suggest she was approximately 50 years old at the time

As for my advice for you: Apps are worthless. Not saying to delete your app(s). I still have Bumble and Feeld. All I'm saying is don't expect to find anyone on an app (I mainly stay on apps as a just-in-case pipe dream)

None of my dates this past decade came from apps, nor did my 1 instance of free sex this decade

 

[BadLuck7892]

I was surrounded by a sea of foids and still got rejected

I got turned down close to 100% of the time by foids I met through school in my school days (I mainly utilized online methods, which actually worked back then. As for my last post where I said apps are worthless, I was talking about now)

Still, the sea was at least there when you were in school, even if you got turned down. At 34, there is no sea for me

 

[foid_slayr]

It's been suggested on here that my problem is that I simply don't approach enough foids (and that I'd get dates/laid more often if only I approached more foids)

Here's the thing: Do I approach very many foids? No, I don't.

That being said, I have a good explanation: Once you're 34, you really don't have very many opportunities to approach foids.

High school and college, you're surrounded by a sea of single foids. At 34, not so much

Unc get the fuck off the site

 

[looksaresuicide]

It's been suggested on here that my problem is that I simply don't approach enough foids (and that I'd get dates/laid more often if only I approached more foids)

Here's the thing: Do I approach very many foids? No, I don't.

That being said, I have a good explanation: Once you're 34, you really don't have very many opportunities to approach foids.

High school and college, you're surrounded by a sea of single foids. At 34, not so much

Time to take that Thailand trip unc

 

[MixedBoyo12]

Idk what it is about a 30+ year old using the word “foid” that amuses me lol, but I’m always willing to read about experiences from uncs

 

[BadLuck7892]

Unc get the fuck off the site

If I had more options (for dating/free sex), I wouldn't be on here

 

[BadLuck7892]

Time to take that Thailand trip unc

I just looked up what the flight would cost. Over a thousand dollars.

For that price, I could get multiple escort sessions without leaving my bedroom.

I guess what I'm saying is: "Free" sex in Thailand isn't truly free

 

[BadLuck7892]

Idk what it is about a 30+ year old using the word “foid” that amuses me lol, but I’m always willing to read about experiences from uncs

a 34 year old like me (an autistic escortcel) has the same foid-pursuing ability of a 14 year old boy

so we never outgrew talking like a 14 year old boy

 

[Philalethes]

a 34 year old like me (an autistic escortcel) has the same foid-pursuing ability of a 14 year old boy

so we never outgrew talking like a 14 year old boy

I'm 37. Last time I was single, I had three new girls in a month (two from social circle, one from apps). Can't complain as much

 

[BadLuck7892]

I'm 37. Last time I was single, I had three new girls in a month (two from social circle, one from apps). Can't complain as much

You're lucky

Are you an autist?

 

[BadLuck7892]

@hopecel

 

[Herzog]

i agree after high school opportunities slowly start sealing up

meeting women At jobs is a massive cope

 

[BadLuck7892]

i agree after high school opportunities slowly start sealing up

meeting women At jobs is a massive cope

Yeah. Even though @hopecel mentioned getting seduced by an Albanian at work, pursuing cooch at work is a recipe for disaster for autistic men (maybe it's different in Serbia)

 

[InspiredByClav]

It's been suggested on here that my problem is that I simply don't approach enough foids (and that I'd get dates/laid more often if only I approached more foids)

Here's the thing: Do I approach very many foids? No, I don't.

That being said, I have a good explanation: Once you're 34, you really don't have very many opportunities to approach foids.

High school and college, you're surrounded by a sea of single foids. At 34, not so much

Nigga no way your 34 and creepshotting. You know i did one after i read one of your threads and got a warning for it. I thought you were younger aswell so i though nothing of it

 

[Herzog]

Yeah. Even though @hopecel mentioned getting seduced by an Albanian at work, pursuing cooch at work is a recipe for disaster for autistic men (maybe it's different in Serbia)

i wouldnt know about serbia, but high school basically defines you for life, if you had at least one relationship there you will be primed for the future but if you miss out on that options are few and far between

 

[Philalethes]

You're lucky

Are you an autist?

A friend of mine has an autistic child. He's 18. He can't speak, recognize his parents and live without institutional support. After an extensive training and professional help he obtained the ability to draw as good as a three years old and offer his dad - my friend - a draw. My friend, who's a former army guy and national swimming champion - told me this crying out loud while drinking whiskey.

Don't misuse the word.

Unless you're this damaged, you're not Autistic - perhaps you have bad social skills. But many chads I've met had them too - foids just did the Socializing part and mistaken awkwardness and lack of communication abilities for charm and mysteriousness. Social skills are damn important if you're ugly. But it plays as much as a role in it

 

[Xinyue]

That depends entirely on whether you're a deadbeat or rich. If you were rich, you wouldn't have issues. They would seek YOU out, not the other way around.

 

[BadLuck7892]

Nigga no way your 34 and creepshotting. You know i did one after i read one of your threads and got a warning for it. I thought you were younger aswell so i though nothing of it

Being 34 is all the more reason for me to creepshot.

The fact I'm this old and still haven't managed to get consistent access to free cooch has led to a sense of hopelessness that's caused me to become a creepshotter (if I can't get foids, might as well at least creepshot foids)

I became a creepshotter at 33

 

[BadLuck7892]

i wouldnt know about serbia, but high school basically defines you for life, if you had at least one relationship there you will be primed for the future but if you miss out on that options are few and far between

The most I ever did with a foid in high school was flirtatiously play with her hair on the bleachers after school.

She took kindly to it, yet being an autist meant I was incapable of capitalizing on the opportunity

 

[BadLuck7892]

A friend of mine has an autistic child. He's 18. He can't speak, recognize his parents and live without institutional support. After an extensive training and professional help he obtained the ability to draw as good as a three years old and offer his dad - my friend - a draw. My friend, who's a former army guy and national swimming champion - told me this crying out loud while drinking whiskey.

Don't misuse the word.

Unless you're this damaged, you're not Autistic - perhaps you have bad social skills. But many chads I've met had them too - foids just did the Socializing part and mistaken awkwardness and lack of communication abilities for charm and mysteriousness. Social skills are damn important if you're ugly. But it plays as much as a role in it

There are varying degrees of autism. My autism is a lot milder than the example you gave, yet I have an official diagnosis. As an analogy, not everyone with a handicapped license plate is a quadriplegic (the most severe physical handicap), yet that doesn't change the fact they're still physically handicapped.

Plenty of neurotypicals have bad social skills, yeah. Yet autists go beyond merely having bad social skills. Even a mild autist like me is unable to connect with foids because of my social issues that go beyond merely having bad social skills.

A Chad with bad social skills (whether autistic or neurotypical) can still slide through life getting cooch galore because of being a Chad. Even though my looks are above-average, my looks don't meet the required Chad threshold to automatically be given a free pass for bad social skills

 

[BadLuck7892]

That depends entirely on whether you're a deadbeat or rich. If you were rich, you wouldn't have issues. They would seek YOU out, not the other way around.

I come from a very wealthy family, yet I ride 2 buses to work.

Wealthy enough background to be resented by normies, yet such a poor transportation method I'm viewed as bottom-of-the-barrel. Double whammy

 

[Philalethes]

There are varying degrees of autism. My autism is a lot milder than the example you gave, yet I have an official diagnosis. As an analogy, not everyone with a handicapped license plate is a quadriplegic (the most severe physical handicap), yet that doesn't change the fact they're still physically handicapped.

Plenty of neurotypicals have bad social skills, yeah. Yet autists go beyond merely having bad social skills. Even a mild autist like me is unable to connect with foids because of my social issues that go beyond merely having bad social skills.

A Chad with bad social skills (whether autistic or neurotypical) can still slide through life getting cooch galore because of being a Chad. Even though my looks are above-average, my looks don't meet the required Chad threshold to automatically be given a free pass for bad social skills

So, describe me your autism

 

[Philalethes]

That depends entirely on whether you're a deadbeat or rich. If you were rich, you wouldn't have issues. They would seek YOU out, not the other way around.

Sorry, not true. Really not true.

 

[Whatever]

I'm the reverse (in terms of which age bracket I attract). I tend to attract older.

I was born in the early 90s

My 1 instance of free sex in the past decade was born in 1978.

My 4 dates in the past decade were:

2026, born in 1987

2025, born in 1969

2023, born in 1985

2018, she never said her age, yet context clues would suggest she was approximately 50 years old at the time

As for my advice for you: Apps are worthless. Not saying to delete your app(s). I still have Bumble and Feeld. All I'm saying is don't expect to find anyone on an app (I mainly stay on apps as a just-in-case pipe dream)

None of my dates this past decade came from apps, nor did my 1 instance of free sex this decade

I fucked some girls around my age when I was in college and early 20s, and then last year my last slay was 19 (so 12 years younger than me) and I felt like everything was more straightforwards and I had none of the social anxiety or anything. My theory is that NTness matters much more when dealing with foids your own age than in an age gap. Because a big part of NTness is defined by shared experiences and generational metas and not acting these out to a foid your age is bad, but a foid of a different generation doesn't expect you to. If she's younger she can view your non-NT as a "quirky unc" thing or if she's older she can view at as some awkward charm. But same age, no, the means through which you can communicate are damaged.

 

[Philalethes]

Snd

I fucked some girls around my age when I was in college and early 20s, and then last year my last slay was 19 (so 12 years younger than me) and I felt like everything was more straightforwards and I had none of the social anxiety or anything. My theory is that NTness matters much more when dealing with foids your own age than in an age gap. Because a big part of NTness is defined by shared experiences and generational metas and not acting these out to a foid your age is bad, but a foid of a different generation doesn't expect you to. If she's younger she can view your non-NT as a "quirky unc" thing or if she's older she can view at as some awkward charm. But same age, no, the means through which you can communicate are damageD

And a lot of guys believe 19 years old are way harder than thirty something

 

[BadLuck7892]

So, describe me your autism

Let's see.

Off body language.

Off vocal tone.

Off facial expression.

Off eye contact.

Difficulty picking up on cues.

Even if I pick up on a cue that a foid wants me, I lack the social ability to capitalize on the opportunity.

See, I go beyond merely having bad social skills

 

[BadLuck7892]

Snd

And a lot of guys believe 19 years old are way harder than thirty something

My last date was with a 38 year old.

No way could I get a date with a 19 year old

 

[Philalethes]

Let's see.

Off body language.

Off vocal tone.

Off facial expression.

Off eye contact.

Difficulty picking up on cues.

Even if I pick up on a cue that a foid wants me, I lack the social ability to capitalize on the opportunity.

See, I go beyond merely having bad social skills

Can you force eye contact?
Can you force vocal time?
Can you behave as if everything was a cue?
To some extent, PUA was made for guys like you. It's "connection 101" for people who haven't got the ability to.

 

[Philalethes]

Let's see.

Off body language.

Off vocal tone.

Off facial expression.

Off eye contact.

Difficulty picking up on cues.

Even if I pick up on a cue that a foid wants me, I lack the social ability to capitalize on the opportunity.

See, I go beyond merely having bad social skills

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[Whatever]

Can you force eye contact?
Can you force vocal time?
Can you behave as if everything was a cue?
To some extent, PUA was made for guys like you. It's "connection 101" for people who haven't got the ability to.

What you’re describing might help someone who’s socially or maybe psychologically divergent, but autistics are neurologically divergent. The difference is in the brain and the nervous system throughout the body. It’s all measurably developmentally delayed. For instance autistics have underdeveloped connections between the brain and the vocal cords, so faking anything is much more audibly obvious than when a neurotypical does it.

Also a woman can approach a guy because she likes how he looks but then get the ick at his voice/speech and nope out, I’ve had this happen several times.

Faking anything doesn’t work and is effectively impossible. Drugs and heavy exposure therapy can help though, they have for me, but as OP said in the beginning getting enough exposure can be very difficult.

 

[Philalethes]

What you’re describing might help someone who’s socially or maybe psychologically divergent, but autistics are neurologically divergent. The difference is in the brain and the nervous system throughout the body. It’s all measurably developmentally delayed. For instance autistics have underdeveloped connections between the brain and the vocal cords, so faking anything is much more audibly obvious than when a neurotypical does it.

Also a woman can approach a guy because she likes how he looks but then get the ick at his voice/speech and nope out, I’ve had this happen several times.

Faking anything doesn’t work and is effectively impossible. Drugs and heavy exposure therapy can help though, they have for me, but as OP said in the beginning getting enough exposure can be very difficult.

I hadn't heard the word "neurodivergent" until a couple years ago. I guess it came with the idea that anyone to be normal,.makes them instantly boring so you have to have something, which not only becomes your personality, but also your limitation to overcome.
People should point out to normality.

I had a friend who had a serious OCD type mental issue and got hospitalized several times. Even though he had and does have all those issues, he would never tell the truth, making euphemisms and excuses for his time outside the grid, for the underlying condition he did suffer from.
Back in the day, mental issues weren't glamourized to the point that people who did have them, tried to hide them. Nowadays everyone wants neurodivergency as it makes you special. Doesn't help anybody

 

[Lefty Rankin]

It's been suggested on here that my problem is that I simply don't approach enough foids (and that I'd get dates/laid more often if only I approached more foids)

Here's the thing: Do I approach very many foids? No, I don't.

That being said, I have a good explanation: Once you're 34, you really don't have very many opportunities to approach foids.

High school and college, you're surrounded by a sea of single foids. At 34, not so much

Ever heard of going outside?

 

[BadLuck7892]

Can you force eye contact?
Can you force vocal time?
Can you behave as if everything was a cue?
To some extent, PUA was made for guys like you. It's "connection 101" for people who haven't got the ability to.

No, eye contact and vocal tone can't be forced.

It's not as simple as "behave like everything was a cue"

There are various types of cues (and different ways you're supposed to act depending on the cue)

As for pickup artistry, I tried it at 23. The most it ever got me was some foid who ended up giving me her number and coming over, yet then comparing me to Jeffrey Dahmer when she was at my place (there wasn't so much as a kiss, let alone sex)

 

[BadLuck7892]

What you’re describing might help someone who’s socially or maybe psychologically divergent, but autistics are neurologically divergent. The difference is in the brain and the nervous system throughout the body. It’s all measurably developmentally delayed. For instance autistics have underdeveloped connections between the brain and the vocal cords, so faking anything is much more audibly obvious than when a neurotypical does it.

Also a woman can approach a guy because she likes how he looks but then get the ick at his voice/speech and nope out, I’ve had this happen several times.

Faking anything doesn’t work and is effectively impossible. Drugs and heavy exposure therapy can help though, they have for me, but as OP said in the beginning getting enough exposure can be very difficult.

I'm better at flirting now than I used to be (from sheer exposure)

Yet taking it beyond flirting, that's one thing I'm not cut out for neurologically (for the reasons you mentioned)

 

[BadLuck7892]

I hadn't heard the word "neurodivergent" until a couple years ago. I guess it came with the idea that anyone to be normal,.makes them instantly boring so you have to have something, which not only becomes your personality, but also your limitation to overcome.
People should point out to normality.

I had a friend who had a serious OCD type mental issue and got hospitalized several times. Even though he had and does have all those issues, he would never tell the truth, making euphemisms and excuses for his time outside the grid, for the underlying condition he did suffer from.
Back in the day, mental issues weren't glamourized to the point that people who did have them, tried to hide them. Nowadays everyone wants neurodivergency as it makes you special. Doesn't help anybody

It might be trendy for NT teens to claim neurodivergence for attention.

Yet an actual neurodivergent 34 year old man like me is viewed as creepy for acting neurodivergent when pursuing foids.

I'm somewhat open about my OCD in real life now (as there's enough societal acceptance of OCD now compared to my younger days)

Autism, on the other hand, is still too stigmatized. I hide my autism diagnosis in real life

 

[BadLuck7892]

Ever heard of going outside?

I ride public transport to work. I'm out of the home plenty.

Yet I still haven't gotten laid for free in 5 years

 

[Lefty Rankin]

I ride public transport to work. I'm out of the home plenty.

Yet I still haven't gotten laid for free in 5 years

Then that's your fault. You gotta talk to the ones you see.

"Hey bitch. Get off them fucking headphones! I'm talking to you now."

 

[BadLuck7892]

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Foids have no reason to hate being autistic. Autistic foids (even fat/ugly autistic foids) can get laid easier than a skinny male autist with decent looks like me

 

[Whatever]

I hadn't heard the word "neurodivergent" until a couple years ago. I guess it came with the idea that anyone to be normal,.makes them instantly boring so you have to have something, which not only becomes your personality, but also your limitation to overcome.
People should point out to normality.

I had a friend who had a serious OCD type mental issue and got hospitalized several times. Even though he had and does have all those issues, he would never tell the truth, making euphemisms and excuses for his time outside the grid, for the underlying condition he did suffer from.
Back in the day, mental issues weren't glamourized to the point that people who did have them, tried to hide them. Nowadays everyone wants neurodivergency as it makes you special. Doesn't help anybody

Right, the term autism has been abused beyond all meaning. Real autistics are diagnosed as children because of developmental delays that can’t be faked or misread. But because it’s a developmental thing and autistics can make a lot of progress later in life, some don’t wanna talk about it as a way of moving on. Completely opposite process of the “self diagnosed” bullshit.

The term neurodivergent is on its way to getting nullified too. So going forwards I prefer the term PDD, pervasive developmental disorder/delay. Because the developmental chronology is the defining thing.

 

[BadLuck7892]

Right, the term autism has been abused beyond all meaning. Real autistics are diagnosed as children because of developmental delays that can’t be faked or misread. But because it’s a developmental thing and autistics can make a lot of progress later in life, some don’t wanna talk about it as a way of moving on. Completely opposite process of the “self diagnosed” bullshit.

The term neurodivergent is on its way to getting nullified too. So going forwards I prefer the term PDD, pervasive developmental disorder/delay. Because the developmental chronology is the defining thing.

I got a diagnosis as a kid

 

[Philalethes]

Right, the term autism has been abused beyond all meaning. Real autistics are diagnosed as children because of developmental delays that can’t be faked or misread. But because it’s a developmental thing and autistics can make a lot of progress later in life, some don’t wanna talk about it as a way of moving on. Completely opposite process of the “self diagnosed” bullshit.

The term neurodivergent is on its way to getting nullified too. So going forwards I prefer the term PDD, pervasive developmental disorder/delay. Because the developmental chronology is the defining thing.

Don't let it define it bro. It's what this forum is all about

 

[Philalethes]

Foids have no reason to hate being autistic. Autistic foids (even fat/ugly autistic foids) can get laid easier than a skinny male autist with decent looks like me

I agree with it except for it is a real disease

 

[Philalethes]

It might be trendy for NT teens to claim neurodivergence for attention.

Yet an actual neurodivergent 34 year old man like me is viewed as creepy for acting neurodivergent when pursuing foids.

I'm somewhat open about my OCD in real life now (as there's enough societal acceptance of OCD now compared to my younger days)

Autism, on the other hand, is still too stigmatized. I hide my autism diagnosis in real life

How can someone stigmatize it if you don't tell them you suffer from it?

 

[Philalethes]

No, eye contact and vocal tone can't be forced.

It's not as simple as "behave like everything was a cue"

There are various types of cues (and different ways you're supposed to act depending on the cue)

As for pickup artistry, I tried it at 23. The most it ever got me was some foid who ended up giving me her number and coming over, yet then comparing me to Jeffrey Dahmer when she was at my place (there wasn't so much as a kiss, let alone sex)

Try it further