What surgeon to go to for Bimax surgery in EU? (Or get implants instead?)

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I have like a max budget of 10K euros. I went to Dr. Joel Defrancq but people here say a lot of negative stuff about him.

During our consultation, he was very kind and made a few jokes. He did come off like a typical old boomer but not that bad. He also made a morph of how it's supposed to look like and I really liked it, even though there were a few things that still needed to be fixed afterward (chin implant + nose job). But it looked like a realistic result with around 1cm forward growth.

His diagnosis was that my face has too little forward growth, and it needs to be brought forward. Furthermore, there is canting that needs to be fixed. I asked him about my asymmetric eyes and smile, and he said that those don't really matter and that my face will look more symmetric after the jaw surgery to the point that the eyes won't be noticeable, and that an asymmetric smile isn't ugly but more of a personal trait that can look rather good.

I really like Dr. Paul Coceancig's work and he looks like a nice, blackpilled guy aswell. However, he seems expensive and I won't get any insurance money if I do it outside of Europe. Defrancq estimated the cost to be around 6/7 K Euros.

Any looksmaxx users that got Bimax surgery from somewhere else? Where did you go to and do you recommend them? Who are the best maxillofacial surgeons in Europe?

Or should I just get rhinoplasty and a chin implant?

Thanks in advance
 
How do you expect anyone to tell you what to do? Show some pictures at least
 
Just go to local surgeon and get it for free
 
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How do you expect anyone to tell you what to do? Show some pictures at least
It's clear that I need DJS after going on different consults. I'm just unsure where I should get it.
 
Ramieri
Pegoni
Defranq
Zarrinbal
The Russian guy (if you can enter with the boycotts JFL)
In Austria there are a few.
 
Ramieri
Pegoni
Defranq
Zarrinbal
The Russian guy (if you can enter with the boycotts JFL)
In Austria there are a few.
You sure about Defrancq? I hear mixed stuff and his before/after s are also very mixed :/.

Cases that I think aren't really that successful:

Cases that are very good:

It seems like he can only make people look good if they had a good base.

Do you know what happened to @Sal123 ?
 
You sure about Defrancq? I hear mixed stuff and his before/after s are also very mixed :/.

Cases that I think aren't really that successful:

Cases that are very good:

It seems like he can only make people look good if they had a good base.

Do you know what happened to @Sal123 ?
I don't know what happened to Sal. What happened?
Personally, I got bad experiences with Defranq. He seems a decent surgeon. He suddenly dropped me as a patient when he 2 weeks earlier said I was surgery ready. Didn't pay for anything yet tough. Only for a few consults.
 
Ramieri
Pegoni
Defranq
Zarrinbal
The Russian guy (if you can enter with the boycotts JFL)
In Austria there are a few.
Is pagnoni good at bimax like blackpilled enough? I want to go to him for Infra also is defiance blackpilled?
 
Is pagnoni good at bimax like blackpilled enough? I want to go to him for Infra also is defiance blackpilled?
Seems to produce good results. One person got dogpiled from pagoni and wanted to kill himself.
Not sure what you mean by defiance. Defranq? Some users like myself got bad experiences with Defranq. Got a few good results like another one posted here.
 
Seems to produce good results. One person got dogpiled from pagoni and wanted to kill himself.
Not sure what you mean by defiance. Defranq? Some users like myself got bad experiences with Defranq. Got a few good results like another one posted here.
Yes defeancq he seems cheaper so didn’t know if he did good bimax/genio/cow rotation/PEEK/Chin wing or is he just gonna botch me
 

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