What surgeries make most sense for me to ascend? Included pics

[Deleted member 249387]

Marpe the lefort or 3 piece segmental

no nigga a regualr lefort u ask for a lefort 3 and the doctors just laugh thats for people with medical issues it is highly impractical to be done cosmetically

 

[Deleted member 327005]

Ok so the 3 that come to mind would be orbital rim augmentation to fix vertical optical dystopia - this is where ur eyes are asymmetrical because one eye sits higher/lower than the other. This is not to be confused with orbital box ostetomy which is way more extreme. Rim augmentation is basically just using an implant to canofljage the assymetry.

2. Some kind of jaw surgery like a lefort to correct narrow lower third

3. Rhinoplasty focusing on the tip of my nose to make it harmonize with my other features more.

I am conflicted about the orbital thing because I was speaking to a guy some kind of looksmaxxing influencer called wando and he said that jaw surgery would correct the eye assymetry because my jaw is crooked and that actually I wouldn’t need orbital implants if I just corrected the jaw. I will post a screenshot of our conversation to show what I mean, I’m not sure how right he is on this. I also have a crossbite where my top teeth don’t sit straight on the bottom teeth, this is also what the guy wando was referring to about the whole crooked jaw thing. I know this was a lot of info so I really appreciate any help I just want a clear plan for where to start surgically

asymmetry is terrible

 

[Soter]

Do u not think any kind of orbital augmentation to fix the eye asymmetry? It’s hard to know how much of a flaw that is in other eye’s

yeah but imo its better to fix the low hanging fruit first

 

[tyler1234]

no nigga a regualr lefort u ask for a lefort 3 and the doctors just laugh thats for people with medical issues it is highly impractical to be done cosmeticall

i didn’t say lefort 3 , can u read ?

 

[unaiav25]

asymmetry is terrible

Which surgeries make sense for me then

 

[unaiav25]

So like what rhino hair and orbital rim augmentation? I have been told that if I get jaw surgery that should come before anything as u don’t want like a nose job and then a jaw surgery it could mess it up. The jaw is like a foundation type thing

yeah but imo its better to fix the low hanging fruit first

 

[unaiav25]

I need an iqlet like @vermicel do give me his insights

 

[Soter]

So like what rhino hair and orbital rim augmentation? I have been told that if I get jaw surgery that should come before anything as u don’t want like a nose job and then a jaw surgery it could mess it up. The jaw is like a foundation type thing

i doubt that you need jaw surgery unless your crossbite can't be fixed otherwise. The lack of hair is your biggest failo, you actually look half-decent in this pic:

the hair and beard manage to hide the asymmetry well. Regarding your eyes, you need orbital box osteotomy to fix the dystopia but realistically you won't get it and will have to cope with other things

 

[unaiav25]

i doubt that you need jaw surgery unless your crossbite can't be fixed otherwise. The lack of hair is your biggest failo, you actually look half-decent in this pic:
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the hair and beard manage to hide the asymmetry well. Regarding your eyes, you need orbital box osteotomy to fix the dystopia but realistically you won't get it and will have to cope with other things

I don’t need orbital box ostetomy bro. Honestly look into this.

Plastic Surgery Case Study - Comprehensive Vertical Orbital Dystopia Correction With A Six Step Approach - Explore Plastic Surgery

Comprehensive vertical orbital dystopia correction requires a combined bony and soft tissue approach for the orbital bone and the eyelids and eyebrows.

exploreplasticsurgery.com

It just requires an orbital implant. Nowhere near as drastic as a OBO. Giant also said it could be fixed with implant in a post I made in this site last year

https://looksmax.org/threads/vertical-optical-dystopia-should-i-get-orbital-rim-augmentation.1414378/

Do u not think jaw surgery would benefit even if it’s not a flaw? And a rhino surely would right?

 

[GetSumPuss]

you just need a small rhino and upper eyelid fat grafting , you have a good base

 

[unaiav25]

you just need a small rhino and upper eyelid fat grafting , you have a good base

What does the upper eyelid grafting too? Is to make my eyes more hooded so less eyelid shows?

 

[unaiav25]

Bump

 

[unaiav25]

Bump

 

[Ogionth]

Ok so the 3 that come to mind would be orbital rim augmentation to fix vertical optical dystopia - this is where ur eyes are asymmetrical because one eye sits higher/lower than the other. This is not to be confused with orbital box ostetomy which is way more extreme. Rim augmentation is basically just using an implant to canofljage the assymetry.

2. Some kind of jaw surgery like a lefort to correct narrow lower third

3. Rhinoplasty focusing on the tip of my nose to make it harmonize with my other features more.

I am conflicted about the orbital thing because I was speaking to a guy some kind of looksmaxxing influencer called wando and he said that jaw surgery would correct the eye assymetry because my jaw is crooked and that actually I wouldn’t need orbital implants if I just corrected the jaw. I will post a screenshot of our conversation to show what I mean, I’m not sure how right he is on this. I also have a crossbite where my top teeth don’t sit straight on the bottom teeth, this is also what the guy wando was referring to about the whole crooked jaw thing. I know this was a lot of info so I really appreciate any help I just want a clear plan for where to start surgically

Ok so the 3 that come to mind would be orbital rim augmentation to fix vertical optical dystopia - this is where ur eyes are asymmetrical because one eye sits higher/lower than the other. This is not to be confused with orbital box ostetomy which is way more extreme. Rim augmentation is basically just using an implant to canofljage the assymetry.

2. Some kind of jaw surgery like a lefort to correct narrow lower third

3. Rhinoplasty focusing on the tip of my nose to make it harmonize with my other features more.

I am conflicted about the orbital thing because I was speaking to a guy some kind of looksmaxxing influencer called wando and he said that jaw surgery would correct the eye assymetry because my jaw is crooked and that actually I wouldn’t need orbital implants if I just corrected the jaw. I will post a screenshot of our conversation to show what I mean, I’m not sure how right he is on this. I also have a crossbite where my top teeth don’t sit straight on the bottom teeth, this is also what the guy wando was referring to about the whole crooked jaw thing. I know this was a lot of info so I really appreciate any help I just want a clear plan for where to start surgically

Unfortunately, no, correcting your jaw won't correct your eye assymetry.

Rhinoplasty
Dut + Hair Transplant to get back to norwood 1 and have ideal upper third length.
Upper eyelid fat grafting

As for your eye asymmetry yeah, orbital floor/rim augmentation can fix it but I wouldn't recommend it now, only if you had like 500K USD laying around because there's better things (more ROI) that you can do rn, 3 of which, I have stated above..

 

[Ogionth]

Unfortunately, no, correcting your jaw won't correct your eye assymetry.

Rhinoplasty
Dut + Hair Transplant to get back to norwood 1 and have ideal upper third length.
Upper eyelid fat grafting

As for your eye asymmetry yeah, orbital floor/rim augmentation can fix it but I wouldn't recommend it now, only if you had like 500K USD laying around because there's better things (more ROI) that you can do rn, 3 of which, I have stated above..

HM - do the DIY pneumo teeth whitening guide from BOTB for under 100£

 

[unaiav25]

Unfortunately, no, correcting your jaw won't correct your eye assymetry.

Rhinoplasty
Dut + Hair Transplant to get back to norwood 1 and have ideal upper third length.
Upper eyelid fat grafting

As for your eye asymmetry yeah, orbital floor/rim augmentation can fix it but I wouldn't recommend it now, only if you had like 500K USD laying around because there's better things (more ROI) that you can do rn, 3 of which, I have stated above..

Unfortunately, no, correcting your jaw won't correct your eye assymetry.

Rhinoplasty
Dut + Hair Transplant to get back to norwood 1 and have ideal upper third length.
Upper eyelid fat grafting

As for your eye asymmetry yeah, orbital floor/rim augmentation can fix it but I wouldn't recommend it now, only if you had like 500K USD laying around because there's better things (more ROI) that you can do rn, 3 of which, I have stated above..

Thanks man. Fixing the assymetry thing aside, do u think a jaw surgery of any kind would benefit me? Like even if jaw isn’t my biggest weakness do u think that it could still ascend me more? Kind of like how clav already has a decent jawline and yet is planning a jaw surgery?

And in regards to the eye thing i agree but is there no possibility that it should be done first as like otherwise maybe my harmony gets all messed up if i do the smaller stuff and then get the implants? - if u get what i mean. Like it’s hard to know if there’s a correct order with this stuff

 

[Ogionth]

Thanks man. Fixing the assymetry thing aside, do u think a jaw surgery of any kind would benefit me? Like even if jaw isn’t my biggest weakness do u think that it could still ascend me more? Kind of like how clav already has a decent jawline and yet is planning a jaw surgery?

No, it won't, by a major degree.

Clav is not really reliable when it comes to looksmaxxing in general, I would not even consider his words unless they're about pharmacology, that's something he's more reliable in • although still not entirely.

And in regards to the eye thing i agree but is there no possibility that it should be done first as like otherwise maybe my harmony gets all messed up if i do the smaller stuff and then get the implants? - if u get what i mean. Like it’s hard to know if there’s a correct order with this stuff

Gave you the correct order, the things I mentioned should be your first priority.

Eye correction would be the very end, may not even after these 3.

 

[unaiav25]

No, it won't, by a major degree.

Clav is not really reliable when it comes to looksmaxxing in general, I would not even consider his words unless they're about pharmacology, that's something he's more reliable in • although still not entirely.

Gave you the correct order, the things I mentioned should be your first priority.

Eye correction would be the very end, may not even after these 3.

No, it won't, by a major degree.

Clav is not really reliable when it comes to looksmaxxing in general, I would not even consider his words unless they're about pharmacology, that's something he's more reliable in • although still not entirely.

Gave you the correct order, the things I mentioned should be your first priority.

Eye correction would be the very end, may not even after these 3.

Thank you. I really do appreciate this. Can I just ask do u think I have decent potential? Let’s say I lean max and then get those procedures done, and they’re well executed. Where’s my ceiling at? I have a weird relationship with my own appearance. Certain elements of my face I like but it feels like the negative issue,I.e bulbous nose, certain aspects of my eyes, are very bad, so it kind of cancels out the good features and the whole harmony is thrown off significantly. Do you think these procedures could be life changing for me?

No, it won't, by a major degree.

Clav is not really reliable when it comes to looksmaxxing in general, I would not even consider his words unless they're about pharmacology, that's something he's more reliable in • although still not entirely.

Gave you the correct order, the things I mentioned should be your first priority.

Eye correction would be the very end, may not even after these 3.

Thank you. I really do appreciate this. Can I just ask do u think I have decent potential? Let’s say I lean max and then get those procedures done, and they’re well executed. Where’s my ceiling at? I have a weird relationship with my own appearance. Certain elements of my face I like but it feels like the negative issue,I.e bulbous nose, certain aspects of my eyes, are very bad, so it kind of cancels out the good features and the whole harmony is thrown off significantly. Do you think these procedures could be life changing for me?

 

[Ogionth]

Thanks man. . I really do appreciate this. Can I just ask do u think I have decent potential? Let’s say I lean max and then get those procedures done, and they’re well executed. Where’s my ceiling at? I have a weird relationship with my own appearance. Certain elements of my face I like but it feels like the negative issue,I.e bulbous nose, certain aspects of my eyes, are very bad, so it kind of cancels out the good features and the whole harmony is thrown off significantly. Do you think these procedures could be life changing for me?

Once you get these done, and they go well, you'll be at a point where, you might think you're not goodlooking somedays, but you won't ever think that you're truly ugly.

Each surgery is life-changing for someone who's truly blackpilled, how much do you hate those flaws? The more you hate them, the more you'd love the change.

 

[unaiav25]

Once you get these done, and they go well, you'll be at a point where, you might think you're not goodlooking somedays, but you won't ever think that you're truly ugly.

Each surgery is life-changing for someone who's truly blackpilled, how much do you hate those flaws? The more you hate them, the more you'd love the change.

im defo not a fan of my nose. I think subconciously i do a lot of my selfies at an angle to kind of disguise it. I feel like it messes with harmony. Regarding my eyes, the symetry thing aside, I've never minded my eyes too much. Its mainly like the eyelids I feel giv e akind of bug/sleepy look - would the eyelid grafting address that sufficiently u think?? the actual shape of them I feel are masculine, and somebody once said theyre neutral to positive tilted which is good. U mentioned eyelid grafting and others have suggested 'supra and infra orbital grafting' -would u suggest those as well as the eyelid, for me? chatGPT says they are 3 distinct procedures. Thanks again.

 

[Ogionth]

im defo not a fan of my nose. I think subconciously i do a lot of my selfies at an angle to kind of disguise it. I feel like it messes with harmony. Regarding my eyes, the symetry thing aside, I've never minded my eyes too much. Its mainly like the eyelids I feel giv e akind of bug/sleepy look - would the eyelid grafting address that sufficiently u think??

Yep.

the actual shape of them I feel are masculine, and somebody once said theyre neutral to positive tilted which is good.

Correct

U mentioned eyelid grafting and others have suggested 'supra and infra orbital grafting' -would u suggest those as well as the eyelid, for me? chatGPT says they are 3 distinct procedures. Thanks again.

Supraorbital grafting is just another way that people refer to a procedure where a fat graft is injected in such a way that the upper eyelid show is decreased.

They're not distinct procedures.

 

[unaiav25]

Yep.

Correct

Supraorbital grafting is just another way that people refer to a procedure where a fat graft is injected in such a way that the upper eyelid show is decreased.

They're not distinct procedures.

But would u also consider the infra part of it as well so I get both sorted in one go? Prolly makes sense to do both and others have mentioned infra grafting as well.

Would u happen to know any other high IQ users that could give me their insights as well? You’ve been super helpful and trying to build as much of a consensus as possible.

 

[Ogionth]

But would u also consider the infra part of it as well so I get both sorted in one go? Prolly makes sense to do both and others have mentioned infra grafting as well.

Would u happen to know any other high IQ users that could give me their insights as well? You’ve been super helpful and trying to build as much of a consensus as possible.

The price increase is not by a lot when doing 1 vs both together so yea it's fine to do infras as well but it wouldn't prodcue a high roi, I mentioned what was necessary which is supraorbital

The users that wanted to give you advice have already done so. Not many good users in the server, although so take every word with a grain of salt or verify the reliability of whoever gives you advice and look into things for yourself.

 

[mohito]

Here are my recommendations:

-Supraorbital implants. They can increase your eye aspect ratio and significantly improve the aesthetics of ur eye area.

-Alar base reduction and commissuroplasty. Both procedures can help increase your mouth/nose ratio. Alar base red reduces nostril width without being as complicated as a full rhino.

Both your midface ratio and lower third proportions don’t seem to be that bad, so i don’t think u really need any orthognathic intervention. However, you could consider simple orthodontics to fix your teeth tho

 

[unaiav25]

Here are my recommendations:

-Supraorbital implants. They can increase your eye aspect ratio and significantly improve the aesthetics of ur eye area.

-Alar base reduction and commissuroplasty. Both procedures can help increase your mouth/nose ratio. Alar base red reduces nostril width without being as complicated as a full rhino.

Both your midface ratio and lower third proportions don’t seem to be that bad, so i don’t think u really need any orthognathic intervention. However, you could consider simple orthodontics to fix your teeth tho

Thank you. Alar bridge reduction seems a necessity for me. Others have suggested infra k supra orbital fat grafting would these ascend my eye area sufficiently without having to go for supra orbital implants like y said?

If I get these surgeries executed well how much do u think my face would improve? Do I have a lot of potential in ur opinion?

 

[mohito]

Thank you. Alar bridge reduction seems a necessity for me. Others have suggested infra k supra orbital fat grafting would these ascend my eye area sufficiently without having to go for supra orbital implants like y said?

If I get these surgeries executed well how much do u think my face would improve? Do I have a lot of potential in ur opinion?

If all goes as planned its safe to say that you’ll reach lhtn

 

[monecel]

You have some similar issues to me actually.

Your bite is not optimal and your mouth is narrow, it should touch the iris so it isn't wide enough. The crossbite is also visible from the front.

I'm thinking you could get a lefort I to fix the cross-bite plus make it multi-segment to increase palate width and mouth width. From what I can tell your palate is a bit narrow so this should make sense.

Your mandible is actually decently developed but you lack androgenicity in other parts of your face. PEEK infraorbital-malar implants and upper eyelid fat grafting would ascend your periorbital region.

The other important thing you can change is your facial bloating/fat. You could try ultrasonic cavitation or some other method to make yourself leaner.

One other thing people miss is eyelash density/length, you look like you could definitely benefit from more. Consider oral minodixil and topical bimatoprost.

Just realised looking over the pics that a segmented lefort was already recommended lmao

 

[unaiav25]

You have some similar issues to me actually.

Your bite is not optimal and your mouth is narrow, it should touch the iris so it isn't wide enough. The crossbite is also visible from the front.

I'm thinking you could get a lefort I to fix the cross-bite plus make it multi-segment to increase palate width and mouth width. From what I can tell your palate is a bit narrow so this should make sense.

Your mandible is actually decently developed but you lack androgenicity in other parts of your face. PEEK infraorbital-malar implants and upper eyelid fat grafting would ascend your periorbital region.

The other important thing you can change is your facial bloating/fat. You could try ultrasonic cavitation or some other method to make yourself leaner.

One other thing people miss is eyelash density/length, you look like you could definitely benefit from more. Consider oral minodixil and topical bimatoprost.

Just realised looking over the pics that a segmented lefort was already recommended lmao

Thank you. Wouod u recommend any kind of palate expansion, like FME? It seems like many jaw surgery recipients start off with palate expansion before then moving onto jaw surgery, but others have said to me that palate expansion isn’t necessarily worth it if you’re purely after aesthetic improvements.
Wouldn’t FME fix crossbite? What would the lefort do that the palate expansion wouldn’t that’s important for me? Just wanna know because some people have said I don’t need any kind of jaw work.

I’ll look into the infraorbital implants, I’ve had quite a fair few suggestions of infra & supra orbital grafting - would that not be sufficient for the eye area?

Also, what is ur take on a rhino for me? That is probably the most agreed upon suggestion I’ve had so far, specificsllly alar bridge.

Let’s say I got all these procedures done by top surgeons and they were well executed, so you think I have good potential?

 

[monecel]

Thank you. Wouod u recommend any kind of palate expansion, like FME? It seems like many jaw surgery recipients start off with palate expansion before then moving onto jaw surgery, but others have said to me that palate expansion isn’t necessarily worth it if you’re purely after aesthetic improvements.
Wouldn’t FME fix crossbite? What would the lefort do that the palate expansion wouldn’t that’s important for me? Just wanna know because some people have said I don’t need any kind of jaw work.

I’ll look into the infraorbital implants, I’ve had quite a fair few suggestions of infra & supra orbital grafting - would that not be sufficient for the eye area?

Also, what is ur take on a rhino for me? That is probably the most agreed upon suggestion I’ve had so far, specificsllly alar bridge.

Let’s say I got all these procedures done by top surgeons and they were well executed, so you think I have good potential?

A segmented lefort would avoid increasing the width of your nose and also can be performed in the same operation as the typical maxillary advancement included in a lefort.

infraorbital grafting could work though I like the reliability of preconceived design for implants.

For rhino it's an option but you could also do something like plasma fibroblasts, though it won't create any major change.

And you have decent potential yes

 

[GetSumPuss]

What does the upper eyelid grafting too? Is to make my eyes more hooded so less eyelid shows?

less upper eyelid exposure , maybe it can drop your eyebrows more but it's more of a side effect rather than a desired outcome

 

[unaiav25]

less upper eyelid exposure , maybe it can drop your eyebrows more but it's more of a side effect rather than a desired outcome

Do u think I would have good improvement with the eyelid stuff, rhino & hair transplant. Obviously that’s all soft tissue so if I could really improve aesthetically just with those, and not have to do anything like a jaw surgery that would be ideal

 

[unaiav25]

@RealSurgerymax what surgeries wihld ascend me, do u think? Is soft tissue work sufficient?

 

[unaiav25]

bump

 

[jester]

Ok so the 3 that come to mind would be orbital rim augmentation to fix vertical optical dystopia - this is where ur eyes are asymmetrical because one eye sits higher/lower than the other. This is not to be confused with orbital box ostetomy which is way more extreme. Rim augmentation is basically just using an implant to canofljage the assymetry.

2. Some kind of jaw surgery like a lefort to correct narrow lower third

3. Rhinoplasty focusing on the tip of my nose to make it harmonize with my other features more.

I am conflicted about the orbital thing because I was speaking to a guy some kind of looksmaxxing influencer called wando and he said that jaw surgery would correct the eye assymetry because my jaw is crooked and that actually I wouldn’t need orbital implants if I just corrected the jaw. I will post a screenshot of our conversation to show what I mean, I’m not sure how right he is on this. I also have a crossbite where my top teeth don’t sit straight on the bottom teeth, this is also what the guy wando was referring to about the whole crooked jaw thing. I know this was a lot of info so I really appreciate any help I just want a clear plan for where to start surgically

dutasteride+minoxidil
hydrogen peroxide for teeth
supraorbital fat grafting
that’s it tbh

 

[unaiav25]

dutasteride+minoxidil
hydrogen peroxide for teeth
supraorbital fat grafting
that’s it tbh

Do u not think a rhino would benefit? That’s probably been the most suggested so far. Cheers

 

[jester]

Do u not think a rhino would benefit? That’s probably been the most suggested so far. Cheers

i mean maybe to reduce the bulbousness
also a lip lift would be alright

 

[unaiav25]

bump

 

[unaiav25]

Bump

 

[unaiav25]

@vermicel please help brooo

 

[deloox]

your main issues are very poor infraorbital/ midface support, bulbous nose tip and your hair/ forehead situation.

Implants:
Infraorbital and maybe even supraorbital to fix eyebags and upper eyelid exposure (don’t worry too much about minor asymmetry, although it can be addressed with theee implants)
Midface implants
Optionally jaw angle implants to fix narrow lower third.

Also get rhinoplasty for tip

What are you even doing contemplating surgery if you haven’t even fixed your tan and receding hairline

If I were you I probably wouldnt do bimax, it’s a very uncomfortable surgery and although you probably would look better, you could fix your main issues with just implants

 

[unaiav25]

your main issues are very poor infraorbital/ midface support, bulbous nose tip and your hair/ forehead situation.

Implants:
Infraorbital and maybe even supraorbital to fix eyebags and upper eyelid exposure (don’t worry too much about minor asymmetry, although it can be addressed with theee implants)
Midface implants
Optionally jaw angle implants to fix narrow lower third.

Also get rhinoplasty for tip

What are you even doing contemplating surgery if you haven’t even fixed your tan and receding hairline

If I were you I probably wouldnt do bimax, it’s a very uncomfortable surgery and although you probably would look better, you could fix your main issues with just implants

Do u think I could do well with just rhinoplasty and infra & supra orbital fat grafting instead of implants? Wouldn’t fat grafting achieve mostly the same thing?

 

[GetSumPuss]

Do u think I would have good improvement with the eyelid stuff, rhino & hair transplant. Obviously that’s all soft tissue so if I could really improve aesthetically just with those, and not have to do anything like a jaw surgery that would be ideal

Yep , there’s not much you can do other than soft tissue since you’re not really recessed and you don’t lack bone mass

 

[unaiav25]

Yep , there’s not much you can do other than soft tissue since you’re not really recessed and you don’t lack bone mass

Do u think soft tissue work could truly ascend me? How much would rhino and fat grafting for orbitals improve me? Are these obvious flaws that are affecting my looks significantly on an otherwise solid base (in terms of jaw ect)

 

[cctslbz]

Do u think soft tissue work could truly ascend me? How much would rhino and fat grafting for orbitals improve me? Are these obvious flaws that are affecting my looks significantly on an otherwise solid base (in terms of jaw ect)

I didn’t read the whole thing i only saw the pics but for base
They’ll give you a palate expander if you’re narrow palated plus braces to align the teeth then they can work up and i suggest getting braces and aligning teeth before and that’s what they ll prob tell you

Jaw surgeryes for lower third and middle third
Zygo implants if you want crazy striking results
Orbital box osteotomy you have close set eyes
Tissue work for eyebrows , uee , etc
Lip filler
and rhino maybe with the jaw surgeryes
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