what would you choose

[2s2f]

If you were forced to choose, would you rather gain 20 IQ points but lose 3 inches of height, or lose 20 IQ points but gain 3 inches of height?

 

[2s2f]

gotta mention I stole this from r/shortguys from here

 

[AppealGod123]

gain 20 iq lose 3 inches

 

[Pony]

jesus

 

[johnbon]

If you were forced to choose, would you rather gain 20 IQ points but lose 3 inches of height, or lose 20 IQ points but gain 3 inches of height?

IQ isnt fixed you can raise it by 20 with habits, gimme that height…
Id rather be a chad downie

 

[Eyelet]

probably gain iq and still be 6'5

 

[2s2f]

bump

 

[Knifezombie]

I’m not that tall but I'm still growing so ill choose gain 20 iq and loose 3 inches cause I’m really stupid

 

[2s2f]

bump

 

[2s2f]

bump

 

[Outlander]

2nd option

 

[Tyler1]

Lose 20iq and gain 3 inches I would be lowkey retarded (85iq)

 

[2s2f]

bump

 

[2s2f]

bump

 

[Topkra]

100 iq is not that bad
I'll take the height

 

[m1graine]

Gain 20 iq and later in live just get leg lengthening surgery and gain the height back

 

[Ghost Philosophy]

Neither.

 

[Trevor Wonter]

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jesus

nigga gonna become so smart he'll finally realize to kill himself

 

[diditeverbegin]

IQ isnt fixed you can raise it by 20 with habits, gimme that height…
Id rather be a chad downie

20 points with habits is impossible

 

[iwannasleeponurlap]

dont know my iq but people say im smart so second

 

[johnbon]

20 points with habits is impossible

Wrong. I work in the medical field, did research throughout college on it. Sick and tired of mongoloids like you blabbing lies.

The brain in essence is a muscle faggot
Sources:
The Flynn Effect (Flynn, 1984, 2009)
Training Fluid Intelligence (Jaeggi et al., 2008)
Desirable Difficulties (Bjork & Bjork, 1994, 2011)

Faggot nigger

 

[diditeverbegin]

Wrong. I work in the medical field, did research throughout college on it. Sick and tired of mongoloids like you blabbing lies.

The brain in essence is a muscle faggot
Sources:
The Flynn Effect (Flynn, 1984, 2009)
Training Fluid Intelligence (Jaeggi et al., 2008)
Desirable Difficulties (Bjork & Bjork, 1994, 2011)

Faggot nigger

Flynn Effect is generational and it’s only 3 points every 10 years
The second source makes no mention of a 20 point boost in IQ, the results aren’t in IQ points
The third source makes no mention of IQ at all
The last two sources are about enhancing performance through learning which does correlate with IQ but no increase in IQ is needed to learn and improve at a task

Twins studies like this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2889158/ and Bouchard & Lykken (1990) demonstrate how highly heritable IQ is and so does the Wilson Effect

How Much Does Education Improve Intelligence? A Meta-Analysis - PMC

Intelligence test scores and educational duration are positively correlated. This correlation could be interpreted in two ways: Students with greater propensity for intelligence go on to complete more education, or a longer education increases ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This paper found the highest difference in IQ before and after testing to be about 6 points, but the various standard error values for each test created a wide margin. It’s additionally interesting that in the paper above the power of the test when examining the results of three treatments was 99% which could result in increasing false positives.
@Bryce

 

[Bryce]

Flynn Effect is generational and it’s only 3 points every 10 years
The second source makes no mention of a 20 point boost in IQ, the results aren’t in IQ points
The third source makes no mention of IQ at all
The last two sources are about enhancing performance through learning which does correlate with IQ but no increase in IQ is needed to learn and improve at a task

Twins studies like this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2889158/ and Bouchard & Lykken (1990) demonstrate how highly heritable IQ is and so does the Wilson Effect

How Much Does Education Improve Intelligence? A Meta-Analysis - PMC

Intelligence test scores and educational duration are positively correlated. This correlation could be interpreted in two ways: Students with greater propensity for intelligence go on to complete more education, or a longer education increases ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This paper found the highest difference in IQ before and after testing to be about 6 points, but the various standard error values for each test created a wide margin. It’s additionally interesting that in the paper above the power of the test when examining the results of three treatments was 99% which could result in increasing false positives.
@Bryce

The guy you're responding to has never even stepped foot on a college campus. Another retarded ragebaiter trying to get reps and be obnoxious for no reason. Clavicular ruined this place.

 

[ThraxxGlo]

none, im content with my height and iq

 

[johnbon]

Flynn Effect is generational and it’s only 3 points every 10 years
The second source makes no mention of a 20 point boost in IQ, the results aren’t in IQ points
The third source makes no mention of IQ at all
The last two sources are about enhancing performance through learning which does correlate with IQ but no increase in IQ is needed to learn and improve at a task

Twins studies like this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2889158/ and Bouchard & Lykken (1990) demonstrate how highly heritable IQ is and so does the Wilson Effect

How Much Does Education Improve Intelligence? A Meta-Analysis - PMC

Intelligence test scores and educational duration are positively correlated. This correlation could be interpreted in two ways: Students with greater propensity for intelligence go on to complete more education, or a longer education increases ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This paper found the highest difference in IQ before and after testing to be about 6 points, but the various standard error values for each test created a wide margin. It’s additionally interesting that in the paper above the power of the test when examining the results of three treatments was 99% which could result in increasing false positives.
@Bryce

Great arguments iqcel, thought everyone here had low neurons in their grey matter.

However, high heritability does not mean immutability. This is the fundamental error in your argument. Height is ~90% heritable yet average height rose 10cm over a century due to nutrition. More critically, Turkheimer et al. (2003) showed that in impoverished families, heritability of IQ drops to near zero while shared environment accounts for 60% of variance, the opposite of what twin studies from affluent Western samples show. Those twin studies are not universal constants they describe specific populations under specific conditions.
There is direct empirical evidence for ~20-point gains. Duyme et al. (1999, PNAS) tracked severely deprived children (mean IQ = 77) adopted between ages 4–6 and found gains of up to 19.5 IQ points in high-SES adoptive homes. Separately, the introduction of iodized salt raised IQs by approximately 15 points in iodine-deficient U.S. regions (Feyrer, Politi & Weil), and a Chinese meta-analysis documented 12–17 point gains from iodine supplementation programs. These are peer-reviewed, replicated findings.
The Flynn Effect itself makes the case. Dutch military IQ scores rose approximately 20 points between 1952 and 1982, within a single generation. No genetic change can explain that. You are correct the rate is ~3 points per decade and that heritability is real and significant. But the cumulative and context-specific evidence shows environments absolutely can move IQ by 20 points. Obviously situational, so maybe I was being slightly hyperbolic with 20 points.

 

[2s2f]

Great arguments iqcel, thought everyone here had low neurons in their grey matter.

However, high heritability does not mean immutability. This is the fundamental error in your argument. Height is ~90% heritable yet average height rose 10cm over a century due to nutrition. More critically, Turkheimer et al. (2003) showed that in impoverished families, heritability of IQ drops to near zero while shared environment accounts for 60% of variance, the opposite of what twin studies from affluent Western samples show. Those twin studies are not universal constants they describe specific populations under specific conditions.
There is direct empirical evidence for ~20-point gains. Duyme et al. (1999, PNAS) tracked severely deprived children (mean IQ = 77) adopted between ages 4–6 and found gains of up to 19.5 IQ points in high-SES adoptive homes. Separately, the introduction of iodized salt raised IQs by approximately 15 points in iodine-deficient U.S. regions (Feyrer, Politi & Weil), and a Chinese meta-analysis documented 12–17 point gains from iodine supplementation programs. These are peer-reviewed, replicated findings.
The Flynn Effect itself makes the case. Dutch military IQ scores rose approximately 20 points between 1952 and 1982, within a single generation. No genetic change can explain that. You are correct the rate is ~3 points per decade and that heritability is real and significant. But the cumulative and context-specific evidence shows environments absolutely can move IQ by 20 points. Obviously situational, so maybe I was being slightly hyperbolic with 20 points.

damn

 

[johnbon]

The guy you're responding to has never even stepped foot on a college campus. Another retarded ragebaiter trying to get reps and be obnoxious for no reason. Clavicular ruined this place.

While I did go to college and work in the medical field now… Going to college != being intelligent you absolute mongoloid JFL