Whats the actual argument against bonesmashing working?

[Deleted member 73879]

I assume every each one of you has been in a fight gym at least once. You can clearly see in each of these veteran fighters and coaches that the bones they have are clearly bigger, wider and more robust. What is the actual argument against the same mechanism working for bones in the face? And yes i do understand people being against it due to possible nerve risk and cte, but that doesnt change the fact that it should, and does work.

 

[fwasn.]

When you (or someone) is involved in a fight, the body undergoes a rapid neuroendocrine response that increases testosterone levels which is a part of the body's system to prepare and adapt for any threat.

First, it identifies the threat. The process begins in the brain, where the amygdala, an area involved in processing emotions and identifying threats, sends an alarm signal when a threat is perceived.

And we can't forget about the Hormonal Cascade. (SAM Axis, HPA Axis and HPG Axis).
SAM Axis: The initial response involves the sympathetic-adrenal-medullary (SAM) axis, which triggers the release of adrenaline (epinephrine) and noradrenaline. This leads to immediate physiological changes, such as increased heart rate, blood pressure, and alertness, preparing the body for action.
HPA Axis & HPG Axis: The hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis and the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis are also activated. The HPA axis releases cortisol (the main stress hormone), while the HPG axis manages testosterone production.

I selected parts of this text bold, so you can see where and what happens. Testosterone manages bone growth, facial, body etc. And many different things

 

[Deleted member 73879]

When you (or someone) is involved in a fight, the body undergoes a rapid neuroendocrine response that increases testosterone levels which is a part of the body's system to prepare and adapt for any threat.

First, it identifies the threat. The process begins in the brain, where the amygdala, an area involved in processing emotions and identifying threats, sends an alarm signal when a threat is perceived.

And we can't forget about the Hormonal Cascade. (SAM Axis, HPA Axis and HPG Axis).
SAM Axis: The initial response involves the sympathetic-adrenal-medullary (SAM) axis, which triggers the release of adrenaline (epinephrine) and noradrenaline. This leads to immediate physiological changes, such as increased heart rate, blood pressure, and alertness, preparing the body for action.
HPA Axis & HPG Axis: The hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis and the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis are also activated. The HPA axis releases cortisol (the main stress hormone), while the HPG axis manages testosterone production.

I selected parts of this text bold, so you can see where and what happens. Testosterone manages bone growth, facial, body etc. And many different things

Thank you, that in fact explains it for one part and i do think this mechanism explains a big amount of the visible changes. But still, its hard for me to dismiss wolffs law especially since i myself have experienced bone growth due to mechanical damage. (as in i fell i fell on one of my bones as a child which caused me to still to this day have a visibly enlarged bone in that place) Also another point is that bone growth happens not only in combat sports eg. gymanstics etc. .

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

When you (or someone) is involved in a fight, the body undergoes a rapid neuroendocrine response that increases testosterone levels which is a part of the body's system to prepare and adapt for any threat.

First, it identifies the threat. The process begins in the brain, where the amygdala, an area involved in processing emotions and identifying threats, sends an alarm signal when a threat is perceived.

And we can't forget about the Hormonal Cascade. (SAM Axis, HPA Axis and HPG Axis).
SAM Axis: The initial response involves the sympathetic-adrenal-medullary (SAM) axis, which triggers the release of adrenaline (epinephrine) and noradrenaline. This leads to immediate physiological changes, such as increased heart rate, blood pressure, and alertness, preparing the body for action.
HPA Axis & HPG Axis: The hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis and the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis are also activated. The HPA axis releases cortisol (the main stress hormone), while the HPG axis manages testosterone production.

I selected parts of this text bold, so you can see where and what happens. Testosterone manages bone growth, facial, body etc. And many different things

We have tons of teens on here running high foses of test,meaning they will non stop have levels far beyond what any fight will cause and dont get changes in facial bones

 

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We have tons of teens on here running high foses of test,meaning they will non stop have levels far beyond what any fight will cause and dont get changes in facial bones

bones may change marginally across many months but you can attribute that to probably being natural growth irrespective of the exogenous input

thats the issue really, you will never know if testosterone caused anything because any growth can of course easily be attributed to puberty

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

bones may change marginally across many months but you can attribute that to probably being natural growth irrespective of the exogenous input

thats the issue really, you will never know if testosterone caused anything because any growth can of course easily be attributed to puberty

Yes, this will never really be a 100% resolved untill there are acctuall studies on it and that will be very hard to do