Whats the point of a relationship if its gonna essentially be a competition or a "war"

[irrumator praetor]

Whether its friendship or romantic. Im pretty sure relationships of the past used to be a circle of mutual support and companionship.

In 2025 though:
with women its a competition, marriage is equal to an indian scam call, with an LTR its basically a covert war. Fuck off then? Why do foids prefer this? Isn't this psychotic? Then, aren't my incentives to cheat 24/7 unless I terramog the foid and she actually doesn't wanna compete? Kys then, im not LTRing a subhuman. Dysgenic ass hoes. Hypergamy is DYSGENIC.


With some types of friendships: healthy competition is law but goddamn thats rare, and whats more common is the unhealthy competition, jealousy, envy, all sorts of game theory non-cooperation manifesting in whatever way it can. Total cuckoldry of a friendship then. If you can trust a stranger more than that friend, whats the point?

Why have close connections become an interface for covert female type petty warfare? The pussified underhanded faggot bullshit? Most men and women are actually trannies unironically. Literally baphomet trannies, mentally at least, but physically too.

 

[SharpOrange]

doomer core

 

[irrumator praetor]

in that case how could I ever want children/LTR out of most foids? Ofc all I would ever want is just sex

And what else could I prefer to get out of a shallow friend circle than merely climbing some ladder of status and connections? I certainly don't like those people anyway

So this is the sort of utility we have in 2025

 

[SomaliSub5]

i dont think thats true, with the right woman you dont have to think about things like that it just goes smoothly

 

[irrumator praetor]

i dont think thats true, with the right woman you dont have to think about things like that it just goes smoothly

You can always posit the argument of "with the right woman..." "not all women..." im talking purely in the case for MOST people, because the reality is we will all fall into that category, "most men" and "most women". Don't count on "getting lucky" or being the magical exception. Ofc with the right woman you can fly to mars. But down here, we're dealing with reality on the ground

 

[veracious_vamp]

one of them have to either dumb enough/ humble enough/ oblivious enough to not be competing, either female or male. usually in our society the males forfeit from the war if they want a hot girl. or if there's a chad who gets with a ltb, the ltb is usually oblivious of how unattractive they are.

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

What experiences have led you to draw this conclusion?
But yeah, i think i agree. If it's a war as you call it there is no point.
Can you elaborate further tho, as i'm not sure i 100% understood what you meant?

 

[White_Bwoi]

Problem is the LTB's feel entitled to HTN's (my dm's are cooked with them tbh) & everybody have access to fucking social media, even in subhuman countries, so it's pretty unstable.. .
& I dont even believe in concept of 'hypergamy' specific to women to be clear, its only natural to choose the best..
It's getting increasingly IRL or nothing for both genders, apps are beyond over, I don't even feel ANYTHING anymore talking to even attractive one, it all feel low effort BS & there is 99% chance there will be no 'spark' on the date night

 

[White_Bwoi]

i dont think thats true, with the right woman you dont have to think about things like that it just goes smoothly

Kinda true, harsh reality is that every one that I find attractive enough is almost always already in miserable LTR with some LTN jfl.
If you go on this journey too long & kinda 'ascend', it's hard to appreciate normal human connection when you know that you could do better

 

[DoctorPMA]

so what do you suggest instead?
just being alone for your whole life?

 

[irrumator praetor]

one of them have to either dumb enough/ humble enough/ oblivious enough to not be competing, either female or male. usually in our society the males forfeit from the war if they want a hot girl. or if there's a chad who gets with a ltb, the ltb is usually oblivious of how unattractive they are.

women are unable to create stable long lasting relationships and have made dating the eternal competition. They also soured society, making basically everything a competition by extension. They soured social dynamics itself

 

[irrumator praetor]

What experiences have led you to draw this conclusion?
But yeah, i think i agree. If it's a war as you call it there is no point.
Can you elaborate further tho, as i'm not sure i 100% understood what you meant?

All experiences are like this, it can be covertly like this or very obviously like this. But its always a competition and if you don't perform you're out. The comparison is constant, never ending. But I can't think of any experience that I could use as a good example for this. I thought this was obvious and noticable everywhere? Like generally true and acknowledged.

As for the elaboration, I made 2 points in the post, one about female-male competition (LTR or whatever relationship) and another about male-male competition (friendship). Which one do you want me to elaborate on?

 

[irrumator praetor]

apps are beyond over, I don't even feel ANYTHING anymore talking to even attractive one, it all feel low effort BS & there is 99% chance there will be no 'spark' on the date night

Well there is no spark, she either wants to bang or not. Sparks are for jesters. If she doesn't even feel like talking normally with you, then the situation is cooked

It's getting increasingly IRL or nothing for both genders

Yea I can't wait for more data to be released and see if people are using apps more or less, and if they're more or less lonely or meeting people at all.

Problem is the LTB's feel entitled to HTN's (my dm's are cooked with them tbh) & everybody have access to fucking social media, even in subhuman countries, so it's pretty unstable.. .
& I dont even believe in concept of 'hypergamy' specific to women to be clear, its only natural to choose

Well they're actually horny and thirst to trying for HTNs obviously like how guys would thirst to try for a big booty bitch. Issue is, the big booty girl would reject most guys like that, while most HTNs wouldn't reject most LTBs. That leaves MTNs to needing to either ascend or fight for ltbs and it leaves LTNs in the shadow realm, where no body respects them socially. Thats a pretty mentally ill society overall

 

[irrumator praetor]

so what do you suggest instead?
just being alone for your whole life?

No, I suggest learning the game and playing it, mostly because you have to.

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

All experiences are like this, it can be covertly like this or very obviously like this. But its always a competition and if you don't perform you're out. The comparison is constant, never ending. But I can't think of any experience that I could use as a good example for this. I thought this was obvious and noticable everywhere? Like generally true and acknowledged.

As for the elaboration, I made 2 points in the post, one about female-male competition (LTR or whatever relationship) and another about male-male competition (friendship). Which one do you want me to elaborate on?

Mostly female-male, if you want you can add the ozher one in just for spice

 

[lightswinning]

Ive had this thought for a while, i mean if your girl is wearing makeup and dressing up 30 minutes to even step outside the house even while going out w only her parents and shit, its clearly fucked, your competing 24/7, you have to mog your LTR girl even w her fraudmaxxed by 2PSL w makeup and pushupbras and heels. And these hoes be frauding while IN AN LTR while going outside the house even when her bf is not there, like bitch who are you tryna fool w the whole "makeup for myself" psyop fucking bullshit, you wear makeup because subconsciously you are still looking to attract better quality mates while going outside, even when your bf is not present, fucking bitch.

Like nigga NO one is putting in 30-45 minutes of effort dressing up to show the most subtle cleavage and drawing their fucking eyes w eyeliner, fake lashes, Concealer for undereyes and foundation to fraud fertile cheeks just so the bitch can "muh go out" like stfu whore who are you even trying to fool.

If your in an LTR, your girl must worship you, and should care ZERO percent about her appearance when she is going outside w out you. If not, dump the bitch immediately. What incentive do i have to commit and LTR when she is guaranteed commitment from a guy who mogs her 1PSL, WHILE still makeupfrauding going outside and potentially looking for better quality mates while she is already being mogged by her bf, like bitch gtfo here , what incentive does the bf have here to stay loyal and commit while his gf is being a disgusting whore

 

[lightswinning]

LTRs legit feels like a fucking competition like you mentioned, where you have to constantly mog your gf or your getting cucked in a matter of months, fuck these dysgenic hypergamous whores honestly i fucking hate foids.

 

[irrumator praetor]

like bitch who are you tryna fool w the whole "makeup for myself" psyop fucking bullshit

yep she should just say she works for israel atp ngl

Yea man everything you said is true. Now imagine getting those shit tests in an LTR fuuuck no

 

[irrumator praetor]

Mostly female-male, if you want you can add the ozher one in just for spice

Ok im pretty sure you agree with me when it comes to competition being present, not just with other men but also with her. Its a competition between you and her, who gets more extra-relationship IOIs etc. and maybe even who has a bigger and better roster. Who is always less dependant on the relationship (leverage) etc. Women will also always try their hardest to convince or corner you into the harmful scam marriage.

 

[Deleted member 65664]

It's so over. I already stopped believing in genuine ltr's when I was 16, now I only look forward to ruining those girls' lives.

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

Ok im pretty sure you agree with me when it comes to competition being present, not just with other men but also with her. Its a competition between you and her, who gets more extra-relationship IOIs etc. and maybe even who has a bigger and better roster. Who is always less dependant on the relationship (leverage) etc. Women will also always try their hardest to convince or corner you into the harmful scam marriage.

Damn nigga. I agree this stuff exists, but i am positive not every ltr is like this.
I am in an ltr and for me quite the opposite is true. I get 0 or very few extra relationship IOIs (or i am too nd to recognize them, i'm not sure to be honest and thinking back i think that could be the case. I oftentimes can't tell whether or not a thing is very positive or very negative, but that's not the point.)
I make it very clear to my partner they are my whole life and i am very much dependent on them.
Maybe my partner has completely won the competition, who knows?
But honestly what you describe prolly just isn't the case for my relationship.
My partner also tells me they couldn't leave me if they wanted to probably.

 

[veracious_vamp]

Ok im pretty sure you agree with me when it comes to competition being present, not just with other men but also with her. Its a competition between you and her, who gets more extra-relationship IOIs etc. and maybe even who has a bigger and better roster. Who is always less dependant on the relationship (leverage) etc. Women will also always try their hardest to convince or corner you into the harmful scam marriage.

a woman can even value a man's beauty, but she will usually pride / delude herself into thinking she is superior to him in one way or another because her only goal is to use the male for all he's worth: she wants to use his money, make him dependent on her by guilting him into staying for the children, tire him out until he is fargone from his prime- even a handsome man is expected to stay humble and work for her and her children (usually the woman wants children but then makes the man stay ???)

thus, there is no reason to strive for foids. to keep them around for lustful reasons is reasonable, but you don't owe them anything obviously.

 

[veracious_vamp]

Ive had this thought for a while, i mean if your girl is wearing makeup and dressing up 30 minutes to even step outside the house even while going out w only her parents and shit, its clearly fucked, your competing 24/7, you have to mog your LTR girl even w her fraudmaxxed by 2PSL w makeup and pushupbras and heels. And these hoes be frauding while IN AN LTR while going outside the house even when her bf is not there, like bitch who are you tryna fool w the whole "makeup for myself" psyop fucking bullshit, you wear makeup because subconsciously you are still looking to attract better quality mates while going outside, even when your bf is not present, fucking bitch.

Like nigga NO one is putting in 30-45 minutes of effort dressing up to show the most subtle cleavage and drawing their fucking eyes w eyeliner, fake lashes, Concealer for undereyes and foundation to fraud fertile cheeks just so the bitch can "muh go out" like stfu whore who are you even trying to fool.

If your in an LTR, your girl must worship you, and should care ZERO percent about her appearance when she is going outside w out you. If not, dump the bitch immediately. What incentive do i have to commit and LTR when she is guaranteed commitment from a guy who mogs her 1PSL, WHILE still makeupfrauding going outside and potentially looking for better quality mates while she is already being mogged by her bf, like bitch gtfo here , what incentive does the bf have here to stay loyal and commit while his gf is being a disgusting whore

no woman wears makeup for herself, its a clear cope for herself because she cannot admit her yearning for male approval is so severe. if she wore it for herself she would wear it all day and all night, even by oneself

 

[irrumator praetor]

usually the woman wants children but then makes the man stay

or be legally responsible like marriage etc

 

[irrumator praetor]

Damn nigga. I agree this stuff exists, but i am positive not every ltr is like this.
I am in an ltr and for me quite the opposite is true. I get 0 or very few extra relationship IOIs (or i am too nd to recognize them, i'm not sure to be honest and thinking back i think that could be the case. I oftentimes can't tell whether or not a thing is very positive or very negative, but that's not the point.)
I make it very clear to my partner they are my whole life and i am very much dependent on them.
Maybe my partner has completely won the competition, who knows?
But honestly what you describe prolly just isn't the case for my relationship.
My partner also tells me they couldn't leave me if they wanted to probably.

Interesting, so you would say you both are serious? What yours and hers stats then? Country? Most (western) women aren't capable of being that serious im ngl. I know it sounds bare minimum but yea most w. women aren't as capable. Yea what I described is a competition from hell but jfl at one point in the relationship it starts happening, its like the rabbit clock meme. Maybe her demon friends tell her to try for better so endless shit tests and competitions start until doom.

 

[irrumator praetor]

It's so over. I already stopped believing in genuine ltr's when I was 16, now I only look forward to ruining those girls' lives.

damn

 

[Dip3shx]

in that case how could I ever want children/LTR out of most foids? Ofc all I would ever want is just sex

And what else could I prefer to get out of a shallow friend circle than merely climbing some ladder of status and connections? I certainly don't like those people anyway

So this is the sort of utility we have in 2025

Yeah I pretty much agree with everything here, its pretty hedonistic but I cant see it any other way to be honest. Getting into a relationship at this point is just braindead, i'd rather fuck women and work on myself rather than worrying about what a bitch needs. Finding genuine friends in this day and age is practially impossible, most men are just competing with other men in a very toxic and 0 sum game type of way. Its sad to be honest, the idea of what society has become has made me very jaded and pessimistic

 

[Deleted member 299708]

Whether its friendship or romantic. Im pretty sure relationships of the past used to be a circle of mutual support and companionship.

In 2025 though:
with women its a competition, marriage is equal to an indian scam call, with an LTR its basically a covert war. Fuck off then? Why do foids prefer this? Isn't this psychotic? Then, aren't my incentives to cheat 24/7 unless I terramog the foid and she actually doesn't wanna compete? Kys then, im not LTRing a subhuman. Dysgenic ass hoes. Hypergamy is DYSGENIC.


With some types of friendships: healthy competition is law but goddamn thats rare, and whats more common is the unhealthy competition, jealousy, envy, all sorts of game theory non-cooperation manifesting in whatever way it can. Total cuckoldry of a friendship then. If you can trust a stranger more than that friend, whats the point?

Why have close connections become an interface for covert female type petty warfare? The pussified underhanded faggot bullshit? Most men and women are actually trannies unironically. Literally baphomet trannies, mentally at least, but physically too.

This is an incredible post

I expect nothing less,,from an OG lookismer like myself..

Anyone that’s “grey” should read this users posts,,very good user from what I have seen..

Things have changed quite a bit..literal hood prostitutes propped up for the standard middle class tier girl to worship and aspire to be..

Sad Thing is..even prostitutes are more loyal than these bitches these days..

Never seen so many women jealous of their own men..or competing with them so hard..and trying to slander their name as a way to prop themselves up..

God bless the men of today,,dealing with the half ass bitches..5x the headache and -100x the worthiness..

What do you expect??

They mostly live in capitalistic-anti religious societies that are hedonistic and Machiavellian by nature..

The worse they are, the more they achieve and have fun with…

There’s no fun in being a good person and no achievement in the 3D for it..and that’s all they’ve been taught to care about

They are conditioned that morals and ethics are subjective ..when really it’s a seemingly logical cop out to avoid accountability to make a blatantly selfish decision that they knew better about at someone else’s expense..

That’s really all anti religion is at its core anyway

 

[edric]

Ive had this thought for a while, i mean if your girl is wearing makeup and dressing up 30 minutes to even step outside the house even while going out w only her parents and shit, its clearly fucked, your competing 24/7, you have to mog your LTR girl even w her fraudmaxxed by 2PSL w makeup and pushupbras and heels. And these hoes be frauding while IN AN LTR while going outside the house even when her bf is not there, like bitch who are you tryna fool w the whole "makeup for myself" psyop fucking bullshit, you wear makeup because subconsciously you are still looking to attract better quality mates while going outside, even when your bf is not present, fucking bitch.

Like nigga NO one is putting in 30-45 minutes of effort dressing up to show the most subtle cleavage and drawing their fucking eyes w eyeliner, fake lashes, Concealer for undereyes and foundation to fraud fertile cheeks just so the bitch can "muh go out" like stfu whore who are you even trying to fool.

If your in an LTR, your girl must worship you, and should care ZERO percent about her appearance when she is going outside w out you. If not, dump the bitch immediately. What incentive do i have to commit and LTR when she is guaranteed commitment from a guy who mogs her 1PSL, WHILE still makeupfrauding going outside and potentially looking for better quality mates while she is already being mogged by her bf, like bitch gtfo here , what incentive does the bf have here to stay loyal and commit while his gf is being a disgusting whore

Holy shit I have fucking experience this before its Actually over for me but I didn't find out because I was loving her until I realized she's a fucking bop and had like 10 different boyfriend after we broke and she's only 15 btw

 

[irrumator praetor]

The worse they are, the more they achieve and have fun with…

yea ATP they're just sabbatean zevi's frankists lmfao

 

[irrumator praetor]

This is an incredible post

I expect nothing less,,from an OG lookismer like myself..

Anyone that’s “grey” should read this users posts,,very good user from what I have seen

thanks bro

 

[irrumator praetor]

Holy shit I have fucking experience this before its Actually over for me but I didn't find out because I was loving her until I realized she's a fucking bop and had like 10 different boyfriend after we broke and she's only 15 btw

brutal highschool fog

 

[irrumator praetor]

Yeah I pretty much agree with everything here, its pretty hedonistic but I cant see it any other way to be honest. Getting into a relationship at this point is just braindead, i'd rather fuck women and work on myself rather than worrying about what a bitch needs. Finding genuine friends in this day and age is practially impossible, most men are just competing with other men in a very toxic and 0 sum game type of way. Its sad to be honest, the idea of what society has become has made me very jaded and pessimistic

We are reaching max black pill levels

 

[Dip3shx]

We are reaching max black pill levels

its kind of liberating to be honest, to not be held down by religion or by societal norms. I just wanna fuck women, mog and get rich and thats it everything else is kinda just meaningless to me

 

[ijustwannaascendlol]

so what do you suggest instead?
just being alone for your whole life?

Yes.

 

[dawooddX]

Whether its friendship or romantic. Im pretty sure relationships of the past used to be a circle of mutual support and companionship.

In 2025 though:
with women its a competition, marriage is equal to an indian scam call, with an LTR its basically a covert war. Fuck off then? Why do foids prefer this? Isn't this psychotic? Then, aren't my incentives to cheat 24/7 unless I terramog the foid and she actually doesn't wanna compete? Kys then, im not LTRing a subhuman. Dysgenic ass hoes. Hypergamy is DYSGENIC.


With some types of friendships: healthy competition is law but goddamn thats rare, and whats more common is the unhealthy competition, jealousy, envy, all sorts of game theory non-cooperation manifesting in whatever way it can. Total cuckoldry of a friendship then. If you can trust a stranger more than that friend, whats the point?

Why have close connections become an interface for covert female type petty warfare? The pussified underhanded faggot bullshit? Most men and women are actually trannies unironically. Literally baphomet trannies, mentally at least, but physically too.

so real op
so fucking hard for younger ppl these days

id genuienly consider it lucky if u know sm who can be decently considerate to you
cuz holy fuck why is everyone out to get each other

 

[White_Bwoi]

Ive had this thought for a while, i mean if your girl is wearing makeup and dressing up 30 minutes to even step outside the house even while going out w only her parents and shit, its clearly fucked, your competing 24/7, you have to mog your LTR girl even w her fraudmaxxed by 2PSL w makeup and pushupbras and heels. And these hoes be frauding while IN AN LTR while going outside the house even when her bf is not there, like bitch who are you tryna fool w the whole "makeup for myself" psyop fucking bullshit, you wear makeup because subconsciously you are still looking to attract better quality mates while going outside, even when your bf is not present, fucking bitch.

My brother GF is ike that. But it's because she's kinda chopped (at least slim tho). Bro doesn't even love her but when she dumps him after years of LTR he'll be devastated, I subtly warned him about that, but they're coping too strong.

 

[White_Bwoi]

Another observation makeupmaxxed LTB's that wan't you will gaslight you to eat more/don't exercise "you're SLIM AND TALL, you have room for extra KG's" - that's DM I got yesterday JFL and im not even 15% BF yet

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

Interesting, so you would say you both are serious?

I'd say so.

What yours and hers stats then? Country?

I'd say on like an objective scale i'd look a little better, but they do get more IOIs.
Countrys are italy and germany.
Something i didn't mention is that it is a ldr. We have been together for 2 and a half years, although i wouldn't really count the first year as it was really on and off and i hardly went down there to visit or anything.

Yea what I described is a competition from hell but jfl at one point in the relationship it starts happening, its like the rabbit clock meme. Maybe her demon friends tell her to try for better so endless shit tests and competitions start until doom.

Fingers crossed this shitcnever happens, cuz it would fucking destroy me.

 

[irrumator praetor]

it is a ldr

Right, a different dynamic

cuz it would fucking destroy me.

it would destroy anyone, if they're the one thats "losing" jfl. But for the sake of muh morality we let foids make everything like this

 

[irrumator praetor]

Another observation makeupmaxxed LTB's that wan't you will gaslight you to eat more/don't exercise "you're SLIM AND TALL, you have room for extra KG's" - that's DM I got yesterday JFL and im not even 15% BF yet

Yea shes a mossad agent ATP

 

[irrumator praetor]

its kind of liberating to be honest, to not be held down by religion or by societal norms. I just wanna fuck women, mog and get rich and thats it everything else is kinda just meaningless to me

only liberating because its a truth finally being told in a society thats set up in this way. But, nothing about how we are forced to act in this society is truly liberating

 

[irrumator praetor]

My brother GF is ike that. But it's because she's kinda chopped (at least slim tho). Bro doesn't even love her but when she dumps him after years of LTR he'll be devastated, I subtly warned him about that, but they're coping too strong.

I imagine most men are just coping until the end of the ride, be it about being dominated, enslaved, cucked, etc. until the relationship ends, or whatever the case may be (like the system cucking you, government, job, etc)

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

it would destroy anyone, if they're the one thats "losing" jfl. But for the sake of muh morality we let foids make everything like this

I couldn't even image  winning some shitshow like that would feel great.
Why would i want to put down a person i love or constantly put myself above them?
Collaboration and elevating eachother is law

 

[irrumator praetor]

Damn nigga. I agree this stuff exists, but i am positive not every ltr is like this.
I am in an ltr and for me quite the opposite is true. I get 0 or very few extra relationship IOIs (or i am too nd to recognize them, i'm not sure to be honest and thinking back i think that could be the case. I oftentimes can't tell whether or not a thing is very positive or very negative, but that's not the point.)
I make it very clear to my partner they are my whole life and i am very much dependent on them.
Maybe my partner has completely won the competition, who knows?
But honestly what you describe prolly just isn't the case for my relationship.
My partner also tells me they couldn't leave me if they wanted to probably.

looking back, if im not mistaken you had some breakup post recently? white rabbit strikes

 

[irrumator praetor]

tbf though her message sounded sincere, js female psychology at play

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

looking back, if im not mistaken you had some breakup post recently? white rabbit strikes

It was all way too good to be true.
Way too good to last.

 

[irrumator praetor]

It was all way too good to be true.
Way too good to last.

And the world spins on, brutal