Whats the reason girls like guys with strong bones?? Beauty standards change?

[Good_Little_Goy]

Thats also why the whole race thIf one race or genetic would be the absolutely strongest, why are there still so many races existing?

lol what? Obviously different races are adapted to different environments

 

[Deusmaximus]

Because evolution deemed it so.
recessed chin = low prenatal t and improper development = low fighting success, less aggression, different cognition, improper development is a bad signal of genetic health too, and the chin has an important structural role in the face, absorbing forces from chewing, possibly has a role intimidating other males too. definitely other males will see you as weaker with a recessed chin.

How weak/strong will males see this guy?

How weak/strong will males see this guy?

Who has bigger bone mass, and more robust skull = ideal for fighting and survival? Which one has a broader appeal to females?

"Prenatal testosterone may have a powerful masculinizing effect on postnatal physical characteristics. However, no study has directly tested this hypothesis. Here, we report a 20-year follow-up study that measured testosterone concentrations from the umbilical cord blood of 97 male and 86 female newborns, and procured three-dimensional facial images on these participants in adulthood (range: 21–24 years)."

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2015.1351

How attractive are these guys here? I guess with their forward grown bones, they must be on top of the foodchain on the sexual market value.

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

How weak/strong will males see this guy?
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How weak/strong will males see this guy?
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Who has bigger bone mass, and more robust skull = ideal for fighting and survival? Which one has a broader appeal to females?

Obvs fighting success is not the only thing important here.

first guy - top tier collagen = better injury repair, especially for joints and tendons which are crucial for survival, maybe more so than direct combat

second guy might have better combat success face but in terms of survival in hunter gatherer life the first guy might come out top, he’s still far above average in terms of fighting success and robustness


plus you can’t deny what I was saying about the chin having and important structural role in the face

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

How weak/strong will males see this guy?
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How weak/strong will males see this guy?
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Who has bigger bone mass, and more robust skull = ideal for fighting and survival? Which one has a broader appeal to females?

"Prenatal testosterone may have a powerful masculinizing effect on postnatal physical characteristics. However, no study has directly tested this hypothesis. Here, we report a 20-year follow-up study that measured testosterone concentrations from the umbilical cord blood of 97 male and 86 female newborns, and procured three-dimensional facial images on these participants in adulthood (range: 21–24 years)."

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2015.1351

How attractive are these guys here? I guess with their forward grown bones, they must be on top of the foodchain on the sexual market value.
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Just saw the edit, first 2 guys look comfortably above average, third guy looks like he is jutting. Take away their bones and development and they will have lower smv


yes bones and development are not 100% of attractiveness, there’s so many other very important factors but they go a long way

 

[BigBiceps]

Money is the key to everything in our world. It can buy EVERYTHING and secure everybodies life. Still girls can not get wet from a ugly billionaire, but for a low life hot looser. Whats the reason for this??

Who cares? We've invented lube. Women should not be worshipped like that, you build all your life around what women want. Fuck that.

 

[johncruz12345]

Society expectations.

 

[Deusmaximus]

Obvs fighting success is not the only thing important here.

first guy - top tier collagen = better injury repair, especially for joints and tendons which are crucial for survival, maybe more so than direct combat

second guy might have better combat success face but in terms of survival in hunter gatherer life the first guy might come out top, he’s still far above average in terms of fighting success and robustness


plus you can’t deny what I was saying about the chin having and important structural role in the face

Dude, i would never deny the importance of the forward grown chin. I am planning my bimax with genio for early 2021
But still i think the human preference for "aestethic" faces is a irrational phenomenon and to differentiate "good from a bad genetic" from facial aesthetic, is a stupid and very wrong thing. Just like almost everything in our society is a big joke, choosing the strenght of a person from his appearance is so wrong. Look at how high in the food chain a small weak human like el chapo can get. He had all the power over so many people in his country. He could choose about life and death with just a word. Tall and high t guys listened to him, and followed all of his commands.

 

[AlexanderTheGreat]

Everything has been selected for the purpose that it is meant for.

Big bones (including height) are attractive because they are an evolutionary advantage in physical combat.

Skin doesn't serve much purpose in physical combat so it is selected for aesthetic value and to indicate hormonal health. Fairer skin is attractive because it is brighter and hence highlights the facial features better. It is also selected to indicate how much human beings have traveled along the evolutionary axis away from their origins. (Attraction is a way for selection and adaptation and selecting genes that have travelled the furthest from evolutionary roots is an advantage for a human).

Small noses are attractive because it is adapted to colder temperatures. (see below)

Plus since life usually gets better skin indicates your status in society. Fair skin and thin noses are adaptations for colder temperatures which indicates a better life away from hot, humid, diseased environments. (and indoor life vs outdoor life in fairness obsessed cultures)

Intelligence is being selected right now but since it is a novel trait so our brains haven't evolutionarily evolved for it yet. I see evidence of IQ becoming evolutionarily sexually attractive in sapiosexuals (~10% of population) and this will continue if human civilization expands and becomes much more complex. I find intelligence attractive and stimulating.

You can mention your doubts about something and I might have an explanation.

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

Dude, i would never deny the importance of the forward grown chin. I am planning my bimax with genio for early 2021
But still i think the human preference for "aestethic" faces is a irrational phenomenon and to differentiate "good from a bad genetic" from facial aesthetic, is a stupid and very wrong thing. Just like almost everything in our society is a big joke, choosing the strenght of a person from his appearance is so wrong. Look at how high in the food chain a small weak human like el chapo can get. He had all the power over so many people in his country. He could choose about life and death with just a word. Tall and high t guys listened to him, and followed all of his commands.

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All I mean is you were saying that you couldn’t understand why a person with a recessed chin’s genetics are less valuable, but when the chin plays an important role in the structure of the face the genetics ‘coding’ for it are therefore important.

i agree with you for some stuff about aesthetics, like I don’t understand why the nose is so important and small noses are more attractive, or why symmetry is preferred so much.

but as far as forward growth goes, there are rational reasons for finding it attractive

chin - absorbs force from chewing and holds a key structural role, is also an indicator or androgens.

mandible - more forward growth = more space for teeth and mouth. bigger jaw = bigger masseter potential and better function for chewing and such
also an indicator of androgens (there’s this one gene about aromatization that makes jaws develop differently and more attractive that I can dig up if you want)

maxilla - more forward growth = more space for airways, esophagus and jaw resulting in better performance of the person

you can only go so far with determining genetics from appearance but we definitely can to an extent and we have evolved to asses other faces quickly and thoroughly as a result


edit: about el chapo yes but you have to remember, parts or our brain are still stuck in huntergatherer mode where there would have been no el chapos. When we gained our ingrained ideas of attractiveness, the only real way to ‘win’ at life and gain power was through psychical means, our sense of atttractiveness is outdated today

 

[Deusmaximus]

All I mean is you were saying that you couldn’t understand why a person with a recessed chin’s genetics are less valuable, but when the chin plays an important role in the structure of the face the genetics ‘coding’ for it are therefore important.

i agree with you for some stuff about aesthetics, like I don’t understand why the nose is so important and small noses are more attractive, or why symmetry is preferred so much.

but as far as forward growth goes, there are rational reasons for finding it attractive

chin - absorbs force from chewing and holds a key structural role, is also an indicator or androgens.

mandible - more forward growth = more space for teeth and mouth. bigger jaw = bigger masseter potential and better function for chewing and such

maxilla - more forward growth = more space for airways, esophagus and jaw resulting in better performance of the person

you can only go so far with determining genetics from appearance but we definitely can to an extent and we have evolved to asses other faces quickly and thoroughly as a result

Survival of the fittest = survival of the most adaptable, and not of the most robust.
That means the strongest genetic is not the forward grown chin. Judging somebodies genetic from their facial bone structure is the biggest myth ever. A strong genetic = a long disease free life.
Why are chads not getting 300 years old, and recessed cels die at 10-20yrs? Why are chads also dying from cancer and other diseases? How is it even possible that there are still birdcels and unattractive guys existing and getting to a old age?
What exactly is a strong genetic?

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

A strong genetic = a long disease free life.

No, reproductive success is all that matters to our brains

strong genetic = best reproductive success across our evolution

you didn’t understand what I was saying about forward growth, forward growth ITSELF is beneficial, not even talking about as an indicator of genetics. It’s important for function.