What’s Your BiMaxillary Upswing Angle?

[thecel]

The true measure of upward and forward growth.

Angle	Quality
Sub 90º	Recessed
90º – 95º	Flattish
95º – 100º	Moderate
100º – 105º	High
105º+	Dogged

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The ratio of the 2 lines’ lengths is your neurocranium to splanchnocranium growth ratio.

 

[2025cel]

Pretty high

 

[Iooksmax]

91

 

[thecel]

Mine is 94.4º, but I’m recessed.

 

[geneticdiff]

has to be the most pissuseless ratio i think i've seen in my life

 

[Iooksmax]

I'm guessing his is lower, look at how his head is angled relative to the camera, you can see his other eyebrow.

 

[thecel]

The ratio of the 2 lines’ lengths is your neurocranium to splanchnocranium growth ratio!

 

[Iooksmax]

This is a lot better than that triangle used in the past since tilting your head backwards won't fraud it

 

[Subhuman232]

Nigga why are u still making this autistic threads

Why won't u transmax already or some shit

 

[thecel]

Reminder to readers: the “dogged” category does not equal “bad”! The more forward growth, the bigger the mog.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I'm guessing his is lower, look at how his head is angled relative to the camera, you can see his other eyebrow.

This is a lot better than that triangle used in the past since tilting your head backwards won't fraud it

This method is likely unviable without true side profiles, which still have obvious inconsistencies.

In a true side profile shot, the glabella and opposite brow shouldn't be visible

Examples of false profiles (glabella visible): Examples of true profiles (glabella hidden):

looksmax.org

 

[Reckless Turtle]

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Reminder to readers: the “dogged” category does not equal “bad”! The more forward growth, the bigger the mog.

Only if all of the other skull factors are forward.

 

[Iooksmax]

This method is likely unviable without true side profiles, which still have obvious inconsistencies.

Is any method viable without a true side profile? It throws all the ratios and angles off.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Is any method viable without a true side profile? It throws all the ratios and angles off.

Yes, and I've never seen any of these "methods" used well. Even for surgeons, there are too many others factors to consider to simply rely on a "method" like this.

 

[sover]

The true measure of upward and forward growth.

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Angle	Quality
Sub 90º	Recessed
90º – 95º	Flattish
95º – 100º	Moderate
100º – 105º	High
105º+	Dogged

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The ratio of the 2 lines’ lengths is your neurocranium to splanchnocranium growth ratio.

101-102

 

[thecel]

101-102

mogged Barrett

 

[ey88]

No idea

 

[sover]

mogged Barrett

My side is similar with him

 

[thecel]

anyone here got sub90?

 

[PrimalPlasty]

92.5

 

[Dastan]

This method is likely unviable without true side profiles, which still have obvious inconsistencies.

In a true side profile shot, the glabella and opposite brow shouldn't be visible

Examples of false profiles (glabella visible): Examples of true profiles (glabella hidden):

looksmax.org

just wanted to mention this, then i saw your reply. the 6 pic shows why this is true.
but the method is correct, you just need to take proper pics, like with any measuring (when you measure fwhr for example, the face should be rotated to align in F. plane, some miss this part and randomly get 2.2+ fwhr which is absurd)

 

[CD34]

The true measure of upward and forward growth.

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Angle	Quality
Sub 90º	Recessed
90º – 95º	Flattish
95º – 100º	Moderate
100º – 105º	High
105º+	Dogged

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The ratio of the 2 lines’ lengths is your neurocranium to splanchnocranium growth ratio.

This is high iq af i never thinked about it before

 

[CD34]

That’s why sum apparently good hyoid decent forward grown guyz looks recessed

 

[Dastan]

this is one of the best ways to measure forward growth, but the last point at the lip seal is under some heavy, irrelevant influence of lip thickness, lip resting posture, pouting and other lip morphology parameters = soft tissues and not bone structure. the margin of error could be in range of like 1-5 degrees here, which is too much, like a literal distance between tiers in your reference values

maybe measure the average between these 2 angles, not much soft tissue variation here:

idk the reference values for this atm tho

(+this method of measuring accounts for the lower jaw too, which is def relevant when you're measuring forward growth)