whats your strongest arguments against christianity

[liberiangrimreaper]

How exactly does a human have free will? Because as far as we know were a bunch of atoms that have no other option but to obey the laws of physics, the universe is deterministic

We have free will to the extent that we know we exist, as well as to somewhat explain why we do certain things in our life. Having no free will would you being a puppet with no ability to comprehend that you exist (like you dreaming)

However, we our bound by fear, ego (which operates on two axes; pleasure and pain), and other things like genes. Everything you do in life is rooted in the fear of a painful state. All living species prioritize a hedonistic lifestyle; we prioritize our survival over anything else.

We do not have libertarian free will like the Biblical God has. So yes, life is deterministic.

 

[Aox Ofwar]

We dont. Show me where the bible says we do. We are clay molded by a potter, we dont choose for ourselves what happens

I could only argue with gpt because I havent read a page of the bible

The Bible presents free will as a fundamental aspect of human existence. Key examples include:

• Garden of Eden: In Genesis 2-3, Adam and Eve are given the choice to obey or disobey God's command regarding the tree of knowledge. Their decision to eat the fruit illustrates the exercise of free will.

 

[Meteor21]

It's jewish, you guys like to cherry pick which parts to follow, it threatens you to conform to it. If it were true it wouldn't require coercion.

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

show me where He is content to start with, He is in fact saddened. But He has done much about it and that is the good news.

lol are you sure? You should check the news and all of human history, lmao.

Chapter and verse. The bible explicitly only commands how a slave should behave to his master and master to his slave, it does not command that we make slaves of all people or anything. This is mostly used to explain how we are either slaves of sin or of the Lord, and that He is a good master and we should be good slaves.

search up “Dan Mcllelan on Biblical slavery” and he’ll go into it. He’s a renown PhD scholar on Theology (and Christian).

If I gave you the verse, you’d just regurgitate some shitty interpretation from some TikTok account or cult-like denomination.

would you prefer anarchy where everyonr dies instead?

Acting as if it would be nothing but anarchy without God. You’re deluded and rely on fallacious arguments.

it is not permitted. God has intervened and given us the moral law. He has told us the punishment, death. Does the lawmaker condone murder if he doesnt decide to cut everyone's hands to prevent it but rather puts in place clear laws?

A human lawmaker has no significant relation to an outer-dimensional creator of creation (Biblical God). Bad analogy.

Did the lawmaker create/invent murder?

 

[takethewhitepill]

I could only argue with gpt because I havent read a page of the bible

The Bible presents free will as a fundamental aspect of human existence. Key examples include:

• Garden of Eden: In Genesis 2-3, Adam and Eve are given the choice to obey or disobey God's command regarding the tree of knowledge. Their decision to eat the fruit illustrates the exercise of free will.

You should really try reading it before you decide to have these debates. I would recommend, not even to convert you, that you read the book of romans, it is short and covers the majority of arguments as well as how a christian will respond. But genesis 1-11 is parable to begin with, and if you read it there isnt a question of will. It is written that it just is. God is sovereign over all. I will humour the idea for a moment and also comment that if science doesnt yet knoe and we presuppose christianity (ie we take it as a non impossibility rather than drawing a conclusion here) then we should find science wanting as we have on many things fir thousands of years, such as miasma.

 

[takethewhitepill]

lol are you sure? You should check the news and all of human history, lmao.

Certain, tye bible tells me so

search up “Dan Mcllelan on Biblical slavery” and he’ll go into it. He’s a renown PhD scholar on Theology (and Christian).

If I gave you the verse, you’d just regurgitate some shitty interpretation from some TikTok account or cult-like denomination.

At least I would regurgitate instead of being so lazy i tell you to go watch the tiktok. You arent having a conversation in good faith here at all.

Acting as if it would be nothing but anarchy without God. You’re deluded and rely on fallacious arguments.

Make an argument. Without God there is no moral law.

A human lawmaker has no significant relation to an outer-dimensional creator of creation (Biblical God). Bad analogy.

Never heard if a metaphor before? He is literally called a judge and He literally creates the law. Not a bad analogy, make an argument.

Did the lawmaker create/invent murder?

God didnt make sin as light does not make dark.

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

Without God there is no moral law

There is no argument. Simply ask ChatGPT of all the civilizations throughout ancient, modern, and medieval history that have been perfectly fine without the Biblical God.

God didnt make sin as light does not make dark.

The creator of creation now hasn’t created something? If you turn on a light in a room or go out in the sun, do shadows not come of it? Are you joking?

Never heard if a metaphor before? He is literally called a judge and He literally creates the law. Not a bad analogy, make an argument.

Again, bad analogy. We are talking about the Biblical God that has created everything, peace and calamity (Isaiah 45:7) . The lawmakers have not created crime.

Certain, tye bible tells me so

Makes sense why you think that way. When your nose is in a book all day, you tend to become disgustingly oblivious of what goes on in the real world. You’re lucky to have the privilege of hiding behind a book, thinking problems are being solved by “faith and prayers.”

At least I would regurgitate instead of being so lazy i tell you to go watch the tiktok. You arent having a conversation in good faith here at all.

Would you rather hear from me or a PhD scholar? This isn’t a conversation and we’re on the internet, if I can source you to a better candidate, I will.

 

[justascend]

Evidential problem of evil

Concept of suffering and evil

God Isn’t real or observable to any degree

Simple and plain. And no, saying “it’s a test” Or “that’s because of humans bro… free will bro…” isn’t a good answer

An extra is the many interpretations of one book by the many cult-like Christian denominations. Once you read the Bible in a scholarly perspective, you realize the Biblical God isn’t as good as the image churches shove down your throat. The Bible has many contradictions.

eveidential problem of evil is such a shitty argument if u would have actually read the bible. suffering is the consequence of human sin, we only sin because we possess the free will to choose our actions. without sin or suffering we as humans would be incapable of real love or moral responsibility, we would have no moral or spiritual growth whatsoever.

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

eveidential problem of evil is such a shitty argument if u would have actually read the bible. suffering is the consequence of human sin, we only sin because we possess the free will to choose our actions. without sin or suffering we as humans would be incapable of real love or moral responsibility, we would have no moral or spiritual growth whatsoever.

Didn’t read past your second sentence

“Simple and plain. And no, saying “it’s a test” Or “that’s because of humans bro… free will bro…” isn’t a good answer“

Believe in whatever keeps you bliss though.

 

[justascend]

Didn’t read past your second sentence

“Simple and plain. And no, saying “it’s a test” Or “that’s because of humans bro… free will bro…” isn’t a good answer“

Believe in whatever keeps you bliss though.

ur just dismissing arguments without reading the explanation behind them? if u want more arguments clarity or specifics i can explain them. u have no critical thinking skills and have no arguments of your own

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

ur just dismissing arguments without reading the explanation behind them? if u want more arguments clarity or specifics i can explain them. u have no critical thinking skills and have no arguments of your own

Because I know your “argument” is shit and that you’re a retard. You saying the Evidential Problem of Evil argument is “stupid” let me know of that.

Let me guess, in your first reply you said “God gave us a choice to disobey.. it’s completely human free will; it’s humans fault for evil.. it’s not Gods fault...” Right?

I’m Guessing you did, and I’ll tell you again that your argument is shit.