When to deploy ancillaries

[introvertedextrover]

when abouts do you deploy em
gonna run tren test drol

confused on if i run caber nolva ralox or any of them before sides show
Im gonna start by taking my proprano and eplereone start of cycle but when do i deploy any ancillary?

theres alot of confusion from what ive read but what ideally should be ran all time from the start and then deployed when symptons occur or bloods prove?

 

[Pharmascension]

I almost never need caber even on a G of tren, it just depends on how your prolactin levels are as a individual. For caber if your nipples hurt use it, same for ralox. AI's suck and i would try not to use them just run lower test.

 

[Pharmascension]

tren and drol are a really synergestic combo so good selection. you really do need to keep test low on that tho because drol can act as estrogen and present estrogenic sides in many ways and you cant even block them with ancilleries because it is not really e2.

 

[introvertedextrover]

tren and drol are a really synergestic combo so good selection. you really do need to keep test low on that tho because drol can act as estrogen and present estrogenic sides in many ways and you cant even block them with ancilleries because it is not really e2.

yeah i dont plan to go above 250 test, jsut gonna blast tren and drol. I assumed nolva would take care of most drol e2 issues but how come you cant block them? what does drol convert into that isnt being blocked by aromasin,ralox,novla

 

[bonelessvirgin]

Dont take propanolol before your workout its gonna drastically reduce perfornance. personally id rather use nebivolol

 

[Pharmascension]

yeah i dont plan to go above 250 test, jsut gonna blast tren and drol. I assumed nolva would take care of most drol e2 issues but how come you cant block them? what does drol convert into that isnt being blocked by aromasin,ralox,novla

It doesnt even convert into any form of estrogen, it can upregualte progestin and estrogen sensitivity and present such sides

 

[introvertedextrover]

Dont take propanolol before your workout its gonna drastically reduce perfornance. personally id rather use nebivolol

yeah i dont plan too, its gonna nuke my energy if i do.

It doesnt even convert into any form of estrogen, it can upregualte progestin and estrogen sensitivity and present such sides

gotcha, just gotta pray to ghandi then would i still benefit from taking 20mg nolva ed on cycle? or just extra stress

 

[Pharmascension]

Anadrol is one of the most unique AAS by the way its effects dont really work through the AR (why it works so well with tren which rapes it), it acts as EPO almost in a lot of ways

 

[Pharmascension]

yeah i dont plan too, its gonna nuke my energy if i do.

gotcha, just gotta pray to ghandi then would i still benefit from taking 20mg nolva ed on cycle? or just extra stress

Dont take the Nolva you will be fine with just 250 test and caber if needed, add raloxifine if necessary but your just gonna nuke your estrogen with the AI

 

[introvertedextrover]

Anadrol is one of the most unique AAS by the way its effects dont really work through the AR (why it works so well with tren which rapes it), it acts as EPO almost in a lot of ways

Yeah im also running it aswell since tren raped my iron stores last time and made me severely anemic, im still unsure how this happend in 6 weeks, i mean my diet was like 1500cals but i litreally had negative iron levels.

 

[introvertedextrover]

Dont take the Nolva you will be fine with just 250 test and caber if needed, add raloxifine if necessary but your just gonna nuke your estrogen with the AI

ok word yeah i dont plan to run an ai for this cycle i need as much e2 as possible for neuro protection and igf1 since im gonna run 8-12 ius hopefully 12 but china holidays pmo

 

[Pharmascension]

Yeah im also running it aswell since tren raped my iron stores last time and made me severely anemic, im still unsure how this happend in 6 weeks, i mean my diet was like 1500cals but i litreally had negative iron levels.

how tf did that happen do you not eat red meat?

 

[Pharmascension]

ok word yeah i dont plan to run an ai for this cycle i need as much e2 as possible for neuro protection and igf1 since im gonna run 8-12 ius hopefully 12 but china holidays pmo

perfect your cycle should play out wonderfully bro

 

[introvertedextrover]

how tf did that happen do you not eat red meat?

I genuinely had a valid ass diet, I was eating chicken mince rice all the basic shit, i guess it just wasnt enough food to keep up with 190 tren. Prepared this time with ferrograd and my iron stores being at a all time high.

perfect your cycle should play out wonderfully bro

yes i cannot wait i just need to get my bloods done and order in 1000ius and i can start, looking forward to the anadrol more than the tren tbh.

 

[Pharmascension]

I genuinely had a valid ass diet, I was eating chicken mince rice all the basic shit, i guess it just wasnt enough food to keep up with 190 tren. Prepared this time with ferrograd and my iron stores being at a all time high.

yes i cannot wait i just need to get my bloods done and order in 1000ius and i can start, looking forward to the anadrol more than the tren tbh.

im ngl high dose tren blows anadrol out of the water but it does give you a opiod like high so that is fun for sure. Idk I hate chicken and just eat red meat and fish all day so my iron is pretty high

 

[bonelessvirgin]

ok word yeah i dont plan to run an ai for this cycle i need as much e2 as possible for neuro protection and igf1 since im gonna run 8-12 ius hopefully 12 but china holidays pmo

estrogen outside of the physiological range is neurotoxic lol. E2 is important and crushing it will have severe side effects but so does having too much.

if its in the right ratio to androgens you might not get puffy nipples and stuff but anything more than like 70pg/ml is gonna be bad for ur brain, ur blood pressure, your prostate and a lot more.

i still wouldnt recommend an ai cause even though using an AI to manage serum e2 to bring you into the reference range is technically good e2 is also a paracrine hormone in your bones so the use of an AI will result in an increase of osteoclasts in your bones

 

[bonelessvirgin]

im ngl high dose tren blows anadrol out of the water but it does give you a opiod like high so that is fun for sure. Idk I hate chicken and just eat red meat and fish all day so my iron is pretty high

high dose tren is retarded. literally 0 benefit of going over 150mg

 

[Pharmascension]

high dose tren is retarded. literally 0 benefit of going over 150mg

There is but not for it's physical effect necessarily, The mental effects and cosmetic gain is something I really enjoy

 

[bonelessvirgin]

There is but not for it's physical effect necessarily, The mental effects and cosmetic gain is something I really enjoy

Brother the cosmetic effects on your physique purely come from the lack of cortisol. And the glucorticoid antagonism is maxxed out pretty early. sometimes at 50 sometimes at 100 some may need 150mg thats kinda individual

By increasing the dose of tren you mainly have changes in the anabolic androgenic dissociation which means RELATIVELY seen it becomes way more androgenic and less anabolic. That is not good especially because the main cosmetic concern of tren is it fucking wrecking your hair. Not to forget all the other nasty side effects

Just create androgen load by increasing your test take your 2,5mg of dut and run tren in very low doses to drastically improve side effect profile and reduce your chance of losing hair which we all dont want obviously

 

[Pharmascension]

Brother the cosmetic effects on your physique purely come from the lack of cortisol. And the glucorticoid antagonism is maxxed out pretty early. sometimes at 50 sometimes at 100 some may need 150mg thats kinda individual

By increasing the dose of tren you mainly have changes in the anabolic androgenic dissociation which means relatively seen it becomes way more androgenic and less anabolic. That is not good especially because the main cosmetic concern of tren is it fucking wrecking your hair.

Just create androgen load by increasing your test take your 2,5mg of dut and run tren in very low doses to drastically increase side effect profile and reduce your chance of losing hair which we all dont want obviously

Tren has never touched my hair, high dose test is shit and with low doses i dont even need to run dut just RU, and there is very much a difference is vascularity the higher I up my tren. The only reason tren is hair raping is when combined with some retarted ass 500 test dose

 

[Pharmascension]

Brother the cosmetic effects on your physique purely come from the lack of cortisol. And the glucorticoid antagonism is maxxed out pretty early. sometimes at 50 sometimes at 100 some may need 150mg thats kinda individual

By increasing the dose of tren you mainly have changes in the anabolic androgenic dissociation which means RELATIVELY seen it becomes way more androgenic and less anabolic. That is not good especially because the main cosmetic concern of tren is it fucking wrecking your hair. Not to forget all the other nasty side effects

Just create androgen load by increasing your test take your 2,5mg of dut and run tren in very low doses to drastically improve side effect profile and reduce your chance of losing hair which we all dont want obviously

I agreed with you anyway 50-70 is all you need for the glucocortocoid effects but saying there is not a significant difference in appearance on low dose vs high dose tren is very wrong

 

[bonelessvirgin]

Tren has never touched my hair, high dose test is shit and with low doses i dont even need to run dut just RU, and there is very much a difference is vascularity the higher I up my tren. The only reason tren is hair raping is when combined with some retarted ass 500 test dose

I respect your opinion but your just talking about yourself. youre lucky if you can handle high tren without shedding even on ru.

and yeah 500 test without anything is gonna wreck you but taking dut with it changes test from being one of the worst compounds for ur hair to pretty much the safest.

I love dut it saved my hair, has eliminated all acne and skin inflammation for me, made my nose 20% less wide and bulbous, is gonna prevent me from having an enlarged prostate later in life and its good for ur brain,

 

[bonelessvirgin]

I agreed with you anyway 50-70 is all you need for the glucocortocoid effects but saying there is not a significant difference in appearance on low dose vs high dose tren is very wrong

But how would you know though? You ever tried stacking a gram of test with 2,5mg of dut and like 80 tren?
im currently crusing on 250 test but thats gonna be my next stack

 

[Pharmascension]

I respect your opinion but your just talking about yourself. youre lucky if you can handle high tren without shedding even on ru.

and yeah 500 test without anything is gonna wreck you but taking dut with it changes test from being one of the worst compounds for ur hair to pretty much the safest.

I love dut it saved my hair, has eliminated all acne and skin inflammation for me, made my nose 20% less wide and bulbous, is gonna prevent me from having an enlarged prostate later in life and its good for ur brain,

that is good bro, I just would like to wait to hop on dht blockers until i can grow a beard Lol

 

[Pharmascension]

But how would you know though? You ever tried stacking a gram of test with 2,5mg of dut and like 80 tren?
im currently crusing on 250 test but thats gonna be my next stack

my plates are still open and i am cutting rn, I probably will try in the future as a experiment but it is not in the cards currently

 

[Pharmascension]

accutane gave me all the skin and nose reduction so i already benefit from that, but in reality high test cycles are only bad in my opinion if you are young. whatever works for you works

 

[bonelessvirgin]

my plates are still open and i am cutting rn, I probably will try in the future as a experiment but it is not in the cards currently

oh yeah of course that makes the whole situation way more complicated.
Honestly if i were you i would just be focused on height.

 

[Pharmascension]

oh yeah of course that makes the whole situation way more complicated.
Honestly if i were you i would just be focused on height.

yeah i have an up to 18ius for prolonged periods of time and grew a inch from that

 

[bonelessvirgin]

yeah i have an up to 18ius for prolonged periods of time and grew a inch from that

I dont know how tall you are but what im saying is you should really just stick to like 250 test and like reallly tightly manage your e2 like you can grow soo much longer.
Look at the people with aromatase deficencies. Yes they have osteoporosis and other problems as they have undetectable e2 but they also grow until they are 30 sometimes. Height really is law. ignore what i said if youre already 6ft4+

 

[Pharmascension]

I dont know how tall you are but what im saying is you should really just stick to like 250 test and like reallly tightly manage your e2 like you can grow soo much longer.
Look at the people with aromatase deficencies. Yes they have osteoporosis and other problems as they have undetectable e2 but they also grow until they are 30 sometimes. Height really is law. ignore what i said if youre already 6ft4+

that is exactly what i do and preach to people, i personally run 210 test pinned daily. 6'2 as of currently

 

[bonelessvirgin]

that is exactly what i do and preach to people, i personally run 210 test pinned daily. 6'2 as of currently

Great man. I hope u didnt fall for clav spreading misinformation that u get more stable levels from propionate and u use enanthate?

 

[Pharmascension]

Great man. I hope u didnt fall for clav spreading misinformation that u get more stable levels from propionate and u use enanthate?

haha i dont get pharma knowledge from clav bro im very informed on pharmacology, I do use prop but not because of stability I just prefer shorter esters for every compound because they help me sleep better and be more productive while working in the morning with the huge spike.

 

[Pharmascension]

i did research for 5 years before hopping on anything even before i knew what LM was

 

[bonelessvirgin]

haha i dont get pharma knowledge from clav bro im very informed on pharmacology, I do use prop but not because of stability I just prefer shorter esters for every compound because they help me sleep better and be more productive while working in the morning with the huge spike.

i did research for 5 years before hopping on anything even before i knew what LM was

Alright Good stuff and Thats reasonable just when really trying to dial in every detail for height, higher peaks in test are still gonna result in peaks in e2. They may be small and probably not detrimental and i totally get your point still something to have in mind