Where is there so much infighting among arab countries?

[Jason Voorhees]

Title. I know about the Sunni vs Shia divide and the arab spring fallout but why exactly do these countries hate each other so much and so dead set on destroying each other.

@arabcelxxx @TheBiggestIncelEver

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@IncelJihadist @axttt_ @negativetiltedheart @Shahnameh @Narcissus🥀

 

[Deleted member 109485]

it’s americas fault

 

[IncelJihadist]

Title. I know about the Sunni vs Shia divide and the arab spring fallout but why exactly do these countries hate each other so much and so dead set on destroying each other.

@arabcelxxx @TheBiggestIncelEver

Idk nigga im neither arab or muslim

 

[Patrick Star]

 

[Swarthy Knight]

They are 3rd among the infighting rankings. Just behind curries and arguably gooks

 

[Mosh12]

human nature bro

 

[HeyAnon439]

America. Everything that is wrong with the middle east is caused by the US government

 

[arabcelxxx]

Title. I know about the Sunni vs Shia divide and the arab spring fallout but why exactly do these countries hate each other so much and so dead set on destroying each other.

@arabcelxxx @TheBiggestIncelEver

These days its cause of palestine, saudi, eygpt and dubai can end the war but dont want to

 

[silently_said]

The power vacuum that ensued as a result of the Ottoman collapse, causing things like Sykes-Picot

 

[Alucard69]

The power vacuum that ensued as a result of the Ottoman collapse, causing things like Sykes-Picot

You sound smart

 

[Sub5kang]

Title. I know about the Sunni vs Shia divide and the arab spring fallout but why exactly do these countries hate each other so much and so dead set on destroying each other.

@arabcelxxx @TheBiggestIncelEver

Ffs forget about among the countries look at the country individually, they hate themselves it's civil war everywhere

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The power vacuum that ensued as a result of the Ottoman collapse, causing things like Sykes-Picot

That is because of the british. Classic englishman border conflict

 

[TheBiggestIncelEver]

Title. I know about the Sunni vs Shia divide and the arab spring fallout but why exactly do these countries hate each other so much and so dead set on destroying each other.

@arabcelxxx @TheBiggestIncelEver

Jews and America but Jews control America

 

[The Grinch]

Do they? I don’t think they hate each other, even tough it can look like this from the outside, it’s more like there‘s some competition based on tribal thinking and sometimes it’s based on differences between religious groups, but that isn’t the same as hatred, when it comes to a common enemy, they all leave their "beef‘s“ aside become friends immediately.

 

[Mosh12]

Do they? I don’t think they hate each other, even tough it can look like this from the outside, it’s more like there‘s some competition based on tribal thinking, but that isn’t the same as hatred, when it comes to a common enemy, they all leave their "beef‘s“ aside become friends immediately.

There’s a popular Arab saying :

I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world (Arab Proverb)​

Describes what you’ve said

 

[The Grinch]

There’s a popular Arab saying :

I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world (Arab Proverb)​

Describes what you’ve said

That’s 100% true, i grew up with arab friends, i know a lot about their world and i admire them

 

[notalive]

Because women aren't allowed to show their ankles

 

[MaghrebGator]

-The concept of nation-state does not befit the muslim world and it's nature. I recommend to watch the podcast episode "Wael Hallaq, Thmanyah", which is in arabic but you can put the subtitles on it in english. I'll link it below.

-Betrayal by many arab tribes of the Ottoman Caliphate during World War 1 and it's collapse. Many of it was justified on the lack of religiosity the empire had taken (Which was true due to the ascendance of the Young Turks which were secular european minded)

-The border drawing that was done by the colonizers when they left the land, mainly France and Britain, and the imposition of the nation state.

-Land with the most important resources in the world in the highest quantities, therefore the land which is going to be disputed the most by the dominating powers

-Promotion to leadership of extremely unpopular political ideologies for the region that the vast majority of citizens despise, like for example Baathism (The fall of Assad is the end of Baathism) and other secular regimes. These regimes are very far from the population mindsetwise, which makes whoever joins them be literal sociopaths in the islamic world context (Sociopathy being the fact of not having a regard for your social common rules), and therefore they feel their power always threathened so they create police and military states in which they cross completely any balance of dealing with dissent/trying to mantain some local support, in a heavily biased favour of the former due to uncontrollable fear of losing power as i mentioned, as a defense mechanism. The most loved regimes were always muslims who financed muslim causes and mantained a more or less muslim image, be it Saudi with Faisal, Qatar currently, etc

-Everytime a leader did something to challenge the main foreign powers he was whacked or couped, unless he had previously informed them of his move and negotiated something in exchange, or was aligned with a different main power that could sustain him. King Faisal (Perhaps the most loved arab ruler in the last 100 years) stopped oil production in 1973 due to the war with Israel as support for the Egyptians, few years later he was whacked by a family member of his who had ties with the US. Gadaffi spoke about a common african currency, he was whacked. Saddam felt betrayed after the first Gulf War and the US intervention. Mohamed Morsi was couped after barely a year in power by the US controlled and funded egyptian military, mainly because he opened the borders with Gaza.

An example of the latter would be the Assad regime, which was artifically pumped by Russia and more or less accepted by US/Israel due to him promising not attacking Israel, and never challenged the status quo as long as they allowed him to stay in power, and all he would do is to allow Iran to supply their militias in Lebanon, which was not that big of a deal in comparison of any different scenario. He was allowed to have chemical weapons, an air force, etc, as long as he only used them against his population. Just 2 days without him in power had led to the complete destruction of the Syrian air force in 300 israeli raids, because they knew the deal was off.

-Israel. Lots of the bad things that happened to the Middle East can be traced back to Israel, plain and simple. It's the main reason. You have the richest people on earth controlling the most influential and rich nation and military in the world (United States), the media, etc, and their little vacation resort and romantic whim is a place in the levant where you have a sun all year, beautiful beaches, and they will not lose anything themselves by starting and financing wars while staging coups because they live thousands of miles away and if anything goes wrong they can go back to their real countries (90% of Israeli citizens are double nationals), and they have an extra which is all that religious romanticism. It's a very tempting idea for them, they have much to gain and very little to lose in their mind.

-Tribalism in some countries. There is a very loved retired Kuwaiti politician who was almost at the top of his country called Abdullah Al Nafisi, and he said some years ago in an interview that many gulf countries still rule like if they were dealing with the tribe instead of a nation, and that if one ruler of a nation feels offended by another during a meeting, he will try to hurt him using the entire nation as if it were throwing a tantrum. It's the involvement of the personal into state politics and engaging millions of people's due to it. An example of this would be the blockade to Qatar in 2017, in which mainly the UAE and Saudi tried to siege them and couped them due to personal (And also political beefs)

-Lack of coordination and understanding of priorities and routes in regards to external policies, this is noticeable in Iran and Saudi for example. Iran, if instead of straight throwing a war and trying to export the revolution against Saddam in the 80s (It was more their fault than the other way around), had they tried a more pacific approach, they would probably be the main power in the region. That plus their interference in favour of Bashar in Syria (Which was contraproductive ideologically because although they are not friends, they had more in common with the opposition than Bashar himself), plus their heavy meddling in Iraq which made Saudi feel threathened plus their Persian gulf border disputes with UAE, etc. If instead they had took an approach like Turkey while sitting on all tables, they would probably have not been rivalred by so many countries in the region.

Another example is Saudi and the UAE. For years, Saudi and UAE financed muslim causes in the region but at the same time they rivalred the Muslim Brotherhood due to internal disputes they had, a group which was among the most popular in the region and with whom they had much more in common than the secularists they financed to confront them like Mubarak in Egypt, Ben Ali in Tunisia, Mahmoud Abbas in Palestine, etc. Now, after 2015, Saudi has ditched completely any muslim cause in favour of secularism, but at the same time their population is very practicing. It's a clear lack of long term vision. Look for example at Assad, the saudis and UAE rivalred him for more than a decade and financed rivalring factions due to his acceptance of iranian meddling, but after all that time they normalized with him, accepted him in the arab league (Due to him being anti muslim) even though he was still in bed with Iran, etc, and suddenly a few months later he lost power. It's a constant contradiction and lack of initiative and long term vision as i mentioned

Here the video i said

 

[swaggyp1]

Muslims are supposed to be 1 ummah

A Muslim should never need armor around another Muslim

 

[distance decay]

Isnt everywhere like this though?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Isnt everywhere like this though?

Yes tribalism in natural but arabs seem to be out of the way to ruin things for their neighbors even at the cost of themselves

 

[Deleted member 29041]

We dont hate each other. Its just small corrupt leaders that are controlling majority with help of foreigner meddlers and people are upset because they failed to develop the country or are treating them like shit. Assad was controlling whole country and the only reason his regime was alive is because of iran and Russia meddling. Only reason Iraq corrupt elite are alive is because of Iran and Usa meddling. The only reason Lebanon elite are alive is because of Saudi-arabia, Iran and Usa meddling.

The meddlers are like Usa Lobby. They give them arms and money and in exchange they do thinks they want them to do even if its bad for our countries. For example in Iraq we are forced to buy Iranians good even if they fucking sucks. In other side Usa wants us to stop buying Iranian goods and instead to invest in West so they can build electricity to our country. Its constant battle between Pro Iran and Pro America and our country is taking heavy blow from these shit. We dont have independence.. We are told by the meddlers what to do.