Which comes first height or frame?

[slayerToBe]

Does height grow first before frame in puberty, or is it the other way around? Or do they grow in increments independently of each other

 

[Artemis]

Does height grow first before frame in puberty, or is it the other way around? Or do they grow in increments independently of each other

I think they are dependent but not much.

The taller you are, the larger shoulders you will have by default.

However, the variation of shoulder width per height is too large. Means you can have 22 inch bideltoid on a 5'10 man sometimes, while the majority of 6'5+ men will have the bideltoid 21 inch...

 

[Brootal]

height

 

[orangomango2003]

height comes first most of the time because the growth spurt is influenced mainly by growth hormone and frame will keep growing after the growth spurt because of increased testosterone. most males get their growth spurt at 15/16 and for a couple years after that frame will continue to grow which includes shoulder width because of the increased amount of testosterone. the same is true for women because most girls at 14 years old are already at their final height but don't have wide hips yet.

 

[slayerToBe]

height comes first most of the time because the growth spurt is influenced mainly by growth hormone and frame will keep growing after the growth spurt because of increased testosterone. most males get their growth spurt at 15/16 and for a couple years after that frame will continue to grow which includes shoulder width because of the increased amount of testosterone. the same is true for women because most girls at 14 years old are already at their final height but don't have wide hips yet.

So if my frame is growing, then I will not get taller?

 

[Jhon Smith]

I have non of them

 

[Deleted member 29670]

Height undoubtedly, it’s funny that there’s people who think the smaller guy with a big frame can mog a tall lanklet, that’s not the case unless the height difference is not that much. 5’6 roided up frame goblin will still look like a kid next to a 6’3+ twig

 

[klamus]

They Are The same. Untrained 6'3 is bigger than untrained 5'11.

 

[orangomango2003]

So if my frame is growing, then I will not get taller?

no not necessarily. you grow taller while your frame grows. boys that are 15 have bigger frames than boys who are 12. it's just that most of the times height growth stops earlier than frame growth.

your feet, legs and arms stop growing sooner (around 15-19) but your frame can still grow into your 20's

(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33380970/)
"at ages 20 to 25 years, growth was 1.7 mm/year"

(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21315303/)
"No clavicle showed complete fusion until the age of 22 years"

It really depends on your genetics and other environmental factors (for example: late bloomer vs early bloomer) so you can't really generalize and say that frame stops growing at a certain age since it's different for every person. all i can say is that there's still hope to get a wider frame if you gymmax and have sufficient amounts of HGH.

Most research has stated that the clavicle continues to grow until at least 22 and can continue to grow during your early 30's but don't count on the latter since it's very rare and the growth will be minimal.

 

[Donkeyballs]

Of course height and frame are always increasing if you are still developing.
However height growth is more significant and prevalent before frame growth occurs and it also ends sooner than frame growth.

Clavicles for example, stop growing around 23-25. But the growth rate does decrease at the later stages.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...=In male patients, at ages,year, or 1.1%/year.

male patients, at ages 12 to 15 years, the clavicular growth was 4.9 mm/year, or 4%/year; at ages 16 to 19 years, growth was 3.2 mm/year, or 2.4%/year; and at ages 20 to 25 years, growth was 1.7 mm/year, or 1.1%/year.