Which european country has similar wages and demand for tech jobs as the U.S

[Jason Voorhees]

Title. @imontheloose

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@deadstock

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Netherlands good? @Gengar @MoggerGaston

 

[Marsiere214]

Literally none most Euro countries are either tourist resorts without any industry or 50% tax nations with stagnant shit wages compared to the US.

 

[Gengar]

Netherlands good? @Gengar @MoggerGaston

I have no idea, but I did meet two Indians on the train (one was actually from Tamil Nadu, the other from Bihar) last year and they were doing tech jobs. Personally I'm not well-versed in the options and whatnot as it's not my field of interest.

 

[imontheloose]

Title. @imontheloose

The US salary numeric is a gimmick as far as I’m concerned. You have to be part of the top to benefit even remotely.

 

[Marsiere214]

The US salary numeric is a gimmick as far as I’m concerned. You have to be part of the top to benefit even remotely.

Yeah right 50k for a dentist in the UK while also paying 50% taxes is way better than 200k - 27% tax.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The US salary numeric is a gimmick as far as I’m concerned. You have to be part of the top to benefit even remotely.

Disagree. The wages are way higher than U.S countries from what I've seen

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Yeah right 50k for a dentist in the UK while also paying 50% taxes is way better than 200k - 27% tax.

Forget dentist nigga. Ive even seen plumbers and truck drivers making a bank in the U.S

 

[Saint Casanova]

The US salary numeric is a gimmick as far as I’m concerned. You have to be part of the top to benefit even remotely.

Most careers that require a decent education do pay much better even adjusted to our benefits, £, and things like rent.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Yeah right 50k for a dentist in the UK while also paying 50% taxes is way better than 200k - 27% tax.

Most dentists here work with NHS even if they do private work.

You’ll have to be a private Ortho or so to make good money as a dentist here.

 

[imontheloose]

Yeah right 50k for a dentist in the UK while also paying 50% taxes is way better than 200k - 27% tax.

Dentists are part of the top. The US is a country which is only amazing if you’re part of the top.

 

[widdi]

I’ve heard that Estonia is really good (not in absolute terms but relative to the locals)

 

[imontheloose]

Disagree. The wages are way higher than U.S countries from what I've seen

Most careers that require a decent education do pay much better even adjusted to our benefits, £, and things like rent.

You can go there if you want. I’m not telling you not to!

 

[Saint Casanova]

You can go there if you want. I’m not telling you not to!

Nearly impossible now sadly unless you’re from a specific place

 

[Jason Voorhees]

You can go there if you want. I’m not telling you not to!

H1-B

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Dentists are part of the top. The US is a country which is only amazing if you’re part of the top.

Do you consider truck drivers and plumbers to be part of the top too?

 

[imontheloose]

H1-B

Nigga sent me his laptop passcode.

 

[imontheloose]

Do you consider truck drivers and plumbers to be part of the top too?

No.

 

[imontheloose]

Nearly impossible now sadly unless you’re from a specific place

Wish I was an LA nepo baby pump and dumping models tbh.

 

[Marsiere214]

Dentists are part of the top. The US is a country which is only amazing if you’re part of the top.

I work as a surgical tech which is a certificate program and I make 80k base.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

No.

Taxes

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Nigga sent me his laptop passcode.

It's lottery based VISA system that fucks everyone over look it up

 

[Marsiere214]

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Taxes

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Here’s the plumbers in my state. Jfl turbo mog europoor salaries.

 

[imontheloose]

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Taxes

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There is more to it than what you see on paper. But nonetheless, if you like that number, by all means head over to the US.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

There is more to it than what you see on paper. But nonetheless, if you like that number, by all means head over to the US.

No even I'm saying there's more to it than numbers. U.S has it's problems and difficulties which is why people go to Europe but saying u.s isnt ideal for working professionals with the most potential for growth and highest wages is just plain wrong

 

[imontheloose]

No even I'm saying there's more to it than numbers. U.S has it's problems and difficulties which is why people go to Europe but saying u.s isnt ideal for working professionals with the most potential for growth and highest wages is just plain wrong

I haven’t said it isn’t ideal for those at the top that have a blessing. That’s the point of the US. It’s a zero-sum game. You either win or lose. If you’re at the top, you win.

 

[laworg]

Netherlands good? @Gengar @MoggerGaston

Yes

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Yes

Really? Elab

 

[laworg]

Really? Elab

15% increase in positions predicted in 2025 expected salaries range from 70-124k and due to alot of people who didnt specialise in anyrhing the pay and demand for people who acctually picked a niche like software development cybersec etc get a very good position also eindhoven is aiming to add 50k high tech workers in the next few years “immigrants included” also get a 30% tax deduction

 

[Chadeep]

Switzerland

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@deadstock

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@Beastimmung @deadstock @menas say something bros

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Switzerland

Isn’t it hard to get a job there

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Employed.org

 

[Chadeep]

Isn’t it hard to get a job there

Soham Parekh

 

[Swarthy Knight]

Chatgpt said Germany is up there, but not sure

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Chatgpt said Germany is up there, but not sure

Chatgpt is full of larp

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Chatgpt said Germany is up there, but not sure

Chatgpt is full of larp

I was considering Germany too since I can speak German up to b2 level @deadstock

 

[ltn_looksminner]

I was considering Germany too since I can speak German up to b2 level @deadstock

Ngl we need more posts like this instead of some braindead posts i see so often

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Ngl we need more posts like this instead of some braindead posts i see so often

All my threads are good

 

[Deleted member 173304]

Which european country has similar wages and demand for tech jobs as the U.S

ChatGPT said:​

Several European countries have strong tech sectors with wages and demand that closely approach those in the U.S., though typically not matching them entirely due to currency differences, taxation, and cost of living. The most comparable countries are:

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Germany​

• Wages: Among the highest in Europe for tech roles (though lower than U.S. equivalents).
  • Senior Software Engineer: €70,000–€100,000/year
• Demand: Very high, especially in Berlin, Munich, Frankfurt.
• Strengths: Fintech, automotive tech, AI, enterprise software.
• Notes: Germany has a shortage of skilled tech workers and a strong visa process (Blue Card).

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Netherlands​

• Wages: Competitive in Europe; slightly behind Germany but with lower taxes for expats.
  • Senior Dev: €60,000–€90,000/year
• Demand: High, especially in Amsterdam and Eindhoven.
• Strengths: SaaS, e-commerce, fintech, AI.
• Notes: English is widely spoken, and the 30% ruling for expats makes net salary quite attractive.

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Ireland​

• Wages: High, especially in Dublin where many U.S. tech companies have European HQs.
  • Senior Dev: €70,000–€110,000/year
• Demand: Very high due to presence of Google, Meta, Apple, Microsoft, etc.
• Strengths: Cloud computing, cybersecurity, big tech.
• Notes: Taxation is moderate; cost of living is high in Dublin.

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Switzerland​

• Wages: Among the highest in the world, sometimes matching or exceeding U.S. salaries.
  • Senior Dev: CHF 100,000–140,000/year (~$110,000–$150,000 USD)
• Demand: Steady and high, particularly in Zurich, Geneva.
• Strengths: Fintech, medtech, cryptography, robotics.
• Notes: High cost of living, but also high quality of life. Strict visa processes.

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Sweden​

• Wages: Slightly below Germany/Netherlands, but competitive.
  • Senior Dev: €55,000–€85,000/year
• Demand: Good, particularly in Stockholm and Gothenburg.
• Strengths: Clean tech, gaming, AI, telecom.
• Notes: Progressive work culture and high quality of life; taxes are higher but benefits are strong.

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Summary Table​

Country	Wage Level (vs US)	Tech Demand	Notable for
Switzerland	Almost Equal	High	Fintech, crypto, medtech
Germany	Slightly Lower	High	AI, enterprise software
Ireland	High	High	Big Tech HQs
Netherlands	Slightly Lower	High	SaaS, e-commerce, expat-friendly
Sweden	Moderate	Medium	Gaming, telecom, progressive culture

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Conclusion​

If you're looking for U.S.-like wages and strong tech demand, Switzerland and Ireland are your best bets in Europe. Germany and the Netherlands are strong contenders as well, especially considering job availability and work-life balance.
Would you like a comparison factoring in cost of living or visa/work permit ease?

You said:​

Compare the amount of jobs quantitatively

ChatGPT said:​

Here’s a more quantitative comparison of tech job markets in selected European countries vs. the U.S.:

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United States​

• ~32,000 open tech jobs listed on one snapshot (~November 2024), topping all countries reddit.com+8relocate.me+8medium.com+8reddit.com+3reddit.com+3reddit.com+3.
• The U.S. HR data reflects high ongoing demand across backend, full-stack, cloud, etc.

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Germany​

• Software engineers employed (2022): ~304,000 (social-security jobs) arbeitnow.com.
• Total developers estimated: up to ~901,000 in Europe, with Germany leading .
• Open IT roles (2023): ~124,000 vacancies; Bitkom projects a talent gap of 130,000 by 2025 reddit.com+2digitaldefynd.com+2relayto.com+2.
• Job postings snapshot (Oct–Nov 2024): ~1,800 open roles on one English-based dataset reddit.com+2reddit.com+2reddit.com+2.

Summary: Germany has ~900k developers, ~100k+ open roles, with 1–2k job postings visible in English listings.

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Ireland​

• ICT sector employees: ~37,000 wetal.com+13en.wikipedia.org+13relayto.com+13.
• Software-specific: ~24,000 directly in software reddit.com+7en.wikipedia.org+7medium.com+7.
• Silicon Docks: ~7,000 tech workers at major EU-headquarter area arbeitnow.com+10en.wikipedia.org+10en.wikipedia.org+10.
• Job postings snapshot: ~772 open roles in English listings reddit.com+4reddit.com+4reddit.com+4.

Summary: Ireland’s core software workforce is ~24k–37k, with 700–800 English-listing job openings.

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Netherlands​

• Developers in Netherlands: ~320,000 software-developer-india.com+4aster.cloud+4franziska-hauck.medium.com+4.
• Amsterdam tech hub: accounts for ~4% of European startup workforce; average tech salary ~$54k growthbusiness.co.uk.
• English-language job postings: Netherlands didn’t appear in top 20 English-posted countries, so likely under ~800 openings in those listings.

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Switzerland & Sweden​

• These weren’t part of the English-source datasets, so exact counts aren’t available, but both have sizable tech industries (esp. Switzerland ~100k+ developers) and substantial open roles—though still much smaller volume than Germany.

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Comparative Snapshot​

Country	Total Devs ●	Open Tech Vacancies (All listings)	English-listing Job Postings*
United States	~5–6 million	tens of thousands	~32,000
Germany	900,000	~124,000 unfilled IT roles	~1,800
Netherlands	320,000	tens of thousands	<800
Ireland	24,000–37,000	thousands in ICT roles	~772
Switzerland	~100,000+ (est.)	several thousands	—
Sweden	~179,000	several thousands	—

* English-listing jobs refers to snapshots from platforms like Reddit’s data aster.cloudarbeitnow.comdigitaldefynd.comthetimes.co.uk+2en.wikipedia.org+2theguardian.com+2.

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Key Insights​

• The U.S. dominates in sheer scale (millions of devs; ~30k+ open jobs in one snapshot).
• Germany leads Europe with nearly 1 million developers, ~124k unfilled IT roles, and ~1–2k English postings.
• Netherlands and Sweden have significant pools (~320k & ~179k respectively) but fewer openings than Germany.
• Ireland is much smaller (~25–37k devs) but remains a vibrant tech hub, especially in Dublin—still with fewer total roles.

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Conclusion​

If you're looking for European markets with substantial tech demand closest to U.S. volume, Germany is the standout: large developer base + high vacancy rates. The Netherlands, Switzerland, and Sweden also have strong markets but are more modest in total size. Ireland offers fewer jobs numerically, though they tend to be highly concentrated in Dublin with attractive wages.
Let me know if you'd like breakdowns by specific roles (e.g., AI/ML, DevOps), cost of living comparisons, or growth trends!

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[kurd]

Netherlands good? @Gengar @MoggerGaston

no

 

[deadstock]

@Beastimmung @deadstock @menas say something bros

Idk i'm neet

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@deadstock

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Sorry to say this but other than Ireland (Dublin) and NTL Europe is a dead zone for tech

 

[Beastimmung]

Germany I guess but taxes are brutal 50%+

 

[Humbert Humbert]

Do you consider truck drivers and plumbers to be part of the top too?

Lumpen bourgeois

 

[menas]

@deadstock

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You are working for the government atp, the world is doomed

US is the only option if u want to get rich by wageslaving (and yes if you don't have your own company no matter what it is wageslaving, j*bs are forced to people by joos)

 

[qazw]

Title. @imontheloose

USA is far ahead of Europe in terms of wages. London is probably the best spot in Europe for wages but even then its going to be like half the amount of money you’d be getting in USA.

Take a look at the difference between r/FIRE and r/FIREUK. The top earners in USA outpace the top earners in UK by a huge amount, in wealth terms

 

[MoggerGaston]

Netherlands good? @Gengar @MoggerGaston

its shit

 

[AustrianMogger]

Title. @imontheloose

Wages?
Switzerland maybe. Rest you get paid much less then us