Nah its whites brah, swimmers have the boradest shoulders and clavicles and there mostly white, same with powerlifting and strongman
Pretty sure either Slavs or west africans
Nah its germanics and slavs because swimmers
Yeah I agree, I said west Africans because when people think of black people being good at sports they are thinking of west Africans, because north, east, and South Africans are no where near as physically capable as west africans, and also they produce the most basketball players which all have good frames
Africans are manlets in africa.
Hes talking about the dinkas who tbf are the eame height as the dutch but most of them are incredibly skinny and look brittle as fuck
South Sudan.
holy fucking shit
this frame is just ropefuel in a pic
And i knew it, using 18th century pseudoscience that relied more on stereotypes and fearmongering than any sort of science
also i too can do the same cherrypicking
I was talking about the dinkas
First of all that’s not even close to manlet and second of all they are even shorter average is 5’7
Nigger its measured medical data from the 1900sAnd i knew it, using 18th century pseudoscience that relied more on stereotypes and fearmongering than any sort of science
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, what kind of cope is this? You can pull up the latest US national health census data and it will show the same thing
WIde shoulders are meaningless if you have the waist of Spongebob, that faggot has no V-taperAnd i knew it, using 18th century pseudoscience that relied more on stereotypes and fearmongering than any sort of science
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The average black in Africa survives on less than 10 dollars a day, is this really a fair comparison? Beside even in Africa , nogs still clavicle mogs whites in any direct comparisons. All the medical data spanning over a century says this same thing about them having wider clavicals.Male Linear Anthropometrics of Selected Nigerian Ethnicities: A Cross - Sectional Analysis
Introduction: This study aims at evaluating selected linear anthropometrics of three Nigerian ethnic groups to provide baseline data for the creation of 3D Negroid anatomic models. Methods: The research design was a cross-sectional design. The sampling technique was multistage proportionate...www.forensicscijournal.com
Study shows nigerians have 41cm shoulder berth or 16 inches
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Americans and europeans have it wider
Ok fair, but your shit says its from cuba where the whites would be meds lol who obviously have smaller shoulders, my point was germanics and slavs jflNigger its measured medical data from the 1900s
I dont use black americans because they have white dna which is why im using pure africans, and also even with that and 0.6cm is what were talking about? Thats basically nothing jfl and this would also include meds who would bring down the average for whites
thats saying blacks have more triangular indexes which means they have a wider shoulder relative to their waists, i never argued that, my argument is that whites have wider shoulders and clavicles naturally which i found a study showing this here
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Ive found no study saying theyre 5ft9 in avg, it mostly says theyre around 6ft avg. Joe Fazer made a vid there and said himself the people he saw in South Sudan were taller than ppl he saw in Netherlands( which is supposed to be the tallest white country)
It doesn't matter. Tons of data from American whites anyways
Nigga, that's what wider clavicles are, It's always relative to your overall size. That's what actually matters. No one cares about 44cm clavs on someone who is 6'9 feet tall or have hips the size of a bus. Everything about them is bigger so it doesn't matter nor look impressive anyways
See above. The south africans are overall smaller, if you scaled them up to the size of a white south african. They would have wider clavs. See post with Blacks and whites in America, similar height, but blacks have wider shouldersSexual dimorphism and ancestral variation in the pectoral and pelvic girdles of modern humans - PubMed
Discussions of the evolution of sexual dimorphism in torso shape and the pectoral region assume that this dimorphism exists independently of body size. We test this assumption in two human populations and further examine what is needed to understand sexual dimorphism in the pectoral region...
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Thats just youtuber sensationalism, studies put them at the same height as the dutch who themselves are below the balkan people like the dinaric people who are like 6'1
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
That guy looks like a kid, still needs a couple years.
Swimming is not only about clavicles dude. Let me give you the example of Michael Phelps, he has the torso of a giant but with the legs lenght of a 5ft6 man and ankles perfectly designed for swimming. It combines different genetical factors that are so much deeper
theres no balkan country with an avg height over 6ft1 btwThats just youtuber sensationalism, studies put them at the same height as the dutch who themselves are below the balkan people like the dinaric people who are like 6'1
[Average height of adolescents in the Dinaric Alps] - PubMed
This study contributes to an update of average heights among European populations. Our investigation covering 2705 boys and 2842 girls aged 17 years, shows that, contrary to the general belief, adolescents of the Dinaric Alps are, on average, the tallest in Europe. With an average height of...
Shows they have the same width as black americans in the health survey and wider than africans by a bit
What data? Most data shows africans have slightly smaller shoulders than whites
We’re talking about absolute measurements, not proportions. A wider clavicle in centimeters is still wider regardless of height, so overall body size doesn’t invalidate the measurement
That makes zero sense, body parts dont just linearly scale like that jfl, a tall guy isnt going to magically have wider clavicles than a guy whos smaller jfl, plus even in the study i used they were at similar heights like 169 vs 173cm jfl, whites in south africa have wider clavicles period
I'm not denying theres some of them who might have wide clavicles, but you can literally see photogrpahs of them and they all look skinny as hell and small ass clavicles with long skinny ass legsThat guy looks like a kid, still needs a couple years.
South Sudanese are often Leanmaxxed as hell, 6ft+, long legs, and wide shoulders. Hands down some of the most naturally mogger-esque physiques. Just look at the frame of this random African with some nazi photographer in South Sudan. Nigger has never done a single lateral raise in his life
this is a specific tribe in the balkans, same as the dinkas in south sudan if were gonna do comparisons
Nigger you are still comparing stunted malnourished Africans to Whites from developed countries? What is this cope?
The body tends to scale linearly. Why else would South Africans have wider shoulder compared to their overall vs whites but still have still have smaller values? What do you expect to happen if the were the same size as the whites, you think they'd stay only grow vertically?
Tbf they are very lean, low body fat, and never trained. Most non Africans with the same level of leaness as them look like narrow-shouldered rectangles whereas these guys often have wide well defined shoulders at the same leanness
Dinkas are like 50% of the population
. And the other tribes are all tall as shit too
Theyre about only 5 million people which is basically the same as the dinaric alps and the surrounding countries are also tall too in the balkans like serbians and croatsDinkas are like 50% of the population
Per capita
You literally say africans have wider shoulders and then when i present you proof they arent, this is the counter argument i get?
Again black americans which are mixed with whites and even in your own study, the differences are often less than a cm which is basically nothing, and in the 3rd graph betqeen 20 to 29 whites and blacks difference is literally 0.3cm, basically nothing and also why does the black one go up at 30 to 39 but down for the rest? I call sus on that
On black americans, we are talking only in terms of non mixed populations and even then the difference is extremely minimal like less than a cm
what? nothing shows this other than blacks having an better index which is due to smaller waists not wider shoulders which gives off a better v taper jfl, your reading your own study wrong
I did the maths for you, here it is
Not even going to address this cherrypicking, but these people have smaller clavicles abd shoulders in almost every pic i see of them
Are you blind or something faggot? Do you not see the loads of data I dropped in the thread? So far you haven't said anything to them other than cope about it being African Americans and drop measurements taken from third world countries where the people are overall smaller and less developed(albeit still having proportionately wider shoulders anyways lol) and trying to compare that to developed ones as if its some kind of even comparison. Why are you even comparing values across studies anyways? Do you not know what inter-observer error is?
>But they're miiiiixed!!
Bullshit AI screencap. Nigger probably also gave it a bullshit prompt. Blacks already had proportionately wider shoulders for their size, just imagine if they were the same size as the white
bhai he isn't arguing about ratios but absolute clavicle lenght.
Are you blind or something faggot? Do you not see the loads of data I dropped in the thread? So far you haven't said anything to them other than cope about it being African Americans and drop measurements taken from third world countries where the people are overall smaller and less developed(albeit still having proportionately wider shoulders anyways lol) and trying to compare that to developed ones as if its some kind of even comparison. Why are you even comparing values across studies anyways? Do you not know what inter-observer error is?
If we are going to cherry pick single ethnicity studies than here. Swedish paper, taller average height than all the African ones and even the Americans. Fucking framelets, didn't even crack 40cm
>But they're miiiiixed!!
Yeah but no, that excuse only works if they had narrower shoulders than pure whites, albeit closer to them than full Africans are. Then you could argue white DNA is a likely cause. The 18% European DNA in African Americans isn't some magic potion that ironically makes them have wider shoulders than full blown whites every single time. You should probably learn how genetics work before saying something retarded like this again OP. If anything the white ancestry is nerfing their shoulders
See above, the cope you are using makes no sense.
Nigger the clavicle bone in blacks is literally longer wtf are you yapping about?
As for black South Africans, proportionately speaking, have wider shoulders relative to their size, and a smaller waist and narrower hips. Wider shoulder + smaller hips/small waist = V-taper. I thought this was supposed to be basic looksmax knowledge?
Bullshit AI screencap. Nigger probably also gave it a bullshit prompt. Blacks already had proportionately wider shoulders for their size, just imagine if they were the same size as the white
>Muh cherry-pick.
Nilotes having wide shoulders was a common observation made by European ethnographers in the 1900s
Now how about you just post a study measuring both blacks and whites directly that have the whites with wider clavs bro?
You don't understand. He is hyper focused on this one South African study where blacks had smaller length(they were smaller in all measurements so the point is moot), and ignoring the fact that blacks in developed countries have actual absolute longer clavicle lengths than whites. He is coping by bring up white DNA as a cause. But that doesn't make sense otherwise why would pure whites have smaller clavicles?
Idk, reverse image says it is from South Sudan, so maybe Dinka or something
Nigger
ok i get that.
Wide clavicles create more bodily surface area so they would be advantageous I assume.
no wider clavicles need more muscle around them for support making them have lesser surface area after dividing by the additional mass.
